We are being badly misled about the Ukraine-Russia war

[Sarge]

when is the MSM going to report on this?

I can actually agree with his decision, kinda. They are at war. In Ukraine. Many citizens are displaced in other countries and can’t vote. Plus, having people line up at polling places to become targets probably isn’t a good idea. And something tells me that the mail service has probably been disrupted so there goes mail in ballots. Now when the war is over and he doesn’t have an election about 10 minutes later, then that’s a problem and his head should be separated from his body.

 

[Superman]

I can actually agree with his decision, kinda. They are at war. In Ukraine. Many citizens are displaced in other countries and can’t vote. Plus, having people line up at polling places to become targets probably isn’t a good idea. And something tells me that the mail service has probably been disrupted so there goes mail in ballots. Now when the war is over and he doesn’t have an election about 10 minutes later, then that’s a problem and his head should be separated from his body.

how dare you speak out against such a benevolent and brave king!

 

[Superman]

 

[Superman]

 

[Steeltime]

I’m gonna disagree because if Trump was doing what Biden is doing in regards to Ukraine, republicans would be defending it and the left would be losing its mind. We both know that’s true.

I understand your point, no question, but my response is that I trust Trump a ton more than Biden regarding any foreign policy decision. One Senator said that "Joe Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy decision in his life." Trump said that going into Iraq was a mistake when it took courage to take that position.

Further, Biden's overt and obvious grifting for more than 40 years makes me suspect that everything he does is for financial gain - his, not the country's.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Probably telling him that all those burned out buildings are causing global warming.

Meme seen on FB today:
"Why aren't the Chinese worried about climate change?"
They're already a Communist country.

 

[Sarge]

I understand your point, no question, but my response is that I trust Trump a ton more than Biden regarding any foreign policy decision. One Senator said that "Joe Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy decision in his life." Trump said that going into Iraq was a mistake when it took courage to take that position.

Further, Biden's overt and obvious grifting for more than 40 years makes me suspect that everything he does is for financial gain - his, not the country's.

But that wasn’t the original point. The original point was that people condemn, cheer or defend based party affiliation, rather than a sense of right and wrong. There are many issues in this country where there are “only” two positions and God help you if you are on the “wrong” side. There’s very little nuance. In this regard, liberals and conservatives are no different regardless of what they make up in their minds.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I’m gonna disagree because if Trump was doing what Biden is doing in regards to Ukraine, republicans would be defending it and the left would be losing its mind. We both know that’s true.

Most people know establishment republicans want this war too. Another reason they don't want Trump.

 

[Sarge]

I just don't understand why more of our military leaders don't speak out - even anonymously - and explain that we are crippling our military by giving up so much vital hardware. I mean 2 million Howitzer rounds? Really?

Well, is it really hard to believe that maybe these guys honestly believe that they are doing the correct, noble and honorable thing? It is strange what a person believes in. Modern politics shows us that.

 

[Confluence]

Well, is it really hard to believe that maybe these guys honestly believe that they are doing the correct, noble and honorable thing? It is strange what a person believes in. Modern politics shows us that.

Then the wrong people are leading the military.

 

[SanDiegoSteeler]

Let Col. Douglas Macgregor explain what's going on...

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Well, is it really hard to believe that maybe these guys honestly believe that they are doing the correct, noble and honorable thing? It is strange what a person believes in. Modern politics shows us that.

Then the wrong people are leading the military.

I think most people would agree that Russia should not have invaded Ukraine. That said, this is not a case of good guys vs. bad guys. There are no good guys here, just bad guys and worse guys.

 

[Sarge]

Then the wrong people are leading the military.

I won’t disagree with that.

 

[steel dino]

We all knw how this is all going to end...
Just ask AI....right?

 

[Steeltime]

We all knw how this is all going to end...
Just ask AI....right?

AI's solution to every problem involving humans:

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

So……is the truth why we are giving cluster bombs up is that we don’t have shot left in the closet?

 

[Steeltime]

So……is the truth why we are giving cluster bombs up is that we don’t have shot left in the closet?

Idiot Dementia Patient admits that.



Psaki called use of cluster bombs a "war crime" in 2021. In 2023, Dementia Patient gives cluster bombs to Ukraine because they have used up all of our 155mm artillery.

Gee, who could have seen this coming? Anybody without dementia, I guess.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

at least there's plenty of food. It's not like leftists have banned use of nitrogen fertilizers, dropping crop yields, or that wealthy people are buying up farm lands and not farming, or that Ukraine is important to food supply.

 

[Sarge]

Idiot Dementia Patient admits that.



Psaki called use of cluster bombs a "war crime" in 2021. In 2023, Dementia Patient gives cluster bombs to Ukraine because they have used up all of our 155mm artillery.

Gee, who could have seen this coming? Anybody without dementia, I guess.

China already knows. Hell, the planet knows. This isn’t any sort of revelation. It was all over conservative radio back in April.

 

[Steeltime]

China already knows. Hell, the planet knows. This isn’t any sort of revelation. It was all over conservative radio back in April.

Yeah, I was not torching Dementia Man for admitting the fact. I was pointing out that in 2021, Psaki said the use of cluster bombs was potentially a war crime and lo and behold, two years later let's send Ukraine ... cluster munitions:

Psaki: Russia using cluster munitions "potentially a war crime"

Also that sending the amount of heavy ordnance to Ukraine that we have would obviously create shortages for the United States military absent some SIGNIFICANT effort to increase their manufacture, and only a complete ******* imbecile moron dementia patient would fail to see that.

 

[DBS1970]

Look Ukraine is going to lose this war by attrition, that is a foregone conclusion. A war that would not have started in the first place if our government had not pushed the UKRs to violate the Minsk agreement and saber rattled about Ukraine joining NATO. At this point we are just prolonging the agony and insuring Ukraine doesn't have enough men to rebuild and run their civilization for 50 years. The reason we are doing this is to both distract from the Biden Regimes corruption and incompetence and destroy the evidence of the DNC and GOPe criminal enterprises there. Anyone with eyes to see and two brain cells to rub together knows this.

 

[xjx]

Laundrymat.....must.....operate.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

But that wasn’t the original point. The original point was that people condemn, cheer or defend based party affiliation, rather than a sense of right and wrong. There are many issues in this country where there are “only” two positions and God help you if you are on the “wrong” side. There’s very little nuance. In this regard, liberals and conservatives are no different regardless of what they make up in their minds.

Yep, I would like to think that a rational discussion could be had, but most that I know that lean left want to dictate rather than discuss. I admit my conservative leanings, fiscal at least, may skew my thought process. There is no middle ground.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Look Ukraine is going to lose this war by attrition, that is a foregone conclusion. A war that would not have started in the first place if our government had not pushed the UKRs to violate the Minsk agreement and saber rattled about Ukraine joining NATO. At this point we are just prolonging the agony and insuring Ukraine doesn't have enough men to rebuild and run their civilization for 50 years. The reason we are doing this is to both distract from the Biden Regimes corruption and incompetence and destroy the evidence of the DNC and GOPe criminal enterprises there. Anyone with eyes to see and two brain cells to rub together knows this.

This is my biggest fear, when Zelenskyy runs out of bodies, does Biden say no problem, we have plenty.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Look Ukraine is going to lose this war by attrition, that is a foregone conclusion. A war that would not have started in the first place if our government had not pushed the UKRs to violate the Minsk agreement and saber rattled about Ukraine joining NATO. At this point we are just prolonging the agony and insuring Ukraine doesn't have enough men to rebuild and run their civilization for 50 years. The reason we are doing this is to both distract from the Biden Regimes corruption and incompetence and destroy the evidence of the DNC and GOPe criminal enterprises there. Anyone with eyes to see and two brain cells to rub together knows this.

Agree but question.

How impacted is Russia from this? I think we have seen how **** their forces are. Wars now, **** fights, let’s **** each other up enough and move on.

If we, for the military folks, if we wanted to engage this fight and minus nukes, how quick? Barring political bs of course. I think the west on what I have seen would steam roll them. Again removing nukes from equation