Dulac reports Art growing impatient and frustrated

[NoKap#7]

His resume was kinda thin when he was hired. Viking's DC for one season where his defense had the unique distinction of being #1 against the run and dead last #32 against the pass. Almost 20 years later and he's back to being dead last in pass defense.

It's curious that our best DB's have to come from other teams.

Tomlin had an extensive coaching resume prior to the Vikings all of which he showed promise or excelled at apparently. To assume the Steelers only looked at one sample size and determined from that he should be hired shows how limited your knowledge is of what goes on in a hiring process.

Not to mention its a known fact that certain positions are commodities in this league DBs being one of them along with QB and OL...meaning its immensely hard to evaluate the talent of players in those positions more so then any of the other positions. As with any position its a crap shoot, but for those three specific positions the turnover rates are typically the highest. Once you get talent at those positions you typically dont move off of them until you feel the tires have fallen off (or their value between what you think you can pay and what they feel they are worth becomes irreconcilable) which is why the Steelers end up with them so late in their careers.

 

[Troglodyte]

Does he mean “impatient and frustrated AGAIN”?

Pretty sure I’ve heard that before.

 

[Steeltime]

Just so i don't misunderstand you...you're acknowledging that the only reason you believe Tomlin was hired was because he was black??

Tomlin's race played a role - a large role. Was it the only reason? Of course not. Was it a very large part of the decision? Yes. I say this because Tomlin was a complete unknown, a defensive coordinator for a Vikings team that went 6-10 and was last in the NFL in pass defense, first in run defense, and middle of the pack in yards and points allowed. Nothing special, at all.

His main competition for the job was Russ Grimm, who had 14 years experience as an assistant coach, including six years with the Steelers as offensive line coach, three years as combined offensive line coach/Assistant Head Coach when the team went 34-14, 5-1 in the playoffs, and where the group he coached, the offensive line, was incredibly good. Dominant.

You tell me what made Mike Tomlin a better HC candidate than Russ Grimm.

 

[NoKap#7]

Tomlin's race played a role - a large role. Was it the only reason? Of course not. Was it a very large part of the decision? Yes. I say this because Tomlin was a complete unknown, a defensive coordinator for a Vikings team that went 6-10 and was last in the NFL in pass defense, first in run defense, and middle of the pack in yards and points allowed. Nothing special, at all.

His main competition for the job was Russ Grimm, who had 14 years experience as an assistant coach, including six years with the Steelers as offensive line coach, three years as combined offensive line coach/Assistant Head Coach when the team went 34-14, 5-1 in the playoffs, and where the group he coached, the offensive line, was incredibly good. Dominant.

You tell me what made Mike Tomlin a better HC candidate than Russ Grimm.

Tomlin was a complete unknown to you. It doesnt mean he was a complete unknown around the league among the people that mattered and he had just as extensive of a coaching history at more positions then Russ. Like i said to another person in another post and apparently applies to you also...to assume the Steelers only looked at one sample size and determined from that he should be hired shows how limited your knowledge is of what goes on in a hiring process.

Russ never became a head coordinator for a team and never became the Head Coach of a team. Why is that??

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Tomlin had an extensive coaching resume prior to the Vikings all of which he showed promise or excelled at apparently. To assume the Steelers only looked at one sample size and determined from that he should be hired shows how limited your knowledge is of what goes on in a hiring process.

I know a lot about hiring processes. I also know that they had narrowed it down to Tomin and Ron Rivera, both minorities, so that's "telling", as you say.
My issue is that he was only a coordinator for one year.

Russ never became a head coordinator for a team and never became the Head Coach of a team. Why is that??

Probably because it became known that he's an alcoholic.

 

[NoKap#7]

I know a lot about hiring processes. I also know that they had narrowed it down to Tomin and Ron Rivera, both minorities, so that's "telling", as you say.

Probably because it became known that he's an alcoholic.

Apparently you dont because you either totally disregarded Tomlins past coaching history or were unaware of it. Its not telling because they were minorities. What's telling is that the white candidates were considered less suitable for the job. At minimum the interview process and resumes for Rivera were more impressive.

 

[BLITZ]

Like somebody said already. The Rooney Rule required the Steelers to interview someone. It didnt require them to hire them. The fact the NFL had to institute such a rule is telling in itself.

Agreed. It was 100% not necessary. NFL owners would hire someone from Mars if it would help them win

 

[Steeltime]

Tomlin was a complete unknown to you. It doesnt mean he was a complete unknown around the league and he had just as extensive of a coaching history at more positions then Russ.

No he didn't. You're just making up stuff.

Grimm was an NFL coach for 14 years. Tomlin worked as DB coach for Tampa for four seasons and Minnesota's DC for one season.

I know math is hard for some but I am pretty sure 14 > 5.

Like i said to another person in another post and apparently applies to you also...to assume the Steelers only looked at one sample size and determined from that he should be hired shows how limited your knowledge is of what goes on in a hiring process.

I base my comments on who the Steelers interviewed for the job. The team interviewed Grimm, Whisenhunt and Tomlin. Whisenhunt went 4-2 in the playoffs, took a Cardinals team to the SB and was fired after missing the playoffs three straight seasons.

Russ never became a head coordinator for a team and never became the Head Coach of a team. Why is that??

Racism.

Hey, sauce for the goose and all that.

 

[NoKap#7]

Agreed. It was 100% not necessary. NFL owners would hire someone from Mars if it would help them win

If you say so

 

[BLITZ]

If you say so

Do you disagree?

 

[Steeltime]

Apparently you dont because you either totally disregarded Tomlins past coaching history or were unaware of it.

Why don't you tell us all about Tomlin's glorious coaching history. Go ahead.

Oh, and if you include college ... please. Should I tell you about my glorious youth coaching record??

 

[NoKap#7]

No he didn't. You're just making up stuff.

Grimm was an NFL coach for 14 years. Tomlin worked as DB coach for Tampa for four seasons and Minnesota's DC for one season.

I know math is hard for some but I am pretty sure 14 > 5.



I base my comments on who the Steelers interviewed for the job. The team interviewed Grimm, Whisenhunt and Tomlin. Whisenhunt went 4-2 in the playoffs, took a Cardinals team to the SB and was fired after missing the playoffs three straight seasons.



Racism.

Hey, sauce for the goose and all that.

Are you both dumb and stupid??? I said Tomlin had just as extensive of a coaching history. Tomlin got his first job as a WRs coach in 95. He started coaching the Steelers in 2007.

 

[NoKap#7]

Do you disagree?

I dont disagree that youre naive. How could you say something like that when you look at the number of minority people that were in coaching/front office positions around the league at the time the Rooney Rule was instituted.

 

[NoKap#7]

No he didn't. You're just making up stuff.

Grimm was an NFL coach for 14 years. Tomlin worked as DB coach for Tampa for four seasons and Minnesota's DC for one season.

I know math is hard for some but I am pretty sure 14 > 5.



I base my comments on who the Steelers interviewed for the job. The team interviewed Grimm, Whisenhunt and Tomlin. Whisenhunt went 4-2 in the playoffs, took a Cardinals team to the SB and was fired after missing the playoffs three straight seasons.



Racism.

Hey, sauce for the goose and all that.

Just type dumb ish i guess if you got nothing else to offer

 

[BLITZ]

I dont disagree that youre naive. How could you say something like that when you look at the number of minority people that were in coaching/front office positions around the league at the time the Rooney Rule was instituted.

I think the Rooney rule was the beginning of dei.
It is not needed. Owners want to win and will put anyone in charge to do so.
I think Tomlin won the job with being prepared. Being a minority certainly helped.

 

[NoKap#7]

I think the Rooney rule was the beginning of dei.
It is not needed. Owners want to win and will put anyone in charge to do so.
I think Tomlin won the job with being prepared. Being a minority certainly helped.

Ill leave it at this because you clearly were born yesterday, but there were apparently only 2 minority coaches in the league at the time the Rooney Rule was instituted. This was 2003. Not 1953, not 1963, not 1973, but 2003. 32 teams. 65-70% of your players minority. Ill let that sink in.

 

[Steeltime]

Are you both dumb and stupid??? I said Tomlin had just as extensive of a coaching history. Tomlin got his first job as a WRs coach in 95. He started coaching the Steelers in 2007.

You're citing his amazing coaching record ... as WR coach for Virginia Military Institute??

How about his amazingness at the University of Memphis as a graduate assistant. Whee!! That amazing stint led to a key role at the football factory, the University of Tennessee ... at Martin. Then his incredible tenure at arguably the greatest football program this side of the 1970's Steelers, Arkansas. Sorry, not Arkansas, Arkansas State University.

And you call me an idiot. Jesus, you should invest in a night at the Holiday Inn Express before continuing this discussion.

P.S. What does Mike Tomlin's ball sack taste like?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Apparently you dont because you either totally disregarded Tomlins past coaching history or were unaware of it. Its not telling because they were minorities. What's telling is that the white candidates were considered less suitable for the job. At minimum the interview process and resumes for Rivera were more impressive.

I already answered that.
White candidates were not finalists for the job because there was no way that the namesakes for the Rooney Rule were going to hire a white head coach.
Yes the Rooney Rule only says you have to interview minority candidates but if the Rooneys don't go all-in and hire a minority head coach after setting up a rule for the whole league then they look like hypocrites.
I do not believe Tomlin was the best candidate available. I believe he was the best minority candidate available.
Personally I thought then-OC Ken Whisenhunt would have been best for the job and it didn't make sense to me why they seemed to elevate Grimm over him.
Do I think Tomlin is still here after almost a decade of playoff failure due to the Rooney Way (of not firing coaches) or the Rooney Rule? I think both can be true.

To recap:
Do I think Tomlin was hired because of the Rooney Rule? That's not the only reason but it's the main reason, so yes, absolutely.
Do I think he keeps his job because of the Rooney Rule? That's not the only reason but it's the main reason, so yes, absolutely.
I don't know how much more clear I can be. You have my answer.

 

[NoKap#7]

You're citing his amazing coaching record ... as WR coach for Virginia Military Institute??

How about his amazingness at the University of Memphis as a graduate assistant. Whee!! That amazing stint led to a key role at the football factory, the University of Tennessee ... at Martin. Then his incredible tenure at arguably the greatest football program this side of the 1970's Steelers, Arkansas. Sorry, not Arkansas, Arkansas State University.

And you call me an idiot. Jesus, you should invest in a night at the Holiday Inn Express before continuing this discussion.

P.S. What does Mike Tomlin's ball sack taste like?

Not that this applies to Tomlin, but in the history of the NFL have there ever been coaches that have gone directly from coaching in college to getting a head coach position in the NFL the following year after leaving head coaching position in college??

 

[Steeltime]

Not that this applies to Tomlin, but in the history of the NFL have there ever been coaches that have gone directly from coaching in college to getting a head coach position in the NFL the following year after leaving head coaching position in college??

College ASSISTANT coaches? No.

Successful, long-time college HEAD COACHES? Yes.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Not that this applies to Tomlin, but in the history of the NFL have there ever been coaches that have gone directly from coaching in college to getting a head coach position in the NFL the following year after leaving head coaching position in college??

Barry Switzer of the Cowboys comes to mind. And yes, I would say he won his Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnson's team.

 

[BLITZ]

Ill leave it at this because you clearly were born yesterday, but there were apparently only 2 minority coaches in the league at the time the Rooney Rule was instituted. This was 2003. Not 1953, not 1963, not 1973, but 2003. 32 teams. 65-70% of your players minority. Ill let that sink in.

Why do you think this is/was?
Owners holding people back because of color?

 

[NoKap#7]

Why do you think this is/was?
Owners holding people back because of color?

Well apparently the NFL has been around since 1920....I just googled how many minority coaches there were in the league between 1923 and 2003 and it said there were only 7 minority coaches in that 80 year span. We havent even addressed front office positions such as GM. You can take from that what you will. It is what it is.

 

[black and gold apex]

A lot of back and forth on Tomlin. Rooney likes the relationship, it would take more that us or the paper, to have Tomlin removed. But watching like today the Colts coach involved, red flag thrown going on fourth down what three times and then fake punt. Aggressive 7-0 team. Look at the comments on the last two minutes of this half and you need to question Tomlin, head coach, was only after a field goal by clock management and personnel on field. Last week all those field goals meant zero.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Tomlin's race played a role - a large role. Was it the only reason? Of course not. Was it a very large part of the decision? Yes. I say this because Tomlin was a complete unknown, a defensive coordinator for a Vikings team that went 6-10 and was last in the NFL in pass defense, first in run defense, and middle of the pack in yards and points allowed. Nothing special, at all.

His main competition for the job was Russ Grimm, who had 14 years experience as an assistant coach, including six years with the Steelers as offensive line coach, three years as combined offensive line coach/Assistant Head Coach when the team went 34-14, 5-1 in the playoffs, and where the group he coached, the offensive line, was incredibly good. Dominant.

You tell me what made Mike Tomlin a better HC candidate than Russ Grimm.

His ability to communicate and relate to the players. His energy and presence in front of the room. Grimm was not an inspiring head coach candidate. That takes nothing away from his accomplishments as an OL coach, but I'm not sure I hire Grimm to be the head coach of a high school team. I'm almost certain he would've flamed out and the Steelers would not have won another Super Bowl let alone appear in two. Tomlin is a good coach, his philosphy and team building is just stale for the current NFL.