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Well this should have the you arn't a true fan if bunch in an uproar.

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Steelers depot posted what passes for an article ranking the steelers starters (projected) for 2014 against the rest of the league. Steelers rank 27th overall, behind the browns at number 24. This is like golf not bowling the lower number is better.
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...jected-2014-starters-ranked-27th-overall-pff/
 
I guess I am not a real fan. I could give 2 ***** what pff writes
 
Thing is, based on their rating system, our last 2 SB teams would have been ranked about the same. Maybe a bit better on defense and much worse on offense, IMO. Hard to argue with some of their evaluations BUT they really don't mean much. We won with worse and lost with better talent in the past.
 
Truth, will often trumps talent in this league... Thing is we need both at this stage coming off back to back 8-8. At least we ended the right way as opposed to the previous 8-8 collapse. I think this bunch overachieves it's way to 9-11 win, but I am an eternal optimist.
 
Remember a few years ago when the Eagles put together a defense that was going to be sooo dominate?
 
A lot of writers are taking PFF as gospel. It seems as though some readers are getting tired of it.
 
I just thought it was quite a contrast to Ben's statement that he thought they would have a fast high scoring offense this year. He thought Archer would be good because of his speed and I think he mentioned some others as well, just thought it was quite a contrast to the 27th in the league business ranked behind the mistake by the lake.
 
Never thought much of PFF. They treat Football like baseball and try to individualize all stats rather than evaluate based on team defense.
 
A lot of writers are taking PFF as gospel. It seems as though some readers are getting tired of it.

This is the problem with PFF, they are selling their own subjective opinion as objective fact just because they came up with a grading scale so they can assign everybody a number.

They look at each play and give + or - based on the outcome. The problem is it's not that simple. You watch Ike get beat in one on one coverage and they give him a -. You watch Richard Sherman break up a pass and give him a +. Seems reasonable except there are too many variables left out.

Last year Ike was in many no win situations. They'd ask him to play the other team's top WR often times with no safety help or poor safety help. That changes how tight you can play a guy.

It's easy to see Sherman playing so tight on a WR and think he's the greatest ever but you have to realize the reason he can play that tight is because he has outstanding safety support and a great pass rush. Sherman doesn;t have to worry about double moves because the QB won;t have enough time. He doesn't have to worry about giving up deep balls because his Safeties are so good behind him. This means Sherman can play as tight as he wants and take big chances. It's a huge advantage.

Contrast that with Ike and he had a weak pass rush and no safety help. He has to worry about double moves and getting beat deep because he has no help much of the time. That means you can complete underneath throws against him at a high % and there's not much he can do about it. He can't jump those routes.

There is a reason why baseball is a stat sport and football is not. In baseball you are looking at 500+ at bats so it's a fair comparison to rank players by stats because in a full year, they've all faced roughly the same pitchers in each league.

Football doesn't work that way. You have to account for opponent, scheme, injury, and the players around them.
 
Great analysis Tape, thank you for your time / effort. This time of year, so many things mean absolutely nothing. Most articles are just tring to maintain readership. Some strong, some fail, but most have no outcome on whats to come, football wise!


Salute the nation
 
That settles it. Cleveland Browns, here I come.
 
This is the problem with PFF, they are selling their own subjective opinion as objective fact just because they came up with a grading scale so they can assign everybody a number.

They look at each play and give + or - based on the outcome. The problem is it's not that simple. You watch Ike get beat in one on one coverage and they give him a -. You watch Richard Sherman break up a pass and give him a +. Seems reasonable except there are too many variables left out.

Last year Ike was in many no win situations. They'd ask him to play the other team's top WR often times with no safety help or poor safety help. That changes how tight you can play a guy.



It's easy to see Sherman playing so tight on a WR and think he's the greatest ever but you have to realize the reason he can play that tight is because he has outstanding safety support and a great pass rush. Sherman doesn;t have to worry about double moves because the QB won;t have enough time. He doesn't have to worry about giving up deep balls because his Safeties are so good behind him. This means Sherman can play as tight as he wants and take big chances. It's a huge advantage.

Contrast that with Ike and he had a weak pass rush and no safety help. He has to worry about double moves and getting beat deep because he has no help much of the time. That means you can complete underneath throws against him at a high % and there's not much he can do about it. He can't jump those routes.

There is a reason why baseball is a stat sport and football is not. In baseball you are looking at 500+ at bats so it's a fair comparison to rank players by stats because in a full year, they've all faced roughly the same pitchers in each league.

Football doesn't work that way. You have to account for opponent, scheme, injury, and the players around them.

Nice post tape. I actually think you are giving those guys too much credit. I suspect they do not take a lot of things into account as type of coverage on each play, state of the other players and the responsibilities each player has. I also think they might not be watching the plays but looking at some stats and drawing conclusions from that. We also know that many of the stats are garbage in themselves as for example Tackles, Ray Lewis is likely leading all retired players in tackles again this year.
 
Nice post tape. I actually think you are giving those guys too much credit. I suspect they do not take a lot of things into account as type of coverage on each play, state of the other players and the responsibilities each player has. I also think they might not be watching the plays but looking at some stats and drawing conclusions from that. We also know that many of the stats are garbage in themselves as for example Tackles, Ray Lewis is likely leading all retired players in tackles again this year.

I believe there are a number of teams that use PFF gradings. The Steelers are not one of them.
 
I believe there are a number of teams that use PFF gradings. The Steelers are not one of them.


I'm sure the Cleveland Browns do !!! Anything to get ranked higher than the Steelers.


Salute the nation
 
Rankings before the year don't matter..rankings during the season don't matter... I don't care if they list us 47th behind a few college teams. the only rankings that matters are the superbowl winner and to a lesser extent, the draft order...
 
Steelers depot posted what passes for an article ranking the steelers starters (projected) for 2014 against the rest of the league. Steelers rank 27th overall, behind the browns at number 24. This is like golf not bowling the lower number is better.
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...jected-2014-starters-ranked-27th-overall-pff/

do stains fans make hats for that achievement?
 
The Steelers added the missing piece this off season. the one variable they have been missing on defense, in the locker room, and that is Joey "they shot me in Denver" Porter. Beating teams you need to beat is easy...beating the lousy teams is what the Steelers failed to do last season and that comes down to leadership and attitude. Joey has that in spades.
 
The Steelers added the missing piece this off season. the one variable they have been missing on defense, in the locker room, and that is Joey "they shot me in Denver" Porter. Beating teams you need to beat is easy...beating the lousy teams is what the Steelers failed to do last season and that comes down to leadership and attitude. Joey has that in spades.

Not to minimize the impact of Joey from a leadership point, but he is just an asst. coach. After the coaches do their job, the players still have to play, and there are questions about how that is going to work out that won't be answered til the season begins
 
Joey is a badass when he has his pose with him, Other than that he's not one of the all time steeler bad ***'s. Sorry he's just not Now if Greg Lloyd was a coach that would be a different story
 
Uh yah, Greg Lloyd had no one to help him right? Greene Kickland Brown etc. And if you're speaking of off the field I'm pretty sure you have no proof of anything. I doubt you'd want to be walking down a dark ally and run into JP.
 
Steelers feel Porter will light a spark, and are hoping that indeed is what will result.

Players have to play sure, but young players sometimes need that little extra to point them in the right direction.

Kevin Green had a impact in Green Bay.

Hopefully Peezy will have a similar impact if not better in Pittsburgh.
 
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