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We are being badly misled about the Ukraine-Russia war

Hypocycloids said:
Just saw that.
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I initially didn’t read the entire article, but it goes on to describe the official wanting to impeach.
He’s a piece of garbage.

Who Is Oleksandr Dubinsky?​

Dubinsky, a controversial figure in Ukrainian politics, has been a member of the Verkhovna Rada since 2019. His political career, however, has been marred by allegations of corruption and ties to Russian influence campaigns.

In 2021, the U.S. sanctioned Dubinsky, accusing him of being part of a "Russia-linked foreign influence network" that attempted to meddle in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. By 2023, he was arrested in Ukraine on suspicion of state treason, with authorities alleging he was involved in spreading pro-Kremlin misinformation.
 
Troglodyte said:
Explain the “or not”. How could his hatred not be warranted?

Zelensky is a much better human being than either Trump or Putin. You’re just easily manipulated by authoritarians.
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And that Trump is worse than Putin. Right?
 
Part of me, only a small part but it’s there, wishes we would team up with Putin and take over the world. **** you China. **** you Middle East. **** you Europe. You’re all our ******* now.
 
IndySteel said:
Part of me, only a small part but it’s there, wishes we would team up with Putin and take over the world. **** you China. **** you Middle East. **** you Europe. You’re all our ******* now.
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Credible and logical argument that the Zelenksy White House complaint-fest was a set-up, where the noxious traitors behind every foreign policy disaster of the last 20 years (Blinken, Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland) encouraged Zelensky to pick the fight. The globalist warmongers believed that Trump would lose his temper and would be made to look bad, supporting another slew of bogus allegations that Trump is a "Russian puppet."



By the way, the mineral deal that Zelensky was supposed to sign and didn't? He was the one who first proposed such a deal. He refused to sign the deal that he and his parliament approved when in Kyiv and before starting his latest money-raising sojourn, a second time when he was in Munich and supposed to sign, and now in the White House when he was the person who requested the White House meeting to sign a deal already agreed to by all parties.

The White House visit was a PR stop to help the tyrant Hobbit. The deal was done and every detail worked out between the parties. He signs, the parties have lunch, and Zelenskyyyyyyy goes home with a deal that makes his nation a bunch of money and strengthens ties between the United States and Ukraine. Instead, he throws a fit in the White House, insults the President, calls JD Vance "b!tch," and fails to sign the deal.

But yeah, Pootin is the problem.
 
Hypocycloids said:
I initially didn’t read the entire article, but it goes on to describe the official wanting to impeach.
He’s a piece of garbage.

Who Is Oleksandr Dubinsky?​

Dubinsky, a controversial figure in Ukrainian politics, has been a member of the Verkhovna Rada since 2019. His political career, however, has been marred by allegations of corruption and ties to Russian influence campaigns.

In 2021, the U.S. sanctioned Dubinsky, accusing him of being part of a "Russia-linked foreign influence network" that attempted to meddle in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. By 2023, he was arrested in Ukraine on suspicion of state treason, with authorities alleging he was involved in spreading pro-Kremlin misinformation.
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The US government, via un-elected diplomats and State Department officials, helped and sanctioned the coup and overthrow of the democratically elected Government of Ukraine in 2014 and then, audaciously, hand picked the cabinet ministers of the new "regime" (Victoria Newland on released call recordings).

They killed, jailed and exiled the representatives of the people of Ukraine......and now they have targeted another because he didn't fit the US narrative for the Ukrainian junta led by former actor Zelensky.

Why would you believe anything written by US government or its paid media about anyone in Ukraine who doesn't fit their propaganda?
 
Steeltime said:
Credible and logical argument that the Zelenksy White House complaint-fest was a set-up, where the noxious traitors behind every foreign policy disaster of the last 20 years (Blinken, Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland) encouraged Zelensky to pick the fight. The globalist warmongers believed that Trump would lose his temper and would be made to look bad, supporting another slew of bogus allegations that Trump is a "Russian puppet."



By the way, the mineral deal that Zelensky was supposed to sign and didn't? He was the one who first proposed such a deal. He refused to sign the deal that he and his parliament approved when in Kyiv and before starting his latest money-raising sojourn, a second time when he was in Munich and supposed to sign, and now in the White House when he was the person who requested the White House meeting to sign a deal already agreed to by all parties.

The White House visit was a PR stop to help the tyrant Hobbit. The deal was done and every detail worked out between the parties. He signs, the parties have lunch, and Zelenskyyyyyyy goes home with a deal that makes his nation a bunch of money and strengthens ties between the United States and Ukraine. Instead, he throws a fit in the White House, insults the President, calls JD Vance "b!tch," and fails to sign the deal.

But yeah, Pootin is the problem.
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Dem Senators confirm meeting Zelensky after he landed in DC and before he went to the White House meeting......complete set up.
 
BLITZ said:
Zelinsky is a grifter.
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And all those who put him in place are as well. Look at the timing, Covid winding down, no more Afghanistan $ pipeline, let's put the Ukraine conflict back on the tracks.

Except for Trump being elected in 2016, what we've seen was to be scheduled anyways. They just had to deal with a 4 year delay. Notice how fast it came to be after Biden was elected?

It's all a farce and moves are being made a couple levels above Trump, Zelensky, Putin.. Way above our pay grades that's for sure. Just watch and see how all this stuff falls conveniently into place and make your own conclusions...No way it just happens...
 
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Hypocycloids said:
I initially didn’t read the entire article, but it goes on to describe the official wanting to impeach.
He’s a piece of garbage.

Who Is Oleksandr Dubinsky?​

Dubinsky, a controversial figure in Ukrainian politics, has been a member of the Verkhovna Rada since 2019. His political career, however, has been marred by allegations of corruption and ties to Russian influence campaigns.

In 2021, the U.S. sanctioned Dubinsky, accusing him of being part of a "Russia-linked foreign influence network" that attempted to meddle in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. By 2023, he was arrested in Ukraine on suspicion of state treason, with authorities alleging he was involved in spreading pro-Kremlin misinformation.
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Ukraine is known to have an extremely corrupt government. Nothing surprises me from there.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, but close. Both are sociopaths but Trump may be more dangerous than Putin.
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Because you have the widely accepted "sociopah-danger-o-meter" right? I try to gracious to all on this board. I was even that to Tibs (except one time, and I apologized), but you just put garbage out. It seems you like to say stuff that just stirs the pot for the libs out there, without regard for honesty or integrity.

It's odd.
 
Djfan said:
Because you have the widely accepted "sociopah-danger-o-meter" right? I try to gracious to all on this board. I was even that to Tibs (except one time, and I apologized), but you just put garbage out. It seems you like to say stuff that just stirs the pot for the libs out there, without regard for honesty or integrity.

It's odd.
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If you would step outside your bubble, you’d learn other people are saying the same things I’m saying including Trumps own niece.
 
Troglodyte said:
If you would step outside your bubble, you’d learn other people are saying the same things I’m saying including Trumps own niece.
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People say many things. The fact is that the voters wanted this. That's why he won. Of course those who don't want it, or just hate on him will say things.
 
Djfan said:
People say many things. The fact is that the voters wanted this. That's why he won. Of course those who don't want it, or just hate on him will say things.
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Step out of your bubble...


...and enter Flog's bubble.
You'll be enlightened to the One Truth. Open your mind and let the righteousness enter every fiber of your being.
 
Booted said:
Step out of your bubble...


...and enter Flog's bubble.
You'll be enlightened to the One Truth. Open your mind and let the righteousness enter every fiber of your being.
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I'm not so sure that I am uniquely bummed with him. This is the way of our media divided nation today. We can't even rationalize the fact that there are bad decisions made by leaders, and good ones, too. But, hey, let's go all in on the bad things of Trump. He's not perfect, but he wants what most US voters want. I have even met people who want the same things, but only if Trump isn't the guy supplying it. It's really odd.

I fear for this nation. This is not sustainable. We have too much going wrong. But, it can never be fixed until we can talk reasonably about it. This nation can't now, for sure.
 
Confluence said:
The US government, via un-elected diplomats and State Department officials, helped and sanctioned the coup and overthrow of the democratically elected Government of Ukraine in 2014 and then, audaciously, hand picked the cabinet ministers of the new "regime" (Victoria Newland on released call recordings).

They killed, jailed and exiled the representatives of the people of Ukraine......and now they have targeted another because he didn't fit the US narrative for the Ukrainian junta led by former actor Zelensky.

Why would you believe anything written by US government or its paid media about anyone in Ukraine who doesn't fit their propaganda?
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Well there’s was a reason for that. One theory…
Russia had control of Ukraine for decades. Obviously the Russian controlled Ukrainian political bureaucracy had been infiltrated and controlled by Russians.
It would be extremely naive to refute that.
When the Soviet Union dissolved do you think these bureaucrats loyal to Mother Russia said “bye bye, have a nice country” and they all went home?
No, many remained. These bureaucrats are Ukrainians by citizenship only who remained loyal to the motherland.
It is those people responsible for the corruption that we a scream at the Ukrainians for.
Who is Oleksandr Dubinsky? I think I know.
Putin is a slick SOB

That’s why it’s such a mess over there.
 
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Djfan said:
People say many things. The fact is that the voters wanted this. That's why he won. Of course those who don't want it, or just hate on him will say things.
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People also forget history and repeat it.
 
Troglodyte said:
People also forget history and repeat it.
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See, that means nothing right now. Had you said "In the 1970s this happened in the US and Trump is doing it again" at least there would be substance to discuss. As it is, you just said a cliche and applied it to nothing. So, what do we discuss based on that? Nothing. It means nothing.
 
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