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Who will emerge as the Steelers 2nd WR?

Did they have Ben throwing it too them?

No. But Ben was throwing to Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery last year and they went 8-8 averaging a whopping 23.6 PPG. But also DHB had Andrew Luck throwing to him and still couldn't catch a cold. But I'm sure Ben will catch it for him too... right?
 
No. But Ben was throwing to Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery last year and they went 8-8 averaging a whopping 23.6 PPG. But also DHB had Andrew Luck throwing to him and still couldn't catch a cold. But I'm sure Ben will catch it for him too... right?


Your crack was about the Steelers and them getting players with speed, you didn't say anything about wins or loses. Just another stab at the Archer pick. But carry on trashing the team that you are a fan of.lol
 
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No. But Ben was throwing to Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery last year and they went 8-8 averaging a whopping 23.6 PPG. But also DHB had Andrew Luck throwing to him and still couldn't catch a cold. But I'm sure Ben will catch it for him too... right?

Call me crazy, but I believe Ben is a better QB than Luck.

Certainly a more accurate QB at that. Should help DHB marginally, at least.
 
No. But Ben was throwing to Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery last year and they went 8-8 averaging a whopping 23.6 PPG. But also DHB had Andrew Luck throwing to him and still couldn't catch a cold. But I'm sure Ben will catch it for him too... right?

can't blame the QB and WRs alone on that 8-8, in fact I'd say they were one of the best units despite the Oline constant shuffling
 
No. But Ben was throwing to Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery last year and they went 8-8 averaging a whopping 23.6 PPG. But also DHB had Andrew Luck throwing to him and still couldn't catch a cold. But I'm sure Ben will catch it for him too... right?

Ahh, good to see a little ray of cloud to make sure we don't get too excited about anything positive. I struggle to imagine what everyday life must truly be like for some here.

Just an observation. If watching my favorite team caused me as much strife and negativity as it does some of you, I think I'd find a new hobby.

Joe
 
Your crack was about the Steelers and them getting players with speed, you didn't say anything about wins or loses. Just another stab at the Archer pick. But carry on trashing the team that you are a fan of.lol

Yea, and your response was nothing more than you wanting to jab at me. That's how the circle jerk here is now. The idea that pure speed is the most difficult thing for a defense is pure non-sense. Like I said, the Raiders probably have had more speed than any team in the league. But keep up your **** stirring and ignorance on all things football.
 
Call me crazy, but I believe Ben is a better QB than Luck.

Certainly a more accurate QB at that. Should help DHB marginally, at least.

If he can't catch I hardly think it matters who is throwing him the ball. Ben is not the most accurate QB in the league either.
 
Ahh, good to see a little ray of cloud to make sure we don't get too excited about anything positive. I struggle to imagine what everyday life must truly be like for some here.

Just an observation. If watching my favorite team caused me as much strife and negativity as it does some of you, I think I'd find a new hobby.

Joe

What I post has nothing to do with blowing rainbows up people's *****. The post about speed and the defense being unable to handle it is non-sense. People on this board talked for years about how stupid it was for teams to just draft for speed. Now when the Steelers bring in a guy that can't catch but is fast, draft a midget that is fast and are going to start a 2nd round pick that hasn't done anything in the NFL, everybody loves speed.
 
What I post has nothing to do with blowing rainbows up people's *****. The post about speed and the defense being unable to handle it is non-sense. People on this board talked for years about how stupid it was for teams to just draft for speed. Now when the Steelers bring in a guy that can't catch but is fast, draft a midget that is fast and are going to start a 2nd round pick that hasn't done anything in the NFL, everybody loves speed.

Because now it's OUR team. You going all objective an' at all of a sudden? ;)
 
I love receivers that can catch period. Great hands and catch radius always trumps speed. I suppose Hines Ward would have been riding the pine in his prime with this group since he's slow? Nope, If you can eliminate drops of catchable balls you can be a HOFer. Rice wasn't the fastest, but had incredible hands and route running.

Now I'm fine if Wheaton starts and I hope he does well. I just think JB has better hands.
 
I love receivers that can catch period. Great hands and catch radius always trumps speed. I suppose Hines Ward would have been riding the pine in his prime with this group since he's slow? Nope, If you can eliminate drops of catchable balls you can be a HOFer. Rice wasn't the fastest, but had incredible hands and route running.

Now I'm fine if Wheaton starts and I hope he does well. I just think JB has better hands.

True. The first SB for Ben was with Ward, Wilson and Randle El. None of those guys were track stars. Speed is often over rated when you are talking about tenths of seconds over 40 yards. Hell just look at the best 40 times at the combine. How many of those guys are tearing up the league? Not many. Most didn't do ****. So I'll take a Hines Ward over a DHB any day of the week.
 
Yea, and your response was nothing more than you wanting to jab at me. That's how the circle jerk here is now. The idea that pure speed is the most difficult thing for a defense is pure non-sense. Like I said, the Raiders probably have had more speed than any team in the league. But keep up your **** stirring and ignorance on all things football.

So let me get this straight. Last year it was J. Jones was too slow, then this year Archer, Shazier, Bryant, DHB are all too fast. Can you make this a little easier for us non-expert football minds to understand? Can you just give me a list of who is good and who is bad on the Steelers and if I should root for them or not. I don't want to be a Koolaid-Aid drinking rainbow up my *** lover anymore. I want to be a football God like you. Thanks for the help in advance.
 
So let me get this straight. Last year it was J. Jones was too slow, then this year Archer, Shazier, Bryant, DHB are all too fast. Can you make this a little easier for us non-expert football minds to understand? Can you just give me a list of who is good and who is bad on the Steelers and if I should root for them or not. I don't want to be a Koolaid-Aid drinking rainbow up my *** lover anymore. I want to be a football God like you. Thanks for the help in advance.

Could you be any more stupid? Really? Jones had more than speed issues. He had/has health issues so severe that USC wouldn't let him play football. He also had horrible numbers in almost every category. So you can shove the "last year Jones was too slow" ****. That's just not true.

BTW where did I say anything bad EVER about Shazier or Bryant? You can't. You just love to follow me around even if it makes you look ******* stupid when you don't know what you are talking about. There is nothing wrong with speed... but when that's all you have, you don't have much in the NFL.... ask DHB or a long list of sub 4.4 40 time busts that litter the unemployment lines.
 
Which is why if he keeps improving im all for JBrown getting a shot as the No 2 guy. A big body guy making tough catches opposite of ABrown. Wheaton can be moved around. The only thing I want to keep DHB around for is depth and special teams. Let Bryant slowly get used to the pro game. Next year have a solid four of both Browns Wheaton and Bryant. I know im counting my chickens with Justin Brown but ive been hearing whispers about him just like A Brown before he exploded.
 
Which is why if he keeps improving im all for JBrown getting a shot as the No 2 guy. A big body guy making tough catches opposite of ABrown. Wheaton can be moved around. The only thing I want to keep DHB around for is depth and special teams. Let Bryant slowly get used to the pro game. Next year have a solid four of both Browns Wheaton and Bryant. I know im counting my chickens with Justin Brown but ive been hearing whispers about him just like A Brown before he exploded.

I'm all for it as well. If the guy can catch the ball then he should get playing time. I had no problem bringing in DHB because he was cheap and it doesn't hurt anything. But I've seen him play in Oak as well as in Indy. He isn't much better that what we have now except he is fast. But he has huge issues holding onto the ball at times. I like J. Brown and I hope they give him a chance.
 
So let me get this straight. Last year it was J. Jones was too slow, then this year Archer, Shazier, Bryant, DHB are all too fast. Can you make this a little easier for us non-expert football minds to understand? Can you just give me a list of who is good and who is bad on the Steelers and if I should root for them or not. I don't want to be a Koolaid-Aid drinking rainbow up my *** lover anymore. I want to be a football God like you. Thanks for the help in advance.

I'm tired of drinkin the Kool-aid too! Where can I get the list? DHB is a decent #5 if someone gets hurt, but so far JB is way ahead.
 
What I post has nothing to do with blowing rainbows up people's *****. The post about speed and the defense being unable to handle it is non-sense. People on this board talked for years about how stupid it was for teams to just draft for speed. Now when the Steelers bring in a guy that can't catch but is fast, draft a midget that is fast and are going to start a 2nd round pick that hasn't done anything in the NFL, everybody loves speed.

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'll try again to explain. When it was within the rules to kill the little guys on crossing patterns, speed didn't exactly help much unless you could withstand the pounding of a full speed hit over the middle time and time again in a game while fully extended. That's not the game they play today, like it or not, defenses are no longer permitted to line a guy up and decleat him as he makes the catch. If this were still the 90's, I'd have less hope for him, due to how brutal the game was. There are guys who were similar in size and made it then too, but again, it was the exception not the rule. We shall see how he pans out, time will tell, but plenty of "nfl size" guys have already been hurt in camp, injuries are unpredictable (Pouncey isn't a small guy, but he didn't last one full game last year).

Joe
 
Oh, and as to DHB, he doesn't cost us ****, we bring him in, and see if he can learn to catch. If he does, it's win win, if he doesn't, well, another guy takes his spot. I REALLY don't see the bitching about him, that's just ******* bitching to *****, which here, I suppose, really shouldn't surprise me at all.

Joe
 
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'll try again to explain. When it was within the rules to kill the little guys on crossing patterns, speed didn't exactly help much unless you could withstand the pounding of a full speed hit over the middle time and time again in a game while fully extended. That's not the game they play today, like it or not, defenses are no longer permitted to line a guy up and decleat him as he makes the catch. If this were still the 90's, I'd have less hope for him, due to how brutal the game was. There are guys who were similar in size and made it then too, but again, it was the exception not the rule. We shall see how he pans out, time will tell, but plenty of "nfl size" guys have already been hurt in camp, injuries are unpredictable (Pouncey isn't a small guy, but he didn't last one full game last year).

Joe

I'll try to explain this again because you obviously don't understand. I said ABSOLUTELY nothing in that post about getting injured. DHB is 6'2 and 220 lbs. But his speed has got him **** since he was drafted. The idea that defenses can't handle speed is ******* ridiculous. Seattle, the best defense in the league last year, hammered people. They had 0 15 yard helmet to helmet penalties. Hines Ward was one of the best WR in the league and he was average speed. Jerry Rice had average speed. I think he ran a 4.7 or so. Reggie Bush ran a 4.33. The idea that speed is now the end all be all of offense is foolish. Some of the best players the Steelers have had over the past few years weren't speed demons. Most good/great NFL players aren't sub 4.3 guys.
 
Oh, and as to DHB, he doesn't cost us ****, we bring him in, and see if he can learn to catch. If he does, it's win win, if he doesn't, well, another guy takes his spot. I REALLY don't see the bitching about him, that's just ******* bitching to *****, which here, I suppose, really shouldn't surprise me at all.

Joe

I said the EXACT same thing 3 posts above your post. Obviously you didn't read it.
 
Steelers' Markus Wheaton set to break out
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LATROBE, Pa. -- The wide receiver who debuted as a starter on the Pittsburgh Steelers' first depth chart of the season said he isn’t trying to impress anyone but himself.

Fortunately for the Steelers nobody is apparently harder on Markus Wheaton than Markus Wheaton.

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Markus Wheaton, No. 1 on the Steelers' first depth chart at wide receiver, is poised to have a big year.
That explains why he sometimes leaves his dorm room at St. Vincent College after the 11 p.m. ET bed check and slips downstairs at Rooney Hall so he can watch film.

“I’m always checking out my game and trying to figure out how I can get better,” Wheaton said.

Few things would help the Steelers’ passing game more than if Wheaton is appreciably better after a nagging finger injury limited him to 152 snaps last season and essentially made his rookie season a lost one on the field.

The issues with a broken pinkie that required several surgeries appear to be in Wheaton’s rear view mirror, and he has a clear path to the field with Emmanuel Sanders in Denver and Jerricho Cotchery in Carolina.

That Wheaton is No. 1 on the Steelers’ first depth chart at wide receiver is confirmation that the starting job is his to lose.

“I’m glad that they are pushing me to take that spot,” Wheaton said. “I obviously want that spot but there are a lot of good guys competing for that spot. There will be a lot of competition and a lot of growth from the competition. I’m looking for growth every day and I think with that growth I will prove that I can hold that spot down.”

Wheaton caught just six passes for 64 yards lost season. But he impressed Steelers wide receivers coach Richard Mann with the toughness he showed late in the season by playing through the finger injury.

And his desire to squeeze every ounce of his considerable physical ability has never been in question.

Wheaton attached himself to Cotchery last season, absorbing everything he could from the veteran wide receiver. He did the same during the offseason with Lance Moore, who was signed to replace Cotchery as the Steelers’ No. 3 wide receiver.

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The work he puts in has not gone unnoticed by the person who matters most when it comes to what role Wheaton plays this season.

“He’s a detailed guy,” Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. “I see him not only working out (on the field) before and after but into the evening. He’s just taking a really professional approach. I think he understands what we expect and what we need from him.”

Moore, who is second to Wheaton on the depth chart, expects a breakout season from the 2013 third-round draft pick.

“He’s definitely got all of the ability and speed and hands and runs good routes,” said Moore, who is entering his 10th NFL season. “He’s definitely going to be an emerging player. It’s a deeper [wide receivers] group than I think people would imagine because there’s a lot of guys that haven’t played as much ball but guys that are definitely capable. I’ve been around long enough and seen enough guys and I think we’ve got a pretty special group.”
 
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LATROBE, Pa. — Maybe Markus Wheaton had lost a bet. Or maybe he just wanted to stay dry from the steady rain that soaked Saint Vincent College all Sunday long. Or maybe it was pure symbolism, a statement that he was ready to compete.

Whatever the case, the kid would not take off his helmet.

Chin-strap snapped up and all.

Why?

“Eh, I don’t know. It’s OK. I’m just leaving it on,” Wheaton was telling me nearly an hour after practice and, yes, the helmet stayed on through the whole interview.

It was all quite the sight, and not just Wheaton in isolation. This was one of those Mike Tomlin practices that punished as much as it reinforced. It was physical. It was a mental test, one drill added right after the previous had seemed like the last. It went 33 minutes longer than the two hours allotted and, when the final horn finally sounded, players were dragging, limping off the field. Most didn’t detour a single step in climbing the big hill up to the cafeteria to devour their dinners.

But not Wheaton and not any of the receivers. That’s life with the taskmaster Antonio Brown, of course. If A.B. hangs after practice, so do you. And so, while the rest of the roster trudged off, there they all were at the far end of Chuck Noll Field, A.B., Lance Moore, Justin Brown, Martavis Bryant, Wheaton and the rest, flicking footballs at each other in a quadrant, challenging each other to make catches high and low, one-handed, over-the-shoulder, whatever. There was laughter and joking aplenty, but there also was no mistaking the intensity applied to actually catching the ball.

Only Wheaton was still wearing a helmet, by the way. Heck, A.B. had gone shirtless by that point, eager to dry off.

While this was happening, Tomlin, meeting with a small scrum of us media types at the near end zone, was asked about Wheaton and responded with more than the standard gusto: “He’s been impressive. He has. You see him working out here, not just in practices but in the morning, out into the evening. He’s just taken a really professional approach. I think he understands what we expect from him and the gravity of it.”

Even with his back to those receivers, the coach nailed it in every way.

Wheaton is preparing himself. He isn’t taking for granted that he’ll be the starting outside receiver opposite A.B., and he’s placing zero stock in the the Steelers’ first official depth chart that was issued Sunday morning and had No. 11 at No. 1 in that slot.

“It doesn’t mean anything,” he’d say. “We haven’t even played a preseason game yet.”

Wheaton is making an impression on all concerned, not just with his extra work but between the whistles. Ben Roethlisberger says he’s “looking really good.” Lance Moore says “the future’s really bright with this young man.” Tomlin, who isn’t big on complimenting youngsters in any setting, turned the volume up to 11 after one drill Sunday when Wheaton came down with a Bruce Gradkowski bullet in the flat, whirled, cut to the inside and burst into the clear. The coach shouted: “That’s the run after, one-one! That’s the run after!”

Wheaton is grasping that gravity thing, too …

Let me be blunt on this count: No one in this camp, not in any capacity, is under greater pressure. If Wheaton, the Steelers’ third-round pick a summer ago and an afterthought in the season that followed with six catches and a badly broken finger, can’t produce — and I mean produce immediately — this offense is pretty much cooked. I really believe that. Defenses will double-team A.B. without fear, thus stripping away the Steelers’ most formidable weapon in a way never seen while Emmanuel Sanders, Jerricho Cotchery and Hines Ward were here.

Wheaton gets that completely. Just ask him about pressure, a concept most athletes shun akin to vampires and crosses.

“There’s pressure on everybody, whether you’re Ben or Troy Polamalu or an undrafted free agent coming in here,” he’ll say. “I know there’s pressure on me here, and I accept that. It’s a good pressure. I feel like I can feed off it. I can embrace it.”

So do the Steelers. Be very sure of that. While so many of us — I was hardly an exception — urged them to go receiver in the first round of this most recent draft, the thinking among the higher-ups was that Wheaton deserved a shot.

It was a gamble, especially in light of having the franchise quarterback and precarious depth at receiver, but maybe they’ll be right.

For one, Wheaton had a three-catch performance in Week 4 last season vs. the Vikings in London, the first hard sign he was gaining Roethlisberger’s trust. But he was inactive the next four games because of the finger — which required multiple procedures and still looks a mangled mess — then made three more catches against the Lions in Week 10 before falling out of the picture.

For another, there’s pedigree. At Oregon State, he caught a school-record 227 passes over 49 games, including 16 for touchdowns. He ran and returned the ball, too, averaging 77 all-purpose yards per game.

For yet another, it was right around this time a year ago that Wheaton first started turning heads, first showed that mix of track-star speed, soft hands and a smart football sense. Some of his teammates were forecasting instant stardom.

Maybe, indeed, the Steelers will be right.

All that’s evident for now is that Wheaton is doing his part, and that’s been a real pleasure to watch.

Fact is, Wheaton could take his depth-chart assignment and essentially etch it in stone, if only because of his competition. Justin Brown has been terrific all offseason, but he’s no immediate threat. Bryant, the fourth-rounder this year, might someday offer Roethlisberger that coveted big target, but he’s raw. Darrius Heyward-Bey can blaze by any of them, but he’s had a history of stone hands and now is out with a concussion.

Still, you can’t even get Wheaton to acknowledge he’ll break out of the first huddle Sept. 7 vs. the Browns.

“I see the opportunity that’s there, it’s wide open for me to take that spot, and I look forward to it,” was the best I could get. “But all of us are putting in this extra work. We’re all pushing each other to get better.”

With that, the interview ended and Wheaton heeded the pleas of a group of fans to sign autographs. He climbed a grass hill and did so for the next half-hour.

The helmet was still on.

I asked if he’d take the thing off to eat, at least.

“Oh, definitely,” he answered with a grin. “Absolutely.”

Yeah, right. Here’s hoping they weren’t serving corn on the cob
 
In the Twitter thread it appears that my homey Moye is 4th on the depth chart, Bryant has been less than impressive, DHB isn't looking like a lock, and J. Brown is decent.
 
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