Wonder what Rooney will say / do

[MT~Forged]

Looks like this year will end like the last 7 or so. Art II said he wanted better results:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39416962/steelers-art-rooney-ii-had-enough-playoff-win-drought

My guess.. nothing will change

Art the Dookie is all talk. He is more than willing to take the money coming in, rather than chance a decline. With better results, how much MORE money do you think they make? A drop means less, maybe even much less, but they aren’t going to take in a great deal more.

 

[MT~Forged]

I hear ya slash...

Or did he overachieve in 2023?
And this team is indeed a 10 win team as is?

This team is a better team than last year, but they still have the injuries, same coaching, bad time management, mind boggling in game choices. They are better, but still below what is needed.

The choices that Kahn made this year, have been good ones

Russell Wilson - great move, proven experience for bargain basement price
Justin Fields - cost a 6th rounder to replace a malcontent QB, just wish he had 2 years remaining instead of 1
Drops Johnson - made the team better by trading him for a player who wasn’t a problem
Patrick Queen - brought in a player who, while not a perennial All Pro, is starting to find his feet and looks to be a solid guy.
Punter #1, punter #2 - finally upgraded a drastically needed position, and did it twice.
DeShon Elliott - shored up the S spot
Beenie Bishop - brought in a day one starter that NOBODY thought was worth a 7th round flier
24 Draft class - really solid picks, 4 starters and 1 that should next year, plus 2 others with possibilities to be depth players
Arthur Smith - while an upgrade at OC, as the season unfolded, it became obvious that Canada wasn’t really the COMPLETE problem. We still see the same failing offensive philosophy that has been forced on the last 4-5 “OC’s”

NOT MORTGAGING the future for over priced WR’s to fill holes in a knee jerk manner. While many will not agree, this was a good long term decision.

 

[Confluence]

I'm with steelcan on this. All I hear incessantly in here is bi*ch bi*ch bi*ch. We didn't do anything to improve this team right? You went from Kenny Pickett to Russell Wilson AND Justing Fields at QB. Look at everything Khan has done. We were projected by the pundits to be LAST in the division. And of course you all have read the tea leaves and gazed into your crystal balls to see NO playoff wins. Well I'm not ready to throw in the towel on this team.
It SUCKS that we got to play 3 huge hard hitting games in a row in Philly, Balt and KC but crap like that happens. I thought your schedule was based on your play from the year before in which case I think KC should have gotten this ugly end of season schedule. What PISSES me off is that we have to play the 3 in TEN FREAKIN DAYS!!!! After Balt comes fresh off a bye. We were handed a garbage schedule.
Hearing the injury report coming into the game I didn't expect a win at all in this game. I do think they'll come out tougher for KC...I'm looking for a win there. So lets TRY to look at some positives...
We ARE in the playoffs and if I read correctly a win in Balty wouldn't have negated us having to play them in the first play off post game. Here's the post game injury report:

PITTSBURGH STEELERS INJURY REPORT​

Player	Injury	Date	Prognosis	Sun	Mon	Tue	Game
LB Tyler Matakevich	Knee	Dec. 21	TBD
WR Ben Skowronek	Hip	Dec. 21	TBD	DBT
CB Joey Porter Jr.	Right knee, PCL sprain	Dec. 21	TBD	DBT
QB Justin Fields	Abdomen	Dec. 15	Day to day	QST
SS DeShon Elliott	Hamstring	Dec. 8	Day to day	QST
CB Donte Jackson	Back/pinched nerve	Dec. 8	Day to day	QST
DT Larry Ogunjobi	Groin	Dec. 8	Day to day	QST
WR George Pickens	Hamstring	Dec. 6	Day to day	QST

Dude,
Good football teams win games in Dec and Jan regardless of injury. Look at the Bills.

When was the last successful December or January for the Steelers?

 

[Troglodyte]

If the unthinkable happens and we get knocked out in the first round…

Unthinkable? Did you travel back in time about eight years? Getting knocked out in the first round is the status quo.

 

[Steeltime]

My fandom took a serious hit in 07 when they hired a one year DC that Miami rejected as 'too hip-hop', because he 'interviewed so well'. I was told 18 years ago by a close friend who was inside that he was hired because 'he was uniquely equipped to speak to the players', if you will. We see that born out in bilingual cameos in Hard Knocks. Its why our players and many throughout the league love him. 'All good' if you love hip-hop culture. 'All good' if mediocrity works for you.

'Interviewed so well' reeks of the surprise that arises from low expectation. Satisfaction with the last 18 years bears that out.

Personally, I can't relate to this mess at this point... after 60 years. I've discovered that there are better things to do with one's time. HCMT hinted at that when, commenting on his involvement in his wife's business said 'there's more to life than football'. Artie should have fired HCMT for that comment alone, given what they presumably pay him to do. I could presume wrong as the last 18 years bears out.

Vincent, perhaps you were unaware - I just learned this from Zona - that Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season.

I bet that changes everything.

 

[steelhurt]

Unthinkable? Did you travel back in time about eight years? Getting knocked out in the first round is the status quo.

Omg I’m getting a headache here. Follow the thread and you will see why I used this magic word
“unthinkable”.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Vincent, perhaps you were unaware - I just learned this from Zona - that Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season.

I bet that changes everything.

Little known fact…

Mike has never had a losing season on Netflix!!!

The Chefs are doomed bwahahahah

 

[KentuckySteeler]

Vincent, perhaps you were unaware - I just learned this from Zona - that Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season.

I bet that changes everything.

Tomlin is like a failing college basketball coach that wins 20 games and considers that a great season.

 

[BLITZ]

Fire Mike Tomlin and this place folds. there would be 1/16th of the posts.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Tomlin is like a failing college basketball coach that wins 20 games and considers that a great season.

And wins the NIT multiple years.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Sure! We have to at least believe this group can win one stinking playoff game this season.
It’s ******* sad it’s come to this stage of the game where we have to be satisfied to win one stinking playoff game if we can even do that.

I gave it some thought, and when you think about it, your take on being “one and done” being unthinkable is well founded … because it comes from the perspective you have on “unthinkable”. I can also admit that being one and done after going 10-3 is still unthinkable regardless of our recent losses….even if one and done is thinkable.

I had to give it some thought as to how to express that.
I think I made sense.

 

[steelhurt]

I gave it some thought, and when you think about it, your take on being “one and done” being unthinkable is well founded … because it comes from the perspective you have on “unthinkable”. I can also admit that being one and done after going 10-3 is still unthinkable regardless of our recent losses….even if one and done is thinkable.

I had to give it some thought as to how to express that.
I think I made sense.

Stewey I see where you’re coming from in light of how unsuccessful we’ve been the last seven season in the playoffs. It’s just that so much emphasis has been put on win a playoff game at all cost it just made me feel like holy crap, if we don’t win a playoff game.
I really don’t like where this team sits right now. KC will be motivated Christmas to clinch the #1 seed so they will play hard. Then you finish with Cincy who could be playing for that last wildcard.
Steelers have to regroup and get focused.
All good!

 

[Drink IRON City]

Vincent, perhaps you were unaware - I just learned this from Zona - that Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season.

I bet that changes everything.

How the hell would Zona know, does he have a link or something…….. ?


Salute the nation

 

[Lloyd]

The nerve to show injuries, as if.

 

[oicu8ad]

The irony is that early on for the first few years the perception was that Tomlin was more of a CEO and deferred to his coordinators and of course Roethlisberger.

The flap about 10 years ago over Tomlin being voted by NFL players "the coach you would most like to play for" was a pivotal point because - when asked about it - one could clearly see him taking umbrage at the title and sort of throwing DL under the bus as "the old white guy" with his thin-skinned response in the FOX interview. Fast-forward a few years later, and we have Keith Butler revealing that Tomlin was even starting to take some of the playcalling duties away from perhaps the greatest defensive coordinator the NFL has ever seen. I believe that Tomlin very much resented outside perceptions that he was a CEO and merely driving the bus and only won with Cowher's players. That he was a "player's coach." Throw in for good measure Terry Bradshaw calling him "a cheerleader guy" and we have the psychological underpinning and reasons why Tomlin has become a schematic control freak in all phases of the game.

He wanted to put his stamp and his mark on the team schematically in a way that having DL and BR7 would never allow him to do coming in with figurative training wheels.

After the terrible Jacksonville debacle, Jim Wexell wrote that "Tomlin will not fire Butler, because he would be firing himself." So at that point, any honest person could see that Tomlin was running the defense. Now, after institutional and performance issues on the field that span years with multiple offensive coordinators -- with the same attrition blueprint -- it's pretty obvious that Tomlin also has his thumbs resting heavily on the offense and style of play. Starting games slowly, feeling out the opponent, shortening the games, and trying to win games in the fourth quarter which simply does not work against the better teams in this era of offense.

And we have not won a playoff game since it truly became Tomlin's team through and through.

This post is GOLD. 100% accurate in all aspects.

 

[bigben]

A few years ago I recall making the claim that we had 3 or 4 legitimate players that we could build upon, Boswell being one of them. We have a built a pretty decent foundation where we have only a couple of positions we need to fill and then it's depth that's needed. Yesterday exposed that. We've come a long way. The season could definitely end the same as the past several years but this time it feels different to me.

I know a lot of people have been laying in the weeds since the beginning of the season. Glad you can get it out of your system because I have a feeling your going to have to contain yourselves for a while after this season. But then again I'm sure you'll find a way because I don't think there's any point you wouldn't complain about Rooney or Tomlin if we don't win the Super Bowl.

Why don't we look at it from the opposite perspective. Which position groups are we all set at?
Linebacker and ....

 

[Confluence]

Why don't we look at it from the opposite perspective. Which position groups are we all set at?
Linebacker and ....

Kicker!!

In Boz we trust

 

[Litos]

and punter(s)

 

[stillwright]

Why don't we look at it from the opposite perspective. Which position groups are we all set at?
Linebacker and ....

WR... QB... DT.. etc...

 

[Superman]

let Russ go, bring in Cousins.
revolving door of recycled QBs shall begin

 

[Steelersfan84]

Sure! We have to at least believe this group can win one stinking playoff game this season.
It’s ******* sad it’s come to this stage of the game where we have to be satisfied to win one stinking playoff game if we can even do that.

The longer you keep Tomlin in Pitt the lower the expectation will get.

 

[Steelersfan84]

The irony is that early on for the first few years the perception was that Tomlin was more of a CEO and deferred to his coordinators and of course Roethlisberger.

The flap about 10 years ago over Tomlin being voted by NFL players "the coach you would most like to play for" was a pivotal point because - when asked about it - one could clearly see him taking umbrage at the title and sort of throwing DL under the bus as "the old white guy" with his thin-skinned response in the FOX interview. Fast-forward a few years later, and we have Keith Butler revealing that Tomlin was even starting to take some of the playcalling duties away from perhaps the greatest defensive coordinator the NFL has ever seen. I believe that Tomlin very much resented outside perceptions that he was a CEO and merely driving the bus and only won with Cowher's players. That he was a "player's coach." Throw in for good measure Terry Bradshaw calling him "a cheerleader guy" and we have the psychological underpinning and reasons why Tomlin has become a schematic control freak in all phases of the game.

He wanted to put his stamp and his mark on the team schematically in a way that having DL and BR7 would never allow him to do coming in with figurative training wheels.

After the terrible Jacksonville debacle, Jim Wexell wrote that "Tomlin will not fire Butler, because he would be firing himself." So at that point, any honest person could see that Tomlin was running the defense. Now, after institutional and performance issues on the field that span years with multiple offensive coordinators -- with the same attrition blueprint -- it's pretty obvious that Tomlin also has his thumbs resting heavily on the offense and style of play. Starting games slowly, feeling out the opponent, shortening the games, and trying to win games in the fourth quarter which simply does not work against the better teams in this era of offense.

And we have not won a playoff game since it truly became Tomlin's team through and through.

He goes 31st against the pass in Minnesota as defensive coordinator in 2006 when he gets his hands on it. The 2011-present is the real Mike Tomlin. Would have been fired by now anywhere by now.

 

[Steelersfan84]

I have said before and say again, "If I was paid $7 million per year for a mediocre outcome, you'd be damn sure you would get a lot of mediocre outcomes."

And this is why.........Steeltime.......has never had a losing season.

 

[KentuckySteeler]

let Russ go, bring in Cousins.
revolving door of recycled QBs shall begin

We could always bring in Jameson. I'm sure Lord Tomlin could nueter his passing game and deliver him from pick 6's.

 

[topseed]

I have said before and say again, "If I was paid $7 million per year for a mediocre outcome, you'd be damn sure you would get a lot of mediocre outcomes."

You need to update your saying -- Tomlin makes $16 million a year now.

$9,000,000 more. Same mediocre outcome.