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Who should start vs the Colts?

Steelr4evr said:
I'd let Mitch start a half next game and if he doesn't get **** done, then put Mason in just to shut everyone up. It's the same ****** playbook and coaches,if you're looking for magic,go see a David Copperfield show.
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Do magic shows have a semblance of an NFL offense in them ?

How tall is Copperfield and what kind of arm strength does he have?


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jitter77 said:
I don't see us beating the Colts, maybe Bengals
Here is Rudolph's report

Overview
Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

Here is Mitchs

Overview
Trubisky is a high-end quarterback prospect who possesses NFL size, a big arm and the ability to throw with accuracy from the pocket or on the move. Despite playing in a spread-based offense, he's a full-field reader who does a very good job of getting an early read on the safeties before crafting his course of action. Trubisky will have to become much more pocket aware and do a better job of recognizing and attacking blitzes to back NFL defensive coordinators off. He hasn't put all the pieces together yet, but the puzzle is all right in front. Trubisky projects as a good starting quarterback with a high floor and the potential to be great.
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Mitch did not have a big arm coming out of college. Neither did Mason. Both have NFL arms but they aren’t Favre, Roethlisberger or Mahomes. Whoever wrote that about Trubisky doesn’t know football.
 
Ok here is the reality… we probably are going to beat the Colts because somehow we always win the week after a Thursday night game… now it is on a Saturday, and typically we suck on Saturdays in the modern era, but usually it’s on a short week.. So we will beat them…
Then Cinci at home is a toss up…
Seattle is definitely a loss..

So it just comes down to the Ravens in Baltimore and whether Lamar plays that game or not… I mean he can’t play vs Tomlin’s D… so we probably want him playing….

We probably finish 10-7 maybe 9-8… but we won’t lose out because we aren’t that lucky
 
FordFairLane said:
Mitch did not have a big arm coming out of college. Neither did Mason. Both have NFL arms but they aren’t Favre, Roethlisberger or Mahomes. Whoever wrote that about Trubisky doesn’t know football.
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You are correct.
When they did the velocity testing at the Combine, mitch topped out at 51 mph
Rudolph at 52
Pickett threw a 54. All are nfl arms but a “ Big arm” is thought to be in the 58-60 MPH range…

Throws never need to be that fast… most are around 40 mph
 
madinsomniac said:
When they did tge velocity testing at the Combine, mitch topped out at 51 mph
Rudolph at 52
Pickett threw a 54. All are nfl arms but a “ Big arm is thought to be in the 58-60 moh range…

Throws never need to be that fast… most are around 40 mph
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I also wouldn't equate velocity with arm strength. There are guys who can throw hard, but not using the normal throwing motion in a game situation. A guy like Bradshaw looked like he could effortlessly launch the ball 60 yards and hit his receiver in stride. That's arm strength.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I also wouldn't equate velocity with arm strength. There are guys who can throw hard, but not using the normal throwing motion in a game situation. A guy like Bradshaw looked like he could effortlessly launch the ball 60 yards and hit his receiver in stride. That's arm strength.
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If you are talking about flat footed pure arm strength then im not sure anyone has ever topped 50 mph in that most are under 30… ben was a beast and his were in the low 40’s and sports science guys marveled about it… arm strength is a myth… its all footwork
 
FordFairLane said:
Mitch did not have a big arm coming out of college. Neither did Mason. Both have NFL arms but they aren’t Favre, Roethlisberger or Mahomes. Whoever wrote that about Trubisky doesn’t know football.
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there are multiple sites / scouts who all say the same thing, but I am sure you are the expert and they are not.

This is Mason
Weaknesses:
  • Struggles to throw into tight windows
  • Anticipation
  • Average arm strength
  • Shaky accuracy
  • Inconsistent field vision
  • Lacks escapability for the NFL
  • Lacks mobility for the NFL
  • Will need to learn working under center
  • Will need to learn calling plays in the huddle
  • Has to transition to an NFL offense
  • Played against a lot of weak defenses
  • Needs to speed up the process
This is Mitch

Strengths:
  • Accurate passer
  • Fits passes into tight windows
  • Good ball placement
  • Throws a catchable ball
  • Quality arm strength
  • Consistent mechanics
  • Moves eyes through progressions
  • Pushed team to wins
  • Good internal clock
  • Mobility
  • Displays some feel in the pocket
  • Difficult to sack
  • Can hurt defenses on the ground
  • Can make all the throws required
  • Can pick up yards on the ground
  • Upside
Here is another about Mitch "Has the arm to drive the ball outside the numbers. Consistently hits the “cover-2” hole in between the cornerback and the safety, much more often than most college quarterbacks."

And here is Mason "Is an arm passer who doesn't drive the ball with his legs or core. Can lead to sailing passes and a lack of velocity on out routes"

I could go on and on....Maybe you should be an NFL scout since no one else knows what they are talking about. Mason throws a nice deep ball, but that does not equate to a big arm. Everytime Mason throws an out I worry it will be picked. Pickett is also a little scary on the outs, but normally puts more juice on it than Mason.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I also wouldn't equate velocity with arm strength. There are guys who can throw hard, but not using the normal throwing motion in a game situation. A guy like Bradshaw looked like he could effortlessly launch the ball 60 yards and hit his receiver in stride. That's arm strength.
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truth. case in point - Joe Milton, Tennessee Vols QB. Can throw a grape through a brick wall, but has exactly zero touch. and always throws like the ball is on fire.
 
jitter77 said:
there are multiple sites / scouts who all say the same thing, but I am sure you are the expert and they are not.

This is Mason
Weaknesses:
  • Struggles to throw into tight windows
  • Anticipation
  • Average arm strength
  • Shaky accuracy
  • Inconsistent field vision
  • Lacks escapability for the NFL
  • Lacks mobility for the NFL
  • Will need to learn working under center
  • Will need to learn calling plays in the huddle
  • Has to transition to an NFL offense
  • Played against a lot of weak defenses
  • Needs to speed up the process
This is Mitch

Strengths:
  • Accurate passer
  • Fits passes into tight windows
  • Good ball placement
  • Throws a catchable ball
  • Quality arm strength
  • Consistent mechanics
  • Moves eyes through progressions
  • Pushed team to wins
  • Good internal clock
  • Mobility
  • Displays some feel in the pocket
  • Difficult to sack
  • Can hurt defenses on the ground
  • Can make all the throws required
  • Can pick up yards on the ground
  • Upside
Here is another about Mitch "Has the arm to drive the ball outside the numbers. Consistently hits the “cover-2” hole in between the cornerback and the safety, much more often than most college quarterbacks."

And here is Mason "Is an arm passer who doesn't drive the ball with his legs or core. Can lead to sailing passes and a lack of velocity on out routes"

I could go on and on....Maybe you should be an NFL scout since no one else knows what they are talking about. Mason throws a nice deep ball, but that does not equate to a big arm. Everytime Mason throws an out I worry it will be picked. Pickett is also a little scary on the outs, but normally puts more juice on it than Mason.
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Yet, when they threw the ball Mason's arm WAS stronger. Just because someones opinion is something doesn't make it a fact. The facts are Mason threw the ball faster than Mitch.
 


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Six of one, half a dozen of the other
 
I just read two different quotes from Tomlin saying that Rudolph wasn't ready and he never considered putting him in. If Rudolph went in and played well. Doesn't need to be great but like he did his last two starts I wonder if it would be enough for Rooney to see his failed experiment with Tomlin should be over.
 
I'd try Rudolph and say just chuck it and we will live with it. But undoubtedly Tomlin will try to eek out something hoping for a 2-1 turnover ratio.
 
FordFairLane said:
I just read two different quotes from Tomlin saying that Rudolph wasn't ready and he never considered putting him in. If Rudolph went in and played well. Doesn't need to be great but like he did his last two starts I wonder if it would be enough for Rooney to see his failed experiment with Tomlin should be over.
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He is like a 5 year pro all in the organization and has been with this team for every practice unless he was sick. Does this loser think we are really that stupid. Dobbs played not even knowing the playcalls in Minnesota. Flacco just lit it up in Cleveland. What a ****** moron Tomlin is.
 
black and gold apex said:
We love hitting on the QB but we all have overlooked a defense that gave up 21 points in the first half. week before allowed a 98 yard drive for a TD. So, we start any QB what will this defense do. They can't tackle, give up a lot of yards after receiving the ball. Four-man rush and still can't cover. Fingers toward the QB is Ok even though the line was terrible at pass protection. Way more wrong in this team than what QB starts.
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Winning consistently in the NFL is not easy. A breakdown in any ONE area can be the difference, breakdown in 2 areas and odds are you lose. The steelers are currently experiencing breakdowns in multiple areas, this makes winning unlikely until some of the areas are addressed.
 
jitter77 said:
I don't see us beating the Colts, maybe Bengals
Here is Rudolph's report

Overview
Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

Here is Mitchs

Overview
Trubisky is a high-end quarterback prospect who possesses NFL size, a big arm and the ability to throw with accuracy from the pocket or on the move. Despite playing in a spread-based offense, he's a full-field reader who does a very good job of getting an early read on the safeties before crafting his course of action. Trubisky will have to become much more pocket aware and do a better job of recognizing and attacking blitzes to back NFL defensive coordinators off. He hasn't put all the pieces together yet, but the puzzle is all right in front. Trubisky projects as a good starting quarterback with a high floor and the potential to be great.
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History has prove BOTH opinions to have been wrong, more so i regards to Trubisky.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
He is like a 5 year pro all in the organization and has been with this team for every practice unless he was sick. Does this loser think we are really that stupid. Dobbs played not even knowing the playcalls in Minnesota. Flacco just lit it up in Cleveland. What a ****** moron Tomlin is.
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Once you get in the Tomlin doghouse you can't seem to get out. He will cut off his nose to spite his face just to not play a specific player. You can tell when the player is on the roster because of the front office and Shades doesn't agree. It's like he knows he doesn't have roster control but has control of who plays. I guess we will see Saturday. If Mitch struggles again and Tomlin doesn't switch out at half time I would say it probably doesn't matter what Mitch does Tomlin won't play Mason without an injury taking Mitch out. And then he probably quickly moves on to McSorely if Mason has one bad pass lol
 
they have stated trib will indicating kenny is not ready but it should be mason just get him out there and ask him to use the current playbook to similar to his sr year at ok st and work around that trib cant read a d if his life depended on it
 
FordFairLane said:
I just read two different quotes from Tomlin saying that Rudolph wasn't ready and he never considered putting him in. If Rudolph went in and played well. Doesn't need to be great but like he did his last two starts I wonder if it would be enough for Rooney to see his failed experiment with Tomlin should be over.
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Isn't ready? What has he been doing all season? Joe Flacco was chilling on his couch and looked good. Ryan Mallett came off the street and beat Tomlin's Steelers.

The Steelers have won this year by protecting the ball. Mason won't light up the scoreboard, but will protect it better than Mitch.
 
FordFairLane said:
If Mitch struggles again and Tomlin doesn't switch out at half time I would say it probably doesn't matter what Mitch does Tomlin won't play Mason without an injury taking Mitch out. And then he probably quickly moves on to McSorely if Mason has one bad pass lol
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Is McSorely even dressing for the game?

As for arm strength, Trubisky may have some juice behind his throws, but his passes seem to find receivers dressed in the other team's uniforms way too much for my liking.

I KNOW why we signed Mitch... Ben had retired, we were down to Mason, Paxton Lynch, and I think Dwayne Haskins. Mason had only one start the year prior and that was the tie vs the Lions. There was not much to be excited about going into 2022. We HAD to sign a veteran FA QB, and so we signed Mitch, hoping that some of Josh Allen's magic had rubbed off on him as his backup in Buffalo.

Then Kenny dropped pretty much unexpectedly to us in the draft. Even Kenny haters had to agree that it was a foregone conclusion that we'd draft him. (The idiotic draftniks that had us picking Corral, Ridder, or Malik Willis probably would deny saying so today.) And waiting until 2023 (a better QB class) wouldn't guarantee us getting a better-rated QB than Kenny was, certainly not in the top 5 for Stroud, Young, or Richardson. Mitch started off 2022 but was given an early hook, deservedly so. And Mason went on the back of a milk carton.

Now for the topic, I say give Mason the nod. We're almost certain what we will get with Mitch, and in this offense that means something like 13 for 25, 180 yards, 0 tds and 1 or 2 ints. I feel that Mason's been neglected for so long sitting on the bench and may have something to prove, and perhaps put it out there for his next team (whoever that may be). Mason will never start for us or be nothing more than a backup for any team, but let's just see what he still has. Like's been said a lot, we know what we have in Mitch, and it ain't good. Let's see what Mason can do. I do remember his ability to get the ball downfield accurately at OK St.... here's a video compilation of his passes to James Washington (I had sure hoped they would replicate their success in college to the Steelers but that never materialized...)

Every Mason Rudolph to James Washington Touchdown EVER ( 2014 - 2018 )
 
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