Nice quote, Yoda...
What to do with Jarvis Jones if (by some miracle) he does not start.
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Nice quote, Yoda...
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And it took a great coach like Bill Belichick to use him in all those creative ways.
Do you really think Mike Tomlin can do the same? Really?
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But, since Tomlin has valued versatility at all positions since he's been here, I'd say there's a fair shot that he wouldn't have a problem moving a guy around who is multi-position capable. But, since y'all say that Tomlin actually does very little coaching and has little to no actual power (except for the draft), my guess would be that it depends on what Butler tells him to do with the kid.
But, since Tomlin has valued versatility at all positions since he's been here, I'd say there's a fair shot that he wouldn't have a problem moving a guy around who is multi-position capable. But, since y'all say that Tomlin actually does very little coaching and has little to no actual power (except for the draft), my guess would be that it depends on what Butler tells him to do with the kid.
There is something I never quite understood about Vrabel getting all those TDs playing TE, another position he played. Wouldn't you think the defense would know after the first time he caught one? At least the 2nd time. All defenses would be prepared? "Hey, 56 is in the game. Cover him." It isn't like he was running an intricate route that a regular TE couldn't do. It was always at the goal line, too. Didn't Houston put JJ Watt in at TE this past season and he caught one? Defense didn't seem to realize 99 musta been in there for a reason?
There is a fine line between creative brilliance by a coach and abject stupidity by the other team. This to me is skirting that line.
no, no, no
Tomlin has no say-so unless he's implementing something on either side of the ball that is not going to work.
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If you don't care that Cowher couldn't why would you care that Tomlin couldn't? Picked 91st overall and was gone from the team after four years.
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I'm all for better pl;ayers better team. To many better players, seems to be a nice problem to have. LET's just hope these new guys are better players................ worth the problem???
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Is injury prone in his NFL career an accurate description? Broken wrist looked like it came from an unusual happenstance during a play (in which he directly or indirectly caused a fumble) rather than a routine play in which he was injured. A broken wrist would hamper any ability to keep/build his upper body strength and, when he came back later in the year, I think that showed.
I may have forgotten some other injuries, though.
The fact is that, if he cannot play, he cannot play (regardless of the reason) and has no value to the team. Not a lot of room for debate there. If he can perform in, at least, a back up role, he would, then, add value to the team. Depending upon his status at the end of his rookie contract, it will be then that his value is determined.
One fear might be that he continues to struggle this year and has a great year (or above average) the next season causing his value to increase artificially, where the FO might decide they were right all along and overpay him. Seems unlikely, I would think.
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no, no, no
Tomlin has say in everything unless it doesn't work. Bad draft? Colbert is the problem... oh and LeBeau. But not Tomlin. Haley sucks? Tomlin was told to hire him. Haley has a great year? Tomlin is a genius for hiring Haley.
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When isn't Jones injured?
Vrable was a casualty on this team because of the talent ahead of him. There were better players starting and they could not pay him enough to keep him and he was of an age that he was not likely to be the replacement for the guys ahead of him too close to the same age. So he left the steelers due to a situation that happened sometimes they were really overloaded with talent at a position, something we have not seen for a long time. I do not believe that Belicheat** is a great coach, just that Vrable was a very good and very talented player who I wished they had found a way to keep on the team.
It was Cowher that dumped Vrabel, not Tomlinczak
Wow, what a stable of talent in 2000:
Linebackers
57 John Fiala ILB
92 Jason Gildon OLB
53 Clark Haggans OLB
50 Earl Holmes ILB
90 Donnel Thompson LB
99 Levon Kirkland ILB
55 Joey Porter OLB
56 Mike Vrabel OLB
Linebackers
57 John Fiala ILB
92 Jason Gildon OLB
53 Clark Haggans OLB
50 Earl Holmes ILB
90 Donnel Thompson LB
99 Levon Kirkland ILB
55 Joey Porter OLB
56 Mike Vrabel OLB
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Gildon, Holmes, Kirkland and Porter were a great group, better than anything Tomlin has trotted out.
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36 Sacks just between those 4. Three more than the entire defense last year lol.
And before someone says "bu bu bu Cowher's players", Woodley and Timmons accounted for nearly half of that number.,
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Nope, I'd take Greene, Kirkland, Lloyd and Chad Brown,
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I hate to even weigh in on the JJ subject BUT after watching (and re-watching, boredom, no football) the 2004 Giants game dubbed "Big Ben vs Eli" I feel it justified.
Everyone in the NFL knows Deebo is still our greatest talent at OLB, even at his age because he is exceptional at taking care of his body and preparing. This said, we have to have a plan moving forward at the ROLB position IF JJ cannot be "the guy". Obviously the best case scenario is JJ becomes that guy and can stay healthy. If not, this year, we will see more of Deebo than early reports have let on. This is NOT a problem for this year as NOBODY will convince me that anyone could do better in any case. Next year, we would move Moats back to ROLB (where I believe he is best suited AND better than JJ anyway) Moats has the size, quickness and arm length to work at ROLB. He is also a high-energy player and has only played at ROLB part-time for one year (out-performing JJ in that time).
The POTENTIAL is there for JJ to get it together. Whether or not he will is to be seen. In watching the 2004 game, it made me realize that Deebo wasn't always the Deebo we have come to respect. He played most of the whole game at LOLB (rotating w 'Zo, who looked awful). The move was necessitated by the Haggan's injury. While Deebo looked like a high-effort player, he also looked undersized (he was playing at a much lower weight #245 than his formidable years). JJ's freshman year on the team came close to matching Deebo's statistically. In fact, Deebo really didn't get over 3 sacks and 45 combined tackles until he was forced into a starting role when Porter left for Miami. He managed to double his tackle numbers(98) AND registered 8.5 sacks in his first year starting full-time at ROLB. He did better than Joey at the position as well. Harrison has always been a more aggressive run-support player. He managed more tackles/assists than Joey had in his career here or anywhere. It left us wondering, wow, where did this guy come from? We must also remember, he brought his weight up considerably (even though the Steelers still listed him at 242#). We know now that he was playing at close to, if not over 270# ('Nati listed him at 275#).
JJ was a polarizing pick to most of us because his measurables and college film didn't show an "explosive" player. He was neither fast nor athletic for the position as we have known it. He has managed to remain polarizing because of where he was picked and the expectations that come w a pick that high. If he were a 3rd rounder, he would probably not be much of a topic, IMO. My point is, the future DPOY was not much of a player when he first saw the field either. He flashed some, but for the most part, he looked like what he was...a back-up plan. When he decided to stop trying to be what he wasn't and use his leverage, (along w adding weight and strength) he became a dominant force. Not saying JJ has the "drive" Deebo had to stay on the field but in watching old film of Deebo, it could happen.
Now, the "glass is half-empty version"...I believe we are set at OLB for this year even IF JJ doesn't 'cut the mustard'. Here's why:
Moats can move back to ROLB next year and has more potential than JJ, Porter or Deebo to do well at the position at the same stage of time played at the position. Why? He is built for the ROLB spot. He is fast/quick enough and has the 'motor' to play ROLB. He also looked better than any of the aforementioned players in his first year of part-time work at ROLB. He ALSO has the longest arms on the team at OLB. (for the record, AM-33 3/4", JJ 33", BD 32 5/8", AC 33 1/2") It is possible that between Bud and Chick that we get a decent LOLB by the end of the year. This leaves Moats, JJ and a soon to be retired JH at ROLB.
I hope JJ can pull it off BUT if he doesn't, it's not the end of the world...just another bad pick at the position from this tenure.
Everyone in the NFL knows Deebo is still our greatest talent at OLB, even at his age because he is exceptional at taking care of his body and preparing. This said, we have to have a plan moving forward at the ROLB position IF JJ cannot be "the guy". Obviously the best case scenario is JJ becomes that guy and can stay healthy. If not, this year, we will see more of Deebo than early reports have let on. This is NOT a problem for this year as NOBODY will convince me that anyone could do better in any case. Next year, we would move Moats back to ROLB (where I believe he is best suited AND better than JJ anyway) Moats has the size, quickness and arm length to work at ROLB. He is also a high-energy player and has only played at ROLB part-time for one year (out-performing JJ in that time).
The POTENTIAL is there for JJ to get it together. Whether or not he will is to be seen. In watching the 2004 game, it made me realize that Deebo wasn't always the Deebo we have come to respect. He played most of the whole game at LOLB (rotating w 'Zo, who looked awful). The move was necessitated by the Haggan's injury. While Deebo looked like a high-effort player, he also looked undersized (he was playing at a much lower weight #245 than his formidable years). JJ's freshman year on the team came close to matching Deebo's statistically. In fact, Deebo really didn't get over 3 sacks and 45 combined tackles until he was forced into a starting role when Porter left for Miami. He managed to double his tackle numbers(98) AND registered 8.5 sacks in his first year starting full-time at ROLB. He did better than Joey at the position as well. Harrison has always been a more aggressive run-support player. He managed more tackles/assists than Joey had in his career here or anywhere. It left us wondering, wow, where did this guy come from? We must also remember, he brought his weight up considerably (even though the Steelers still listed him at 242#). We know now that he was playing at close to, if not over 270# ('Nati listed him at 275#).
JJ was a polarizing pick to most of us because his measurables and college film didn't show an "explosive" player. He was neither fast nor athletic for the position as we have known it. He has managed to remain polarizing because of where he was picked and the expectations that come w a pick that high. If he were a 3rd rounder, he would probably not be much of a topic, IMO. My point is, the future DPOY was not much of a player when he first saw the field either. He flashed some, but for the most part, he looked like what he was...a back-up plan. When he decided to stop trying to be what he wasn't and use his leverage, (along w adding weight and strength) he became a dominant force. Not saying JJ has the "drive" Deebo had to stay on the field but in watching old film of Deebo, it could happen.
Now, the "glass is half-empty version"...I believe we are set at OLB for this year even IF JJ doesn't 'cut the mustard'. Here's why:
Moats can move back to ROLB next year and has more potential than JJ, Porter or Deebo to do well at the position at the same stage of time played at the position. Why? He is built for the ROLB spot. He is fast/quick enough and has the 'motor' to play ROLB. He also looked better than any of the aforementioned players in his first year of part-time work at ROLB. He ALSO has the longest arms on the team at OLB. (for the record, AM-33 3/4", JJ 33", BD 32 5/8", AC 33 1/2") It is possible that between Bud and Chick that we get a decent LOLB by the end of the year. This leaves Moats, JJ and a soon to be retired JH at ROLB.
I hope JJ can pull it off BUT if he doesn't, it's not the end of the world...just another bad pick at the position from this tenure.
In spring OTA's it was said that the plan was for Deebo to play 25 or so snaps a game but I was thinking it would end up being more. That being said, I would be extremely surprised if he doesn't hang 'em up for good after this year.
You're seeing it now at ILB and WR ... just saying.
I do not see us overloaded at inside backer right now with talent. We have some players how many do you think could leave this team and start on another, and be good starters? Wide out is different but there are often three on the field at the same time and this is a good group. Brown could start anywhere in the league, Bryant and Wheaton could be good players for another team but after them who do we have that could be a good starter? We are not forced to let someone go with exceptional talent there. We do have a good group of starters though. It takes a combination of skill and luck to hit on enough guys to have to let someone real good go to another team because you are loaded at that position.
Coats maybe something in the future right now he is learning. If he turns out like Bryant he could be something at the early part of the season which would be great. Right now it does not look like we will be losing a star player because of cap hit or numbers to me.