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Trump - Make America Great Again!

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I'd also be for ending automatic citizenship to babies born to illegal status entrants to the United States.
To me, the current policy makes no sense.

A lot of solutions to US issues seem more common sense than partisan (liberal/conservative).
 
I'd also be for ending automatic citizenship to babies born to illegal status entrants to the United States.
To me, the current policy makes no sense.

A lot of solutions to US issues seem more common sense than partisan (liberal/conservative).

That is why I addressed your points on substance, and noted specifically that your suggestions make a lot of sense.

I also provided specifics as to why better control of the borders is crucial. As to a rule that those born on American soil are not automatically United States citizens - that is governed by the 14th amendment:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Until such time as we amend the Constitution, all those born in the United States are citizens of this country.

Therefore, protecting the border matters.
 
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GOP Hispanics Dump Trump After Arizona Immigration Speech
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...-arizona-immigration-speech-n641131?cid=sm_fb

The hope that some Hispanics were holding onto that Donald Trump could be compassionate toward immigrants vanished with his speech in Arizona.

Some Latinos who were backing him or hoped to couldn't justify being in his corner after what they saw as him unleashing law enforcement on immigrants, regardless of whether they were criminals or had lived in the country for years, raised families and paid taxes.

"Awful!" said Massey Villarreal, a Houston businessman who had opposed Trump, then supported him and was done with him after Wednesday's speech. "As a compassionate conservative, I am disappointed with the immigration speech.

"I'm going to flip, but not flop. I am no longer supporting Trump for president, but cannot with any conscience support Hillary (Clinton)," Villarreal told NBC Latino Wednesday night.

For almost two weeks, some Republican Hispanics have been wading through the spin that Trump and his campaign were putting out on his immigration policies.

After meeting with him Aug. 20 at his home, some believed he had heard their concerns about the statements he'd made about immigrants and his plans to make them all leave the country. Some thought he might even offer a form of legalization.

Jacob Monty, who had been at the meeting and advising Trump on Hispanics, also told NBC Latino that he is no longer supporting Trump. Monty is an immigration attorney from Houston who also chairs the Latino-Jewish Alliance.

"I am convinced that Donald Trump listens to whomever speaks to him last," Monty said. He said groups who advocate for harsh immigration enforcement such as FAIR and Numbers USA "must have spent time with him after he returned from Mexico and he listened to them."

He said GOP Latinos who met with Trump almost two weeks ago gave him a plan that was "strong on security, that was very compassionate." The plan called for a reprieve from deportation from those already in the country. "He didn't even listen," Monty said.

The speech Trump gave, he said, left him wondering whether meeting with the Hispanic Republicans "was a cynical scheme to use us as props like he used the Mexican president as a prop," said Monty.

"The problem with Donald Trump and the reason I wanted to act swiftly (after the speech) is you don't want this guy as president. He listens to whomever speaks to him last and that's dangerous," he said.
 
Pence with a nice uppercut!

Mike Pence VP @MikePenceVP
..turns out @HillaryClinton had planned to meet with President Pena Nieto ..but was still negotiating her speaking fees.
 
The problem with just border security is that many get a 10 year visitor visa and the Constitution and
our emergency room policies let them get pregnant, come for a visit at the time of birth, go to
emergency room and give birth to an American citizen and can pay the emergency room bill if they
feel like it or not if they don't.

Doesn't seem like an intelligent way to run a country. Just learned recently that some use a visitor
visa to get treated in our hospitals, don't stay in our country, but stiff us with the hospital bill.
 
Quotes from two people = GOP Hispanics Dump Trump. Yeah. Right.

Donald Trump’s ‘Hispanic Advisory Council’ is falling apart after his brutal immigration speech
http://fusion.net/story/343203/trum...ce=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=jr


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hispanic leader who advises Trump camp telling me half of Trump's Hispanic advisory board is ready to resign today (15 of 30)</p>— Leslie Sanchez (@LeslieSanchez) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeslieSanchez/status/771362138011103232">September 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The problem with just border security is that many get a 10 year visitor visa and the Constitution and our emergency room policies let them get pregnant, come for a visit at the time of birth, go to emergency room and give birth to an American citizen and can pay the emergency room bill if they feel like it or not if they don't.

Doesn't seem like an intelligent way to run a country. Just learned recently that some use a visitor visa to get treated in our hospitals, don't stay in our country, but stiff us with the hospital bill.

No dispute here. But border control clearly reduces the number of illegals entering our country.

How do we know this? Mexico depends on dumping the least-educated into our country, and then receiving money flowing into Mexico by the billions when those unskilled workers take jobs for minimum wage (or less) and send money back to Mexico. Therefore, any measure which will reduce the flood of illegals is met with screeching protest by Mexico.

If a proposal makes Mexico squeal, you can bet your bottom dollar that it will reduce illegal immigration.
 
Donald Trump’s ‘Hispanic Advisory Council’ is falling apart after his brutal immigration speech
http://fusion.net/story/343203/trum...ce=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=jr


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hispanic leader who advises Trump camp telling me half of Trump's Hispanic advisory board is ready to resign today (15 of 30)</p>— Leslie Sanchez (@LeslieSanchez) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeslieSanchez/status/771362138011103232">September 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Good riddance, **** 'em. Double the pay for the 15 realists who stayed.
 

Illegals are not immigrants. Illegals are trespassers. I have a friend who is married to woman who was born in Germany. She was a German national,she is now a naturalized US citizen. She is an imigrant. A guy that comes across the border without a visa or any intent to immigrate and assimilate into the culture of the USA is an interloper. There is a GIGANTIC difference.
 
The "Wall" is never being built. This has simply been Trumped up.

I don't know how you can say..or even think that. The wall ( border fence ) has been budgeted for a long time.

On October 26, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109–367) into law stating, “This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."[1] The bill was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY). In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283 -138 on September 14, 2006. On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80 -19.

Congress approved $1.2 billion in a separate homeland security spending bill to bankroll the fence, though critics say this is $4.8 billion less than what’s likely needed to get it built.

By April 2009 Homeland Security had erected about 613 miles (985 km) of new pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers along the southwest border from California to Texas.[5]

The Republican Party's 2012 platform highlighted the fact that the rest of the double fencing was never built and stated that "The double-layered fencing on the border that was enacted by Congress in 2006, but never completed, must finally be built."[7] In short, Congress failed to continue to fund the project past the initial $1.2 billion procured, in order to finish building the fence.

At $16 million per mile and with 1,300 miles to secure, the estimated cost would be $12 billion, and the price of private land acquisitions and maintenance of fencing could push that total cost higher.

Like any large government initiative, border security is not immune from waste. A 2011 report by the Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security found that Customs and Border Protection needlessly spent about $69 million by botching the order of steel and approving a high-priced subcontractor.

Don't tell me a builder like Trump can't take that $16B a mile and pare it down to something not resembling a typical Gov't job....especially with all that cheap labor showing up from the south every day.
 
Spot on analysis by Dan Rather, which rather accurately describes the Trump fanboys here at SN:

Here is Dan Rather’s Facebook post of September 1, 2016.

“Um. Wow. If anybody thought that Donald Trump would deliver a moderated speech on immigration, that ended pretty much in the first moments he walked onto the stage in Phoenix. He claimed it would be a detailed policy address, and yet from the start his tone was a seething, angry attack on what he described as a world of dangerous murderers and rapists who seem to be roaming “sanctuary cities.” Focusing on a few isolated and already well-documented tragedies, he painted the entire undocumented world with the casual brush of violence. This approach was punctuated by family members of those who have died paraded at the end. The crowd – nearly all white from the looks of the cutaway shots – ate it up with a hostility that seems in keeping with those who have flocked to Trump’s angry march through this campaign season. There was of course no mention of the de facto integration of millions immigrants already entwined in the fabric of our daily lives and economy.

I expected a law and order theme, but not this level of searing rhetoric. Of course, I shouldn’t have been surprised. Trump feeds off his crowds and they were giving it right back. It was ultimate in the “Us vs. Them” mentality. Real Americans vs. others. I frankly saw echoes of the George Wallace speeches from the 1968 campaign.

The applause lines seemed like ready red meat for this crowd and I am sure for those who regularly watch Fox News. They were names and anecdotes that frankly will be unknown to most Americans. That’s because Donald Trump’s America does not comport with what many voters see in their own lives. It was an attack on “thugs” and those on “welfare”. I suppose there was a structure to this speech. He would say “and 3”, “and 4” as if it were a detailed list of proposals, but any sense of order was swamped by a tsunami of rhetoric and tone.

Going in there was a question, after a confusing and contradictory trip to Mexico earlier in the day, about the status of Trump’s wall. Trump said he would, without equivocation, “Build the Wall.” The crowd again went wild. And of course Mexico will pay for the wall – “100 percent. They don’t know it yet.” But by that point, even this news item seemed like an afterthought consumed by the overall tone.

Of course along the way he slammed Climate Change – just because, suggested that Hillary Clinton could be deported, and told African Americans they should vote for him because “what do they have to lose?”

But any details are beside the point. With a raspy roar, leaning over the podium, Trump delivered his message with glee - This is our country and we are being overwhelmed by hordes not fit to be in our country. He suggested that “These People” are well known to law enforcement and could be rounded up with ease. It was a line that seemed more in keeping with the culture of the old East Germany than the United States. “We have got to have a county folks” he summed it up. “Under a Trump Administration it’s called America first!”

You could try to fact check this speech, but that is a fool’s errand. Trump and Clinton are not running for the president of the same country. The one who wins will be the one whose vision of America most conforms with reality.

Make no mistake, this was a toxic mix of jingoism, nativism, and chauvinism. Many of you would like to think, not in America, not in our country could this type of rhetoric gain currency. But in other countries, and in other times in history, we have seen the impossible become possible to horrific effect. Trump is betting his political future on this idea – that there is a deep, tribal, and dark sea of the molten lava of hate and aggrievement. This volcano from below appeals to dangerous instincts- can it yield a path to the presidency and power?
 
Dan Rather is still alive?
 
Mock him all you want, clearly you can't refute any of his points. No surprise there.
 
Mock him all you want, clearly you can't refute any of his points. No surprise there.

He's an irrelevant senile lifetime libtard with an anti-republican agenda that is decades old. He has no valid points.
 
Mock him all you want, clearly you can't refute any of his points. No surprise there.

Zero credibility.

In their perversely titled film, Robert Redford plays Dan Rather, and Cate Blanchet plays Mary Mapes, the erstwhile CBS News anchor and producer who collaborated on a spectacularly flawed September 2004 story about George W. Bush’s National Guard service. Their report should be taught at journalism schools for a long time to come as an object lesson in how not to attempt journalism.
 
Build a proper wall, stem the tide, and move forward. You are not going to deport every ilegal that is here, just a quick deportation of those caught breaking the law. Offer temporary green cards to those that apply and can prove gainfull employment, 10 years max. No green card to those who are a drain on the economy. Cut off all assistance to those who can NOT PROVE citizenship. Allow ANYONE TO LEAVE. If you are caught without the proper paperwork, yo go directly to a deportation "farm" where you will work for US until deported.

American businesses will be fined 1 million for a first offense, business will be confiscated on a second offense. All personnel above ilegal worker will do a min of 1 year sentence in the deportation "farms", without reduced time.
 
Since when does a person running for president get to meet with foreign dignitaries in their country? I just have never heard of that before.
 
Since when does a person running for president get to meet with foreign dignitaries in their country? I just have never heard of that before.

 
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