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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/30/britain-first-anti-islam-far-right-muslims

Britain First may be fringe, but its anti-Islam views aren’t
David Shariatmadari

The fringe anti-Muslim group Britain First is enjoying a burst of publicity after Donald Trump retweeted three of its propaganda videos. This has had the rare effect of uniting almost the entire British establishment in horror.

A firm slapdown from the office of the prime minster followed condemnation by Jeremy Corbyn. The archbishop of Canterbury joined in. Even Melanie Phillips, author of a book called Londonistan, which laments the transformation of the urban landscape by headscarves and niqabs, told BBC radio that she was “absolutely appalled”.

Earlier in the same programme, the author Ann Coulter had defended Trump. She argued it didn’t matter if the videos were inaccurately labelled, and that “the native countries are blowing up at the just constant importation of people who do not share our western values – that’s the point at issue”.

There has been some lively discussion about whether the BBC was right to give Coulter airtime. My view is that, thanks to Nick Robinson’s tough questioning, she came across as someone whose relationship to the truth is flexible, to say the least. The theatrics honed over years of US TV appearances sounded close to unhinged at 8.30am over a British cup of tea. Any reasonable listener could tell she lacked credibility.

There have certainly been times when the BBC and others have amplified the divisive views of figures who represent only a tiny minority, in the name of presenting “both sides” of an argument. That is wrong. In the case of discussions about Islam, however, I wonder whether the oxygen of publicity debate slightly misses the point. I have no desire to give Britain First any greater status than the one it has in fact achieved – that of a political organisation with about 1,000 adherents which has failed to win in any election in six years of existence.

But the fact is that some of its views – that Islam is inherently violent, that sharia law is a creeping threat, that British Muslims share some kind of culpability for terrorist atrocities committed in the name of their faith – are widely held. Only a very small number of people are ever going to take to the streets and engage in stand-up arguments with fellow citizens who do not share their beliefs, as Britain First members do. Far, far more identify to some degree with the positions they espouse.

In a 2016 survey by ComRes of 2000 Britons, for example, 31% agreed that Islam promotes acts of violence in the UK. Some 43% said it was a negative force in the country and only 28% believed it was compatible with “British values”. Anecdotally, I am only too aware of this strength of feeling. Whenever I have written about the subject – for example, on how Islam itself is insufficient to explain jihadist terrorism – I have been met with virulently anti-Muslim abuse. I have also had conversations with ostensibly liberal friends who are convinced that Islam is a force for evil in the world, and that all Muslims are homophobic.

The sense that Islam is inimical to a modern, liberal way of life is endlessly reinforced by media organisations with reputation and reach. To take three examples among many: in August this year, the Times raised the alarm over a “Christian child forced into Muslim foster care”, only for much of its reporting to be contradicted by the local authority responsible. The Daily Mail followed up the story with a stock photo of a woman and a child apparently doctored to make it look like the model was wearing a full face veil, instead of the original headscarf. Also in August, the Sun’s former political editor Trevor Kavanagh wondered in a column for the paper what should be done about “the Muslim problem”.

There’s no doubt that Britain First is tiny, and Coulter is obnoxious. But some of their views are more mainstream than we feel comfortable acknowledging. The big question for those of us who want to change that is not whether broadcasters should ignore them. It is how we can demonstrate that the world is not as they see it.

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I'll open a GoFundMe account to send Ogre across the pond, if there are enough people willing to chip in to the cause.
 
Speaking of Britain, here's the latest from Pat Condell.

 
Britians first has been pretty active. I think it was last year, maybe 2015. They go through streets preaching how evil islamic views can be.
There are a bit of youtube videos out there about their cause.
 
Britians first has been pretty active. I think it was last year, maybe 2015. They go through streets preaching how evil islamic views can be.
There are a bit of youtube videos out there about their cause.

Yeah, really great, stand-up organization for sure. A British MP was murdered in cold blood in their name a year or so ago. They are a dangerous, extremist, far right organization. Like the KKK and neo-nazis stateside. But you all distance yourselves from these groups, so I'm sure you'll do the same with the Brit version.
 
Yeah, really great, stand-up organization for sure. A British MP was murdered in cold blood in their name a year or so ago. They are a dangerous, extremist, far right organization. Like the KKK and neo-nazis stateside. But you all distance yourselves from these groups, so I'm sure you'll do the same with the Brit version.

You’re a *****.
 
You’re a *****.

So for the record, you don't distance yourself from these extremist, far-right hate groups. Duly noted. Not hard to tell who the pseudo klansmen are around here.
 
So for the record, you don't distance yourself from these extremist, far-right hate groups. Duly noted. Not hard to tell who the pseudo klansmen are around here.

**** off with that ****. It's a standard tactic of the left to lump all those that oppose it into the Fascist/Nazi category to justify using violence to silence dissenting opinion. You condemn the fringe element of the right while applauding and embracing the actions of your own fringe thug groups. Telling the truth about Muslim migrants supplanting the native culture and destroying western civilization is not racism.
 
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...while applauding and embracing the actions of your own fringe thug groups.
Show me a single instance where I applauded and embraced the actions of any fringe thug groups.
 
Show me a single instance where I applauded and embraced the actions of any fringe thug groups.

You defended AntiFa all through the Charlottesville thread. You posted a picture of the troops in a Higgins Boat during the D Day landings with AntiFa flags or did you think I forgot about that you Socialist **********?
 
You defended AntiFa all through the Charlottesville thread. You posted a picture of the troops in a Higgins Boat during the D Day landings with AntiFa flags or did you think I forgot about that?

Interesting how sensitive you are to the needs and wants of fascists, the KKK and white supremacists. Those poor souls, they really deserve your concern. In the Charlottesville thread I clearly condemned all forms of violence, several times, including that by AntiFa, BLM. The picture you're referring to was a meme that simply pointed out that the US military, along with all Western, democratic countries, are anti-fascists at their core. But that too ruffled your precious feathers. Again, you have hurt feelings when it's pointed out the KKK, white supremacists et al are one and the same as the Nazis in Europe during WWII? Who's ******* side are you on? Make up your mind.

...you Socialist **********

Thatta boy, that's how you keep things civil around here. Nice job.
 
So for the record, you don't distance yourself from these extremist, far-right hate groups. Duly noted. Not hard to tell who the pseudo klansmen are around here.

Jesus, Tibs, I had never heard of these clowns until a couple of days ago. I don't then waste my team googling some British ... whatever it is, reading their "manifesto" or whatever, and scouring the news for some tidbits on their activities to determine if they are lunatic fringe, fringe, or mainstream.

I suspect you don't either, and accept the description from a 3rd party. No issue with that, but then don't mandate that others accept your view on what others have told you about some other group.
 
Yeah, really great, stand-up organization for sure. A British MP was murdered in cold blood in their name a year or so ago. They are a dangerous, extremist, far right organization. Like the KKK and neo-nazis stateside. But you all distance yourselves from these groups, so I'm sure you'll do the same with the Brit version.

Dangerous? Have they killed?! I think the main guy from Britians First has been receiving death threats.
I can admit they are extremist in views. But with the given track record of islam, can you blame them?
 
**** off with that ****. It's a standard tactic of the left to lump all those that oppose it into the Fascist/Nazi category to justify using violence to silence dissenting opinion. You condemn the fringe element of the right while applauding and embracing the actions of your own fringe thug groups. Telling the truth about Muslim migrants supplanting the native culture and destroying western civilization is not racism.

Islam isn't a race anyway. It's a ****** up political ideology. Just like Mexico or any other countries asshats sneaking into our country are not a race. They're members of other countries and not races. I just ignore his dumb Hungarian socialist ***. What the **** does he know anyway.
 
I get that folks can be influenced by political ideology, but I'm beginning to think Mr. Tibs car only turns to the left, making his points impotent.
 
Interesting how sensitive you are to the needs and wants of fascists, the KKK and white supremacists. Those poor souls, they really deserve your concern. In the Charlottesville thread I clearly condemned all forms of violence, several times, including that by AntiFa, BLM. The picture you're referring to was a meme that simply pointed out that the US military, along with all Western, democratic countries, are anti-fascists at their core. But that too ruffled your precious feathers. Again, you have hurt feelings when it's pointed out the KKK, white supremacists et al are one and the same as the Nazis in Europe during WWII? Who's ******* side are you on? Make up your mind.



Thatta boy, that's how you keep things civil around here. Nice job.

Do you not realize that NAZI stands for National Socialist Party? Do you also not know that the KKK is a subdivision of the Democratic party?
 
Islam isn't a race anyway. It's a ****** up political ideology. Just like Mexico or any other countries asshats sneaking into our country are not a race. They're members of other countries and not races. I just ignore his dumb Hungarian socialist ***. What the **** does he know anyway.

And it's not the good ones sneaking in either.
That's the message that's trying to get across. But we're racist right?
 
And it's not the good ones sneaking in either.
That's the message that's trying to get across. But we're racist right?


It has zero to do with a race. That's the funny part. The amount of murder,rape and carnage from them around the world is something most folks would distance themselves from. Not liberals. Oh ,no. You're racist against a horrific oppression that's been a plague on the world since It's inception.
 
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