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What Would You Demand in a Trade for AB?
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Except Rice was a true pro and leader with SB rings, not a headcase who misses practices, team meetings and abandons his teammates. What franchise is willing to part with multiple high picks for a locker room cancer?
to Carolina for their 1st and 3rd
then I'd take Raekwon Davis with the Panthers pick at 13 and Mack Wilson with our pick at 20.
Brian Burns with our 2nd round pick
Jamel Dean with the Panthers third round pick
then I'd take Raekwon Davis with the Panthers pick at 13 and Mack Wilson with our pick at 20.
Brian Burns with our 2nd round pick
Jamel Dean with the Panthers third round pick
Watching NFL network and they are talking about panic in the Steelers organization with all of the young talent in our division to go along with what is happening inside our own building. I tend to agree and hope this will force Rooney to get rid of Tomlin. Tomlin has run his course. I'd even be open to another young no name guy like Tomlin and Cowher were when they arrived. But, I do believe Tomlin must go and must go now. This team has been forced to rebuild but we have a head start on it.
That may be Tomlins biggest issue, he has yet to rebuild this defense from when he took over in 2007. I think it's time to move on as well, but if they don't, they need to bring in a DC like Greg Williams of someone like him who has been very successful, and allow him full control of that defense.
Coryea, Full control is the key. Tomlin needs to stay out of it completely.
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We'll probably trade him for a 3rd round pick and that team will trade him again for two #1's.
Too much emotion in this thread regarding AB's trade value. It's a business. AB is a current asset. Nothing more. Forget sentiment, forget anger, forget admiration. He's an asset.
On that front, he is a 30 (soon to be 31) year old WR. His game is built upon his speed and more his change of direction speed and quickness. He's a "quick twitch" athlete but, at 5-10, 180, he is small for the position based upon today's game. NFL GM's are not stupid, well most of them are not stupid. No player with skills based upon speed and quickness ever improved with age beyond 30. AB is as good now at 30-31 as he will ever be going forward. He will likely maintain his current level of ability for some time into the future but make no mistake, he will start to slow down, he will lose speed, he will lose quickness at some point by his mid-30's at the latest. Father Time will erode AB like all others before.
If AB was 26 then maybe, maybe you can see multiple high draft picks in a trade. At 30-31, we will be lucky to get a top 10 draft pick and certainly will not get multiple high 1st round picks, even if in different years. If we can get a top 10 pick and anything else with it such as a mid-round pick or a serviceable player who can fit a need then take it. Be done with him. Don't have his huge cap hit on this roster when he starts to lose those skills. I don't want him in a Steelers uniform with a $10+ cap hit at age 34. He will not be the same player at that age. But by then, we don't have Ben anymore and wouldn't need an old WR for the coming rebuild. Move while there is a chance to move. Get what we can get while the asset still has near peak value.
On that front, he is a 30 (soon to be 31) year old WR. His game is built upon his speed and more his change of direction speed and quickness. He's a "quick twitch" athlete but, at 5-10, 180, he is small for the position based upon today's game. NFL GM's are not stupid, well most of them are not stupid. No player with skills based upon speed and quickness ever improved with age beyond 30. AB is as good now at 30-31 as he will ever be going forward. He will likely maintain his current level of ability for some time into the future but make no mistake, he will start to slow down, he will lose speed, he will lose quickness at some point by his mid-30's at the latest. Father Time will erode AB like all others before.
If AB was 26 then maybe, maybe you can see multiple high draft picks in a trade. At 30-31, we will be lucky to get a top 10 draft pick and certainly will not get multiple high 1st round picks, even if in different years. If we can get a top 10 pick and anything else with it such as a mid-round pick or a serviceable player who can fit a need then take it. Be done with him. Don't have his huge cap hit on this roster when he starts to lose those skills. I don't want him in a Steelers uniform with a $10+ cap hit at age 34. He will not be the same player at that age. But by then, we don't have Ben anymore and wouldn't need an old WR for the coming rebuild. Move while there is a chance to move. Get what we can get while the asset still has near peak value.
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you wouldn't trade up into the top 10 to pick Ed Oliver?
i pretty much agree with what you said, but it only takes one GM/Head Coach that thinks he can be the missing piece. I think in a west coast offense would be a perfect fit for AB, but again if I'm the Steelers, I'm trading his *** to a team with no QB in the NFC, if he wants to act like an ***, disrespect the entire organization, then good go see how well you do on a **** team with a crap QB.
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I suggested trading Brown to the Raiders for their 4th and 25th round pick. This would give the Steelers three first round picks, players we have rights to for 5 years at a cheaper cap number.
While the cap hit would be tough, its only for ONE year. We can pay multiple players Brown cap space in 2020, and 2021.
I would also be okay trading Brown straight up for Ramsey.
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Brown is worth more than that. We are talking about the best WR in the game, proven to be durable and very productive.
You are NOT getting the 4th and 25th from Oakland. You MIGHT be able to get their 25th and 27th however. The Raiders have to evaluate if Las Vegas is a good fit for someone like AB or is it only going to feed his ego and make more issues in the long run.
He is 30 years old, a proven locker room cancer, that walked out on his team. His value is not going to be nearly as high as you think it is.
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Did a team just hire Mike Ditka as GM?
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If a team wants AB then you must absolutely demand that the team gives up multiple premium picks. One first does not compensate for AB, it just is not enough. I'd want 2- firsts in the 2019 draft , and possibly a 3'rd in the 2020 draft with the 3'rd escalating to a 2nd based on performance, and not anything less.If you can't get equal value you do not move him.
Never in a million years are you getting all of that for Brown. You can take what you can get or you have another year of these distractions next year. Getting rid of a locker room cancer that has lost the respect of his team mates is worth quite a bit of value. The Steelers have to fix the 3 ring circus that they created and it is not going to be equal value.
Don't underestimate a team feeling like they need a superstar to help them get over the top and giving up the farm to get them. ABs locker room behavior has been child's play compared to T.O. and look at how many teams gambled on him (and at that age).
When can teams start making trades and when would it be smart for us trade him?
The new season begins March 13th I believe so that is the first day he can be officially traded, but can field offers whenever, or verbally agree.
Also to get top price all you need is two teams really wanting him. I’m sure multiple teams would be interested even with all the baggage.
I don't remember TO ever quitting on his team either. Again, you might get 2 LATE first round picks, you are not getting a top 5 pick plus another first round pick for Brown. Some fans have some serious delusions if they think that is what they are getting for Brown.