Uncle Jarvis

[ark steel]

how much do you think he deserves? and how much do you think he'd get in the open market?

Everyone wanted to hand Lewis $5m per year because he had finally played a full 16 games. the fact that it took him 4 years to do it or that he only had 1 INT in those 4 years seemed irrelevant. How many years has Timmons played 16 games and he gets INT's too? So, minimum $5million is what everyone must think he is worth.

Anyone that considers him average (or "average at best") is, most likely, in the minority, fan-wise and across the NFL players/coaches/insiders.

IMO, the only truly valid criticism of Timmons is that his pay is either the most of any ILB or in the top 2-3 and I doubt many people consider him a top 2-3 ILB and probably not in the top-5.

Timmons worst year was last year. It probably isn't a coincidence, it was a year in which a rookie LB was lined up next to him or they had to pull down Troy to try to play ILB. His best year was in 2010 (I think it was) when, also probably not a coincidence, Harrison and Woodley were also in the LB core.

 

[Litos]

Everyone wanted to hand Lewis $5m per year because he had finally played a full 16 games. the fact that it took him 4 years to do it or that he only had 1 INT in those 4 years seemed irrelevant. How many years has Timmons played 16 games and he gets INT's too? So, minimum $5million is what everyone must think he is worth.

Anyone that considers him average (or "average at best") is, most likely, in the minority, fan-wise and across the NFL players/coaches/insiders.

IMO, the only truly valid criticism of Timmons is that his pay is either the most of any ILB or in the top 2-3 and I doubt many people consider him a top 2-3 ILB and probably not in the top-5.

Timmons worst year was last year. It probably isn't a coincidence, it was a year in which a rookie LB was lined up next to him or they had to pull down Troy to try to play ILB. His best year was in 2010 (I think it was) when, also probably not a coincidence, Harrison and Woodley were also in the LB core.

and Farrior was still in full force

 

[Xc944]

Everyone wanted to hand Lewis $5m per year because he had finally played a full 16 games. the fact that it took him 4 years to do it or that he only had 1 INT in those 4 years seemed irrelevant. How many years has Timmons played 16 games and he gets INT's too? So, minimum $5million is what everyone must think he is worth.

Anyone that considers him average (or "average at best") is, most likely, in the minority, fan-wise and across the NFL players/coaches/insiders.

IMO, the only truly valid criticism of Timmons is that his pay is either the most of any ILB or in the top 2-3 and I doubt many people consider him a top 2-3 ILB and probably not in the top-5.

Timmons worst year was last year. It probably isn't a coincidence, it was a year in which a rookie LB was lined up next to him or they had to pull down Troy to try to play ILB. His best year was in 2010 (I think it was) when, also probably not a coincidence, Harrison and Woodley were also in the LB core.

Look at the ilbs in the league now he's around 12-15 in the league. So he's slightly above average and paid #2 just a little bit less than Willis. A ilb that is terrible in traffic and shows very little stregth is average

 

[steelerscotty]

According to this site:
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/redraft/2007/
Timmons should have gone 8th to Atlanta . . .I know nfl.com does a draft(s) revisited series also.

 

[ark steel]

Look at the ilbs in the league now he's around 12-15 in the league. So he's slightly above average and paid #2 just a little bit less than Willis. A ilb that is terrible in traffic and shows very little stregth is average

And you are still in the minority if you think he is average. And I already said, in a different way, when you are paid #1/#2, you ought to be, at least, in the top 5. You could be forgiven for having a year not in the top 5, but the rest of the time you should be there.

 

[steelerscotty]

found this chart here:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TimmLa99.htm

I dont see how anyone could claim last year was his worst. 2010 was his best year only if you look at tackles. 2012 was easily his best year with 6 sacks and 3 ints plus a high number of tackles. 2013 was not that far off that pace and was a better year for tackling. According to this LT's 2010 and 2013 seasons were nearly identical, with just 9 fewer credited tackles (single+assists).

Splits [+]
Touchdowns
Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Sk Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Tkl Ast Sfty AV
2007 21 PIT 94 16 0 0 0 2 5 0 11 2 2
2008 22 PIT lb 94 16 2 5.0 1 89 0 89 3 1 0 1 0 0 43 22 4
2009 23 PIT RILB 94 14 13 7.0 0 0 0 0 4 4 0 0 0 0 56 22 7
2010 24 PIT RILB 94 16 15 3.0 2 5 0 5 10 2 0 2 0 0 96 39 11
2011 25 PIT LB/rolb94 16 16 2.0 1 0 0 0 5 1 0 0 0 0 68 25 11
2012 26 PIT RILB 94 16 16 6.0 3 80 1 53 5 2 0 1 1 0 75 31 11
2013 27 PIT ilb/RILB94 16 16 3.0 2 26 0 23 6 1 0 1 29 0 86 40 9
Career 110 78 26.0 9 200 1 89 33 11 0 7 35 435 181 55

 

[steelerscotty]

copy & paste didnt work too well for the chart . . .but if you go to that site you will see what i mean.

 

[Supersteeler]

According to this site:
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/redraft/2007/
Timmons should have gone 8th to Atlanta . . .I know nfl.com does a draft(s) revisited series also.

That can't be,. Shouldn't he have been a 2nd or 3rd Rounder? That's the impression I get.

 

[deljzc]

You realize Timmons has a realistic shot at becoming part of the 20-20 club (20 sacks + 20 interception). With the understanding sacks have only been around since 1980, there are still only SIX linebackers that have accomplished that feat:

Donnie Edwards, Seth Joyner, Ray Lewis, Wilber Marshall, William Thomas and Brian Urlacher

That's pretty impressive company. Are they all hall-of-famers? No. But I think Timmons is a pretty decent all around LB that looks to be a 10-year good to very good starter for the Steelers. I've never had a problem with the pick. I was a bit peeved at the OLB-ILB confusion at first. I didn't like getting sold by Colbert he was Greg Lloyd while being sold he was Derrick Brooks by Tomlin. Stuff like that rhetoric bothers me.

But Timmons is a pretty good selection in my book.

 

[steelerscotty]

I agree dej, problem is there seems to be a few people on this site who, if they dont like the pick at the time, will never like it no matter what the person does as a steeler.

I was a little irate when we took Shazier based on the "fact" presented by the media types that he has an OLB. Ive since warmed up to the pick and i am hopeful he will be a game changer.

Timmons has been productive and remarkably consistent in his play over his the last 5 years. I thought he shouldve been a pro bowler in '10 and '12. I guess the mis-conception that he had a bad year last year is due to one bad play against Oakland. The stats certainly dont support the argument that he had a bad year.

 

[Idioteque]

Here's the thing. I know this is true for me and I'm positive it's true for a few others. I was never in love with Timmons, Worilds, Jarvis, etc, when they first came aboard. They BECAME the players I root for the most for no other reason except that they were completely written off by you and a few others either before they ever stepped on a field or shortly after. I root for the Under Dog in life and always have, plain and simple. When people write a guy off real, real, REAL, early because of their personal biases, I root for him to shut them up. That's all there is to it. I've become a fan of players about 5 minutes after the draft selection comes in and I see what kind of Idiocy is going on here.

Wait.. so the only reason to dislike a prospect is due to "personal biases" (LOL)? Or just the mega-elite guys like Jason Worilds?

This board is starting to make my head hurt.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

This is the concept people are missing. The reason the Steelers have struggled recently is their picks are taking too long to develop. That's fine for later round picks that don't make any money but it's bad when your 1st rounders take years to become good starters.

The idea is that you draft a guy high, pay him good money and he proves himself so then you re-sign him early at a savings. You get yourself a star player at below market value.

When the players don't have a breakout year until their last year of the rookie contract then you don't see that savings. That's what happened with Timmons, and Worilds. That's why they couldn't keep Keenan Lewis.

The Steelers essentially signed Timmons and Worilds as high priced free agents. If this pattern keeps up, the Steelers are screwed.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Another point about the people who complain about the complainers. Did you notice the Steelers have gone 8-8 for 2 straight years? I'm thinking that has something to do with increased complaints.

Goodell is ruining the NFL. He has tilted the rules so far to favor the pass that you don't even need a great team to win the SUper Bowl. All you need is a decent defense and a good QB and you have a legit chance to win. The ****** Ravens won. The not great Seahawks won.

The point is the Steelers have one of the best QBs in the league in his prime and they are wasting his window of opportunity. That is why I am so critical, because i know that even with all the problems the last 2 years, the Steelers were close to winning a Super Bowl if they had just a few more players.

 

[slashsteel]

Another point about the people who complain about the complainers. Did you notice the Steelers have gone 8-8 for 2 straight years? I'm thinking that has something to do with increased complaints.

Goodell is ruining the NFL. He has tilted the rules so far to favor the pass that you don't even need a great team to win the SUper Bowl. All you need is a decent defense and a good QB and you have a legit chance to win. The ****** Ravens won. The not great Seahawks won.

The point is the Steelers have one of the best QBs in the league in his prime and they are wasting his window of opportunity. That is why I am so critical, because i know that even with all the problems the last 2 years, the Steelers were close to winning a Super Bowl if they had just a few more players.

They have more than a few players so who knows this year.

Blount
a improving Bell and Jarvis
A savvy Moore
A healthier Heath
A change of pace tiny Tim Archer
A second year WR potential in Wheaton
A red zone possibility in Bryant
A explosive splash player in Shazier
Better depth overall.


I think the bodies are there, just is going to need a good teaching /coaching year to have them mesh and produce.

But with Mike and Peezy added, you have potential to help them do just that.

I am excited about this year, I think it will be a good year for the team we all love..............

 

[Litos]

Another point about the people who complain about the complainers. Did you notice the Steelers have gone 8-8 for 2 straight years? I'm thinking that has something to do with increased complaints.

Goodell is ruining the NFL. He has tilted the rules so far to favor the pass that you don't even need a great team to win the SUper Bowl. All you need is a decent defense and a good QB and you have a legit chance to win. The ****** Ravens won. The not great Seahawks won.

The point is the Steelers have one of the best QBs in the league in his prime and they are wasting his window of opportunity. That is why I am so critical, because i know that even with all the problems the last 2 years, the Steelers were close to winning a Super Bowl if they had just a few more players.

That Seahawks defense may be closer to great than they are to just a decent defense

 

[Supersteeler]

Wait.. so the only reason to dislike a prospect is due to "personal biases" (LOL)? Or just the mega-elite guys like Jason Worilds?

This board is starting to make my head hurt.

People can dislike a player or pick for any reason they want. What bothers me when they refuse to admit when they were wrong in the face of all evidence to the contrary out of stubborn pride.

 

[Idioteque]

People can dislike a player or pick for any reason they want. What bothers me when they refuse to admit when they were wrong in the face of all evidence to the contrary out of stubborn pride.

OK. So, your beef is with people who think Jarvis Jones had a poor rookie year? That stance comes from "stubborn pride"?

 

[Superman]

This board is starting to make my head hurt.

no one holds a gun to your head and forces you to post here, Sport Chief Captain.

 

[Wingman]

I can sense the future posting of your not a true fan in the future.

 

[Supersteeler]

OK. So, your beef is with people who think Jarvis Jones had a poor rookie year? That stance comes from "stubborn pride"?

Nope beef with that. My problem is with people who spout from every rooftop, "He's a bust, terrible pick, will never amount to ****" based on his rookie year alone. You don't have a crystal ball and neither do I. Pretending that you do just makes you sound silly and puts you in a position where you feel you have to justify yourself later if he does succeed.

I'm perfectly content to say that Jarvis had a quiet, not very productive rookie season and I am reserving judgment until he has a couple years to see if he can improve his game. I am not comfortable saying, "He's done because i say he is done. I told youz guys it was a stupid pick, I told you so, look at how smart I am now!"

 

[Idioteque]

Nope beef with that. My problem is with people who spout from every rooftop, "He's a bust, terrible pick, will never amount to ****" based on his rookie year alone. You don't have a crystal ball and neither do I. Pretending that you do just makes you sound silly and puts you in a position where you feel you have to justify yourself later if he does succeed.

I'm perfectly content to say that Jarvis had a quiet, not very productive rookie season and I am reserving judgment until he has a couple years to see if he can improve his game. I am not comfortable saying, "He's done because i say he is done. I told youz guys it was a stupid pick, I told you so, look at how smart I am now!"

OK, and who has done that?!? I honestly haven't seen it. Maybe you assume any at all pessimism is equivalent to "He's a bust, terrible pick, will never amount to ****" but that's not based in reality.

 

[FSF]

I always keep in mind that articles are meant to entertain as much as they inform today. Much of the information received lacks accuracy....Regardless, I would guarantee Kevin Butler doesn't care what is out there....He is far more interested in developing his group of linebackers and making sure they are productive in doing the things necessary to disrupt offenses. The only people who care are the people who write and talk about it and the fans....

Pretty much dead on accurate comment about the media of today. It cannot be taken seriously in any arena. Just take how they will react to LeBron James regardless of whether the heat win or lose somehow they'll make a big deal about what he's doing. Different sport same fundamental concepts.

As far as Jones he can be listed at 6'2" 245 - that means nothing to me. Seem to be said for his rookie year over analyzing.

Let's see what the guy actually does with new year under his belt and experience it worked out pretty well for a guy named Troy Polamalu in. 2004

 

[Franco]

Pretty much dead on accurate comment about the media of today. It cannot be taken seriously in any arena. Just take how they will react to LeBron James regardless of whether the heat win or lose somehow they'll make a big deal about what he's doing. Different sport same fundamental concepts.

As far as Jones he can be listed at 6'2" 245 - that means nothing to me. Seem to be said for his rookie year over analyzing.

Let's see what the guy actually does with new year under his belt and experience it worked out pretty well for a guy named Troy Polamalu in. 2004

The difference is Troy had incredible physical abilities and just need experience while Jones has a ton of experienc the 3-4 but is a below average athlete and will not get faster or quicker and is already 25, , he is what he is.

 

[Idioteque]

The difference is Troy had incredible physical abilities and just need experience while Jones has a ton of experienc the 3-4 but is a below average athlete and will not get faster or quicker and is already 25, , he is what he is.

So many raw, light, can't-play-the-run-or-cover pass rushers hit the NFL and make a serious impact out of the gates. Jones was an older rookie with three years' experience at 3-4 OLB but made a marginal dent on the season.

It doesn't mean he has no upside, but it's at best a disappointing rookie season that leaves big question marks.

 

[smidrow]

Was that someone's dick in your cheek?

Sharp comment....Spoken like a real tough guy.....SMH........Here's another one....Go **** Yourself!!!! It is amazing how big the balls get in a Chat Forum....