We will not live in our fears. Just in our stupidity.

[Punxsutawney]

F

Tomlin thought it was a good idea and was confident enough to put Landry in to pass on the 4th down fake FG, so why not put it in Landry's hands on 4th down at the 3? Tomlin is throwing darts, making **** it up as he goes. His gut is full of dog ****.



That right there is WHY we SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR IT. NO MATTER, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEPENDING ON OUR DEFENSE TO GET A STOP.
a). Go for it and don't make it, it is still 27-32. Down by 5, Seattle is pinned deep and will most likely run, run, pass. We are depending on our defense to get a stop.

b). Go for it and make it, it is then 33 (or 35 if we make the 2pt conv) to 32. Up by 1 (or 3), we kick off (**short kickoff**), then Seattle gets to the 25-35 yard line. We are depending on our defense to get a stop to win the game.

If you are going to go for the win (against San Diego) when you have a SURE tie to send it to overtime, the RIGHT CALL is to go for the win when you are 3 yards out and in position to take the lead.



** The SHORT KICKOFFS is a whole other topic. WHY THE **** can't we kick the ball out of the endzone??? Force the touch back. We all know our coverage unit is not that good and PRONE to mental errors. I'd be willing to bet some $$$ that Boz is being instructed by Tomlin to kick short to try to pin them inside the 20. **** that, we can't hardly ever pin them inside the 20, so why not kick it out of the endzone?

Exactly.

The rationale behind Tomlin's decision to not go for it on 4th and goal was directly contradicted by the decisions he made earlier in the game and this season, let alone his entire tenure with the Steelers.

As reflective of what I spoke to earlier, I do not buy the Roethlisberger concussion excuse, as Tomlin had no issue letting Jones throw off the bench in crucial situations earlier in the game/season.

The guy just retrospectively makes **** up to justify all the stupid **** he does. There is no accountability within this head coach, as it's ALWAYS the "we're" falling short, and being "below the line.'

Hey, Mikey, how about you own some of your own **** at some point?

 

[bigtwnvin]

I think Tomlin has done an excellent job keeping the team together and ready to play in the face of all the adversity that we have encountered this year.

Unfortunately because of all that adversity we simply cannot overcome in game coaching mistakes.

While everybody was blaming the kicker for the loss to the Ravens, it was Tomlin's coaching decisions that buried us. We were kicking when we should have been going for it and going for it when we should have been kicking. Exact same thing tonight. except now, we can't place the blame on some idiot kicker.

I heard some local radio guys (Starkey I think) say that Tomlin's coaching decisions have probably cost us two to possibly three games this year.....make that 4.

I still think we can run the table.......but at some point Tomlin has to learn from his mistakes.

The only way this Defense will allow the Steelers to "run the table" will be if the Offense scores 35-45 points per game. The safety, free safety and corner positions can't stop or cover receivers. Hasslebeck, Orweiler and even Schaub are licking their chops to have career passing stats. Even if there is a Defensive revelation, Tomlin will have "gut feelings", mismanage the clock and squander the efforts of the players.
But I appreciate your positive outlook Super Duper!

 

[paperclip]

I don't believe that ^.

It's up and down. The Defense has held other good quarterbacks to below season averages.

 

[jitter77]

Another thing about not using the Ben excuse is either way landry was going to have to make a game winning throw or drive. So that is a BS excuse

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Another thing about not using the Ben excuse is either way landry was going to have to make a game winning throw or drive. So that is a BS excuse

It is important.

First, you would be throwing in a cold QB and ask him to make a big play in a huge moment. Which would be difficult for a grizzled vet, let alone L.Jones. If Seattle would have stopped us (likely), we STILL would have required a stop from the defense. But NOW you would need a TD drive from a backup QB against one of the best defenses in the league

Option 1:
Kick FG: Highly Likely
Stop Seattle Offense: Unlikely
Landry gets us in FG range: Possible

Option 2:
Landry gets TD and 2pt: Highly Unlikely
Stop Seattle Defense: Unlikely

Option 3:
Landry does not get TD: Highly Likely
Stop Seattle Offense: Unlikely
Landry drives down field for TD: Highly unlikely

 

[Steel G]

It is important.

First, you would be throwing in a cold QB and ask him to make a big play in a huge moment. Which would be difficult for a grizzled vet, let alone L.Jones. If Seattle would have stopped us (likely), we STILL would have required a stop from the defense. But NOW you would need a TD drive from a backup QB against one of the best defenses in the league

Option 1:
Kick FG: Highly Likely
Stop Seattle Offense: Unlikely
Landry gets us in FG range: Possible

Option 2:
Landry gets TD and 2pt: Highly Unlikely
Stop Seattle Defense: Unlikely

Option 3:
Landry does not get TD: Highly Likely
Stop Seattle Offense: Unlikely
Landry drives down field for TD: Highly unlikely

Landry came in cold against Arizona and there was no problem there, so that excuse is bunk.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Landry came in cold against Arizona and there was no problem there, so that excuse is bunk.

Dude that is a totally different situation:

1.) That was a home game- as opposed to the loudest stadium in the league
2.) Jones came in in the 3rd during the Cardinals game, when we were only down 10-6 and already in FG range. The pressure in the SEA situation would have been unquestionably MUCH more difficult.
3.) Seattle's RZ defense stifled Big Ben all game. But somehow now you are confident L.Jones could buck the trend?

 

[Lunar]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/...hen-explaining-decision-to-come-out-game.html

After voluntarily removing himself from the game on Sunday, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was diagnosed with a traumatic ocular migraine, but said he is concussion-free. Roethlisberger came out of the game against the Seattle Seahawks to be checked for a concussion and said his family led to his decision.

 

[Steel G]

Dude that is a totally different situation:

1.) That was a home game- as opposed to the loudest stadium in the league
2.) Jones came in in the 3rd during the Cardinals game, when we were only down 10-6 and already in FG range. The pressure in the SEA situation would have been unquestionably MUCH more difficult.
3.) Seattle's RZ defense stifled Big Ben all game. But somehow now you are confident L.Jones could buck the trend?

Why the hell is Landry Jones on your team if you don't think he can go in and get a TD from the 3 yard line? This idea that you can't put him in "cold" is just ridiculous. This isn't freaking baseball. Tomlin supposedly doesn't live in his fears, and yet, suddenly he's gun shy cause he doesn't want his 2nd string QB leading his team from the 3? I'm sorry, that's bullshit and a total freaking cop out no matter what kind of spin you guys put on it.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Why the hell is Landry Jones on your team if you don't think he can go in and get a TD from the 3 yard line? This idea that you can't put him in "cold" is just ridiculous. This isn't freaking baseball. Tomlin supposedly doesn't live in his fears, and yet, suddenly he's gun shy cause he doesn't want his 2nd string QB leading his team from the 3? I'm sorry, that's bullshit and a total freaking cop out no matter what kind of spin you guys put on it.

Youre being sort of unreasonable in your rationale.

Half of the starting QB's couldnt go into Seattle's stadium and score from the 3 yard line against that defense. Let alone Landry Jones.

I trust Jones, with two timeouts, could drive us down the field for a FG.

I do not trust Jones or any backup QB to score a TD against Seattle at the 3 with only one shot. I also do not trust Jones or any backup QB to drive down the field for a game winning TD against Seattle.

 

[Pens]

LOL , this is a Seattle offense that gave up over 500 yards, not the great Seahawk defenses of the recent past. Most all QBs would salivate at that 3 yard play. You know the same defense Tomlin boldly and stupidly ran a 2 point play only up 2, did they suddenly become stellar despite giving up 536 yards ?

 

[steelerscotty]

My take:

Fake FG: Stupid. After a timeout? doubley so. What is it with trick plays that make players think they HAVE to run the play or throw the ball? I see it all the time on flea-flickers etc. Landry could've called time out (pre-snap recognition that their D saw it coming) or just thrown the ball away.

Last FG: With 2 time outs and the 2 min warning, with 3 plus on the clock, i don't have a problem taking the points there. Yes, i understand that our D pIay was pathetic, but if we don't make a TD we are just that much more behind. I also would not have had a problem going for it. With the amount of time left, to me, the logic behind either call is understandable.

The problem i do have with all the 4th down calls, as others have stated, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to Tomlin's thought process. You wanna go for it? Then EFFING go for it with your best players on the field!

 

[Steel G]

I do not trust Jones or any backup QB to score a TD against Seattle at the 3 with only one shot.

Amazing. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on here in quite some time.

 

[wig]

You can wet-dream about the high-powered offense all you want.

The team is still 6-5 and one game away from being another mid round draft pick winner. Which means another season of cap hell and likely mediocrity. Tomlin will manage to go somewhere in the range of 8-8 or 9-7. He'll save his *** because the team made the playoffs recently enough on a miracle and he'll puff his chest at the amazing offensive production of a team that barely manages to break .500

If that's not on the coaches, who is it on? We've had injuries, sure. I get that. Who brought in Mike frickin Vick? Honestly? Who brought in Josh ******* Scobee? Scobee single-handedly lost a division game that would have us in a playoff spot right now and perhaps even considering a possibility at the division. Instead we've given up a draft pick on a guy they cut 1/3 into the season.

Then we have Brandon Boykin. Another completely wasted draft pick. Here's a guy just sitting on the bench taking up money. We don't even know if this guy can play. I mean apparently he can't. So that's ANOTHER draft pick we've gifted out. Now given the fact that we'll be picking around 16 or 17 maybe that's not the end of the world - but we just don't have that many to waste.

I think Tomlin and his staff are ridiculously talented at finding receivers and running backs. They're gifted. I don't know if they have any other clear talents whatsoever. Tomlin can't manage clock. He can't gameplan, he can't prepare his players ahead of time, he can't script plays, he can't adjust at halftime, he can't challenge plays, he can't talk to the media without sounding like a computer generated quote plagiariser and here's what I hate the very most... I really used to like him. I truly wanted him to succeed. I was excited and fired up when he came here. Admittedly I hated seeing Cowher go, but I felt he was worn out and that it was time for Coach C. to hang it up. But Tomlin has just proven to be - well Tomlin.

And I know people hang on the fact that Tomlin has this great record... Look at our ******* division. We have the Browns and the Bengals people. Until this year the Bengals have been ******* useless. And we all know they'll be useless again. We know what the Bengals are. The Ravens have been completely decimated by injury and they lost half their core over the last couple years. **** we're like the ******* P*ts right now playing in a cripple ******* division. Ya, I'll say it. We OUGHT to be kicking ******* ***. Playing 8-8 or 9-7 in this division is embarrassing. Particularly with one of the 4 or 5 best QBs in the league and the receiving corps we have and the RBs we have. The fact that he defense has been allowed to turn to **** under Tomlin's tenure is a damn crime. It's just ******* ridiculous.

Ok. I'm done now. I'll go have a juice box and watch some comedy shows. I'm sorry I got animated.

 

[Acereros]

Dude that is a totally different situation:

3.) Seattle's RZ defense stifled Big Ben all game. But somehow now you are confident L.Jones could buck the trend?

Youre being sort of unreasonable in your rationale.

Half of the starting QB's couldnt go into Seattle's stadium and score from the 3 yard line against that defense. Let alone Landry Jones.

I trust Jones, with two timeouts, could drive us down the field for a FG.

I do not trust Jones or any backup QB to score a TD against Seattle at the 3 with only one shot. I also do not trust Jones or any backup QB to drive down the field for a game winning TD against Seattle.

I'm glad your rationale is very reasonable. From your comments it is very clear that backup QBs should not even dress up when their team are playing against Seattle. On another note, do the Steelers not have one of the highest 2 point conversions in the league?

 

[Steelerfan]

You can wet-dream about the high-powered offense all you want.

The team is still 6-5 and one game away from being another mid round draft pick winner. Which means another season of cap hell and likely mediocrity. Tomlin will manage to go somewhere in the range of 8-8 or 9-7. He'll save his *** because the team made the playoffs recently enough on a miracle and he'll puff his chest at the amazing offensive production of a team that barely manages to break .500

If that's not on the coaches, who is it on? We've had injuries, sure. I get that. Who brought in Mike frickin Vick? Honestly? Who brought in Josh ******* Scobee? Scobee single-handedly lost a division game that would have us in a playoff spot right now and perhaps even considering a possibility at the division. Instead we've given up a draft pick on a guy they cut 1/3 into the season.

Then we have Brandon Boykin. Another completely wasted draft pick. Here's a guy just sitting on the bench taking up money. We don't even know if this guy can play. I mean apparently he can't. So that's ANOTHER draft pick we've gifted out. Now given the fact that we'll be picking around 16 or 17 maybe that's not the end of the world - but we just don't have that many to waste.

I think Tomlin and his staff are ridiculously talented at finding receivers and running backs. They're gifted. I don't know if they have any other clear talents whatsoever. Tomlin can't manage clock. He can't gameplan, he can't prepare his players ahead of time, he can't script plays, he can't adjust at halftime, he can't challenge plays, he can't talk to the media without sounding like a computer generated quote plagiariser and here's what I hate the very most... I really used to like him. I truly wanted him to succeed. I was excited and fired up when he came here. Admittedly I hated seeing Cowher go, but I felt he was worn out and that it was time for Coach C. to hang it up. But Tomlin has just proven to be - well Tomlin.

And I know people hang on the fact that Tomlin has this great record... Look at our ******* division. We have the Browns and the Bengals people. Until this year the Bengals have been ******* useless. And we all know they'll be useless again. We know what the Bengals are. The Ravens have been completely decimated by injury and they lost half their core over the last couple years. **** we're like the ******* P*ts right now playing in a cripple ******* division. Ya, I'll say it. We OUGHT to be kicking ******* ***. Playing 8-8 or 9-7 in this division is embarrassing. Particularly with one of the 4 or 5 best QBs in the league and the receiving corps we have and the RBs we have. The fact that he defense has been allowed to turn to **** under Tomlin's tenure is a damn crime. It's just ******* ridiculous.

Ok. I'm done now. I'll go have a juice box and watch some comedy shows. I'm sorry I got animated.

Uh, that's more than 140 characters.

 

[blitzburghv5]

You can wet-dream about the high-powered offense all you want.

The team is still 6-5 and one game away from being another mid round draft pick winner. Which means another season of cap hell and likely mediocrity. Tomlin will manage to go somewhere in the range of 8-8 or 9-7. He'll save his *** because the team made the playoffs recently enough on a miracle and he'll puff his chest at the amazing offensive production of a team that barely manages to break .500

If that's not on the coaches, who is it on? We've had injuries, sure. I get that. Who brought in Mike frickin Vick? Honestly? Who brought in Josh ******* Scobee? Scobee single-handedly lost a division game that would have us in a playoff spot right now and perhaps even considering a possibility at the division. Instead we've given up a draft pick on a guy they cut 1/3 into the season.

Then we have Brandon Boykin. Another completely wasted draft pick. Here's a guy just sitting on the bench taking up money. We don't even know if this guy can play. I mean apparently he can't. So that's ANOTHER draft pick we've gifted out. Now given the fact that we'll be picking around 16 or 17 maybe that's not the end of the world - but we just don't have that many to waste.

I think Tomlin and his staff are ridiculously talented at finding receivers and running backs. They're gifted. I don't know if they have any other clear talents whatsoever. Tomlin can't manage clock. He can't gameplan, he can't prepare his players ahead of time, he can't script plays, he can't adjust at halftime, he can't challenge plays, he can't talk to the media without sounding like a computer generated quote plagiariser and here's what I hate the very most... I really used to like him. I truly wanted him to succeed. I was excited and fired up when he came here. Admittedly I hated seeing Cowher go, but I felt he was worn out and that it was time for Coach C. to hang it up. But Tomlin has just proven to be - well Tomlin.

And I know people hang on the fact that Tomlin has this great record... Look at our ******* division. We have the Browns and the Bengals people. Until this year the Bengals have been ******* useless. And we all know they'll be useless again. We know what the Bengals are. The Ravens have been completely decimated by injury and they lost half their core over the last couple years. **** we're like the ******* P*ts right now playing in a cripple ******* division. Ya, I'll say it. We OUGHT to be kicking ******* ***. Playing 8-8 or 9-7 in this division is embarrassing. Particularly with one of the 4 or 5 best QBs in the league and the receiving corps we have and the RBs we have. The fact that he defense has been allowed to turn to **** under Tomlin's tenure is a damn crime. It's just ******* ridiculous.

Ok. I'm done now. I'll go have a juice box and watch some comedy shows. I'm sorry I got animated.

This division is nowhere near as ****** as the AFC East...........how you surmise that, ill never understand. Just look at the QB talent in the AFCE....Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and then Brady...........outside of Brady, who is there to be concerned with ? Now, take a look at the AFCN QB talent.........McCown/Manzie, Flacco, Dalton, and Ben. 3 of 4 of those have been to the playoffs, selected to the Pro Bowl and 2 played in/won a SB. A couple seasons ago the AFCN was the toughest division in the league. Those teams in the East have very little talent over the last 10 years. Not a single pro bowl QB outside of Brady in over a decade.

And you say the Bengals have been useless until this year ? They've won 31 games the last three season......I didn't realize 31 wins in three years was putrid.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I'm glad your rationale is very reasonable. From your comments it is very clear that backup QBs should not even dress up when their team are playing against Seattle. On another note, do the Steelers not have one of the highest 2 point conversions in the league?

Yes, Ben is extremely efficient going for 2 this year

Landry, on the other hand, is 0-1 during 2pt conversions.

 

[wig]

Our division isn't ******? Well, the Bengals are doing well, but the Steelers, Ravens and Browns have terrible records. I don't know how you can suggest the division isn't ******. Nobody in the AFCN aside from the Bengals are even sniffing the playoffs right now. How does that equate with a strong division?

As for Brady... Anybody can look good when you know precisely what the defense is doing on every snap. I have no respect for him whatsoever.

 

[topseed]

Yes, Ben is extremely efficient going for 2 this year

Landry, on the other hand, is 0-1 during 2pt conversions.

I don't know why you keep on bringing up Landry Jones in this circumstance. There is no way Ben was going to come off the field for that fourth down play, unless he was instructed to do so by your hero Tomlin.

 

[Coryea]

The concussion thing is irrelevant, Tomlin didn't have any clue Ben was hurt or whatever when he made that call, so that can't be used as a reason. Tomlin gave the dumbest reason for kicking a FG, he want to send his defense out there on a positive note???

Why go for the win vs SD, but not 6 here?

 

[Steel G]

Why go for the win vs SD, but not 6 here?

Apparently because nobody ever dares try for a TD inside the 5 against the Hawks. They are like the '85 Bears, Steel Curtain, Purple People Eaters and No Name Defense all rolled into one. Forget that they've given up 27 or more points 6 times this year, that's just a minor quibble. These guys will eat back up QBs for breakfast and crap them out by lunch.

 

[madinsomniac]

Tomlin isnt as bad as some here make him out to be... he is no hall of famer or anything, but most coaches make poor decisions especially late in games and in this NFL the strategic agressor almost always wins. Its hard to hold leads and the run game is irrelivent. all the coaching strategy since the advent of the forward pass is kind of in upheaval. it may just be time to move outside the old school football coaching trees to find new talent... the old stuff isnt sound right now

 

[antdrewjosh]

Wouldn't of been any decisions if Ben throws the ball to DWill wide open instead of taking off. Multiple reasons led to the lost not one decision.

 

[SteelerAl]

Why go for the win vs SD, but not 6 here?

I hate conflating the two decisions. They are not the same at all. If we "go for the win" in Seattle, that means (if successful) that we have either a 1 point lead or a 3 point lead and will kickoff to the Seahawks with 3 minutes left in the game (and they have 2 timeouts). And in this case, the Seahawks are playing 4-down offense on every series.

To me, going for 6 vs. going for 3 in that situation is basically a coin-flip decision. There is no right or wrong. The game still comes down to whether our defense is able to make a stop vs. Russell Wilson.