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Porter served notice.......

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And it ain't gonna be cheap. State's he's top 5 CB (agreed). Knows he doesn't have Int but highlights lack of TD'S against, success vs. Targets and declining penalties. Choice is pay the piper or trade him with a first minimum in '27 in the very important QB draft. What say you?
And you might be looking at North of 32 million.
 
Id trade him for a first in 27 and 2nd in this years.
Yep. And in my humble opinion this attitude sucks balls. We finally get a top 5 CB. We’ve been screaming for one for years and years. Let’s trade him away in his prime. 😳

We’re a team of average to a hair above average players. With TJ the only superstar whose ship has sailed from that status.
Let’s just continue to sign FA’s well,well,past their prime who once had that star status. Maybe we should trade Joey JR and sign him when he’s in his 30’s as a FA on the cheap. 🙄
Mann oh Mann.
 
Idk boys, this one may be tempting. I certainly can see both sides of the argument here but consider this…
Could you lure a team in like the Jets for their number one in 27 and their 2’nd this draft? Afterall they need to replace Sauce Gardner and may bite.
Draft Porter’s replacement with the second round pick this year from Jets.
Next year most likely that first from the jets will be a high pick and could be used to draft our QB.
Just thinking out of the box here! Paying him 32 million or better on top of the horrible contract given to Watt concerns me.
What say you?
 
I'm 50/50 on the sign or trade question. My concern is that this team isn't going anywhere without a franchise QB. Paying 2-3 defensive players top 5 money isn't even going to get a playoff win, much less a Super Bowl. If a trade helps get a franchise QB, I'm all for it.
 
Posts like these is a reminder how long it's been since the Steelers have drafted and developed good enough players to re-sign. Signing JPJ is a no brainer. Look at the top teams in the NFL this season:
Seattle - Witherspoon
New England - Gonzalez
Denver - Surtain
Rams - just traded for McDuffie

Top teams have shutdown CBs. The Steelers have one and they should not give him away.
 
I think you have to pay him. We probably won't be strapped to a big QB contract for a few years still so may as well sign the good players we have. I think porter played pretty well and I'm hoping in a different system it will allow him and others to really break out
 
Pay him - top 10 salary, but not top 5
 
We’re in this ****-ing mess because our previous Coach & staff couldn’t develop a player (that wasn’t already great and some say even they took a step backwards).

I think MM and staff will be seeing developed players that get 2nd contracts, a rarity from previous staff.

I know that doesn’t answer JPJ question, but his is a little defined from our past. We want players that make the second contracts, but also don’t want to over pay or be held hostage.

This proclamation of his (son) is originated from the dad.

I say pay him, but to a degree of derivative and incentive based.

Mahomes has an incentive & roster based yearly into his contract, maybe a similar approach is warranted.




Salute the nation
 
It's hard to add incentives like in a QB contract, they don't have the ball on their hands to direct plays , they are completely dependant on the other team's playcalling
 
First of all, there's only three cornerbacks in the entire NFL making 30+ million dollars a year: McDuffie, Gardner, and Stingley. The #4 guy makes 25 mill. So "looking at North of 32 million" would be asinine for Joey Porter, a guy who just figured out how to stop grabbing and getting penalized after 2.5 years in the league.

The Steelers are already paying a lot of money in the secondary for Ramsey and Dean. Ramsey has an 8-figure dead cap number for the next two years, so dropping him in order to retain JPJ at 30+ million would cost them well north of 40 net. Plus we all know about TJ Watt's $42 million cap hit for 2026 and 2027. It's just not financially feasible to spend that much more on an already overpaid defense.

If they can trade Porter to a bad team for a first-round pick in 2027, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
 
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Hes going to be top five minimum. You routinely see lesser QBs make bigger dollars then true franchise guys. Hes north of 30 million for sure. Im assuming he will be highest paid at position once inflation is included.
 
The Steelers are already paying a lot of money in the secondary for Ramsey and Dean. Ramsey has an 8-figure dead cap number for the next two years, so dropping him in order to retain JPJ at 30+ million would cost them well north of 40 net. Plus we all know about TJ Watt's $42 million cap hit for 2026 and 2027. It's just not financially feasible to spend that much more on an already overpaid defense.

If they can trade Porter to a bad team for a first-round pick in 2027, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
Looking at Ramsey’s contract, I’m under the impression that although they have already paid 5.5 million for 2026 which indicates he will be playing for Pittsburgh for 21 mil in 2026, that will take care on his guaranteed money. If they part ways after this season, they suffer nothing in dead cap. I don’t see them paying another 21 million in 2027 based on his on field anticipated production for this season.

It’s not hard to understand Porter’s demands considering his value vs guys like Ramsey. I also realize like all negotiating ploys, he and his agent are throwing out a high number considering the give and take during negotiations.

They’re not going to franchise tag Herbig so it gives Kahn and company time with Porter but they’re going to need to make a decision at OLB. They can’t re sign Herbig, Porter and hold onto Highsmith, Watt and Ramsey, the obvious two are Ramsey (cut next year) and trade Highsmith. Watt’s stupid azz contract makes it impossible to move him for value.
 
I don't like porter and his pass interference style. But, he is a pain in the @ss, and that is what you want a corner to be. 32M sounds like too much.
 
I think the Steelers will pay him well. I will let them figure that out. They seem to do fairly well in that area…
 
Watt’s stupid azz contract makes it impossible to move him for value.
Then just trade him for whatever you can get. The value is in not having to shell out $42 million a year for rapidly declining play.
 
It's hard to add incentives like in a QB contract, they don't have the ball on their hands to direct plays , they are completely dependant on the other team's playcalling


I only used Mahomes as an example. Incentives can be put into any player's contract, you just have to find the right ones and agree on the numbers that merit the pay.

Roster Bonus is also a way tp lower cost and keep easier "cut" possibilities.




Salute the nation
 
Hes going to be top five minimum. You routinely see lesser QBs make bigger dollars then true franchise guys. Hes north of 30 million for sure. Im assuming he will be highest paid at position once inflation is included.

No, just no, thirty is absurd. He may get a price north of twenty (APY.) It’s just not likely to be here. If he wants to take a hometown discount at around that value with a healthy guarantee, great. If not, there are always other suitors. Resetting markets with inconsistent seasons isn’t a thing. Good front offices have been trying to get away from the average reset concept for quite awhile. Just because a top, top tier player pushes the ceiling, it doesn’t mean it trickles down.

In my opinion, as of right now, Junior doesn’t have phenomenal. He’s a solid CB, definitely top fifteen. He’s probably top ten if you ask the right panel of experts. You have to have some really phenomenal stuff to be inconsistent and get rewarded. I see good and inconsistent, not phenomenal. This year will be telling. The going rate for solid is around twenty. Truly life changing money, when you factor in the cost of living in Pittsburgh and the surrounding counties, it’s a pretty solid deal.

On another note, that Ramsey contract is going to really look like an albatross when they attempt to negotiate with Junior. Khan has to operate from the stance that it can’t be used to support a higher value due to it being an outlier. Seeing as the left field of contract negotiation topics is here, I’ll offer my thoughts. If they want to trade Ramsey, it is going to require a creative solution. He needs to play well. Then, they need a trade partner for the back half of 2026, early part of 2027. There would probably need to be a beneficial pre-negotiated restructure before any trade. Compensation would probably be Ramsey and a mid rounder for a higher mid rounder.
 
Then just trade him for whatever you can get. The value is in not having to shell out $42 million a year for rapidly declining play.
I’m wondering what team would give us anything unless it was a swap of high salary players. Who wants to shave over 40 million from their payroll for Watt’s 2025 production. I understand the freak accident/incompetence severely cut into his stats and I’m sure impacted his performance upon return. I think he’s going to have a good season (as long as he stays relatively healthy but that’s also part of the equation. The team made their decision and will have to live with it.

Just keeping my fingers crossed for a big rebound for a season or two.
 
This web page never ceases to amaze me. We have a young, budding defensive star and we want to trade him because we signed older guys for too much money? This guy is a cornerstone of the rebuild.

It's like you all have Stockholm Syndrome and just want to keep patchworking 9/10 win teams together year after year.
 
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