Mike Tomlin Gets One-Year Extension

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Tomlin haters should love this. Just a 1 year extension shows pretty clearly that he's on thin ice. This is a prove it contract.

 

[SojournerSteel]

You'd trade Tomlin for Harbaugh twice on Sundays? The guy who drafted Lamar Jackson in the first round? The guy who's gone 32-32 in his last 4 seasons and went 1 and done in his first postseason showing in those four years? Think I'm going to have to disagree on that one.

He won the Division with LJ -- who scored 13 on his Wonderlic. He's won more playoff games than Shades in one less season and done more with less over his tenure.

When I think of those two, the Bum Phillips line about Don Shula comes to mind.

"He can take his'n's and beat your'n's, and he can take your'n's and beat his'n's."

Give Hairball the Steelers rosters and Ben over the past 11 years and he would have won more playoff games than Tomlin did. Because he did with his own less heralded rosters.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Shades is far from perfect, hell I'd say he's mediocre on a good day, but he's still better than Hairball.

Hairball won the division last year with LJ running Knute Rocke stuff.

Hairball can certainly coach defense better than Shades. I wonder if Blake Bortles hangs 45 on Hairball at home in that spot?

I'm not saying Hairball is perfect, but he's a little more nimble than Shades when it comes to doing more with less.

 

[Steelworth]

He won the Division with LJ -- who scored 13 on his Wonderlic. He's won more playoff games than Shades in one less season and done more with less over his tenure.

When I think of those two, the Bum Phillips line about Don Shula comes to mind.

"He can take his'n's and beat your'n's, and he can take your'n's and beat his'n's."

Give Hairball the Steelers rosters and Ben over the past 11 years and he would have won more playoff games than Tomlin did. Because he did with his own less heralded rosters.

Look at his last 4 years. He hasn't beaten Shades on **** for that period. As many warts that Shades has, you really can't argue this:

Hairball - 32-32 -- 0-1 postseason
Shades - 43-20 -- 3-3 postseason

 

[Steelworth]

I screwed up, I used Shades last 5 seasons instead of 4. Lemme figure the numbers out and edit it.

 

[slashsteel]

C'mon maneeeeeeeeeeeeeee











you need it tighter than that.

 

[Acereros]

This is horrible decision making if it's true. Ben is the offense. He's doing great no matter who the OC happens to be. There is no reason to bring in a new system since Tomlin doesn't have a system to start with. It has nothing to do with him. I understand they don't want to start over with Ben nearing the end of his career. But think of this logic... Ben was in his prime the past 8 years. What has the organization seen from Tomlin that makes them think he is going to win a SB in 3 years since Ben won't be getting any younger and Tomlin isn't getting any better at his job after 12 years.

One more thing that bothers me about the Steelers. They can't admit a mistake when it comes to HCs. They think that since it worked in the past it always will work. Why does every coach have to stay here 15+ years? Tomlin hasn't won a SB in 10 years. And when his contract expires he will have been here 15 years. Why? Why waste a HOF Qbs career because you can't admit a mistake.

 

[Coryea]

Not the same thing...At this time, Cowher had 3 years left in his contract, so we have no idea in 2005 that the 2006 season was going to be his last season

In 2006, when Cowher had not signed a contract extension with 2 years left, it was a distraction, so much so that the steelers had started 2-6 and the focus was not there.

Of course, Roethlisberger's accident did not help, but it was still an awful year for the steelers.

The Seahawks gave Holmgren a pretty big raise after the Super Bowl, if I remember correctly, the Steelers would not give Cowher what Holmgren was making.

 

[steeltruckin]

Yea let's just fire Tomlin and forget that
1. Ben threw damn near 20 picks.

2. JuJu fumbled and cost a game.

3. Boswell missed kicks cost us a minimum 2 games.

4. Connor fumble late cost us a game.

5. The defense couldn't hold a lead.

6. Artie Burns. Yep fire Tomlin, if he was a great coach this wouldn't have happened.

 

[bermudasteel]

Yea let's just fire Tomlin and forget that
1. Ben threw damn near 20 picks.

2. JuJu fumbled and cost a game.

3. Boswell missed kicks cost us a minimum 2 games.

4. Connor fumble late cost us a game.

5. The defense couldn't hold a lead.

6. Artie Burns. Yep fire Tomlin, if he was a great coach this wouldn't have happened.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Prepare to be chastised for supporting the HC. Coach Tomlin is responsible for EVERYTHING that goes wrong in the organization...

 

[SojournerSteel]

Yea let's just fire Tomlin and forget that
1. Ben threw damn near 20 picks.

2. JuJu fumbled and cost a game.

3. Boswell missed kicks cost us a minimum 2 games.

4. Connor fumble late cost us a game.

5. The defense couldn't hold a lead.

6. Artie Burns. Yep fire Tomlin, if he was a great coach this wouldn't have happened.

What is Tomlin responsible for, exactly? Just timeouts and challenges?

The D and Burns should be placed directly at this feet -- because he runs the defense. Tomlin also overused Conner in the opener and typically stubbornly refused to rotate carries throughout the season in any meaningful way until his bell cow got hurt.

Don't forget the Tomlin culture that created the low football IQ machismo fumble with Grimble, and the mic drop by Nix after the failed fake punt with the season on the line.

The Captain is responsible for the ship. That's the reality of the ensigns of command.

 

[bermudasteel]

What is Tomlin responsible for, exactly? Just timeouts and challenges?

The D and Burns should be placed directly at this feet -- because he runs the defense. Tomlin also overused Conner in the opener and typically stubbornly refused to rotate carries throughout the season in any meaningful way until his bell cow got hurt.

Don't forget the Tomlin culture that created the low football IQ machismo fumble with Grimble, and the mic drop by Nix after the failed fake punt with the season on the line.

The Captain is responsible for the ship. That's the reality of the ensigns of command.

So HC's are responsible for INT's and fumbles now??? GTFOH!!!

 

[SojournerSteel]

So HC's are responsible for INT's and fumbles now??? GTFOH!!!

Would you characterize the Steelers team as a whole as "high football IQ?" From HC to 1-53.

If not, who is responsible for that?

Grimble made a low football IQ decision with what turned out to be the season on the line. A player has to know that ball security is paramount especially when a fumble out of the EZ results in a turnover.

Shades doesn't strike anyone has high football IQ himself. Maybe in theory wrapped in compensating-coachspeak, but not in execution of the finer points.

He's tofu. He derives his flava from the potency of the surrounding ingredients or lack thereof. In much the same way that his aviators absorb the UV spectrum during 1:00 road games.

There's little "native" to him that he puts in the pot.

 

[squidkid]

really shows how much rooney cares about winning or the reputation of the team..................3 more years of underachieving, here we come

 

[squidkid]

Yea let's just fire Tomlin and forget that
1. Ben threw damn near 20 picks.

2. JuJu fumbled and cost a game.

3. Boswell missed kicks cost us a minimum 2 games.

4. Connor fumble late cost us a game.

5. The defense couldn't hold a lead.

6. Artie Burns. Yep fire Tomlin, if he was a great coach this wouldn't have happened.

7. did you forget that tomlin kept ben out of the raiders game?. all those excuses that you used above were physical , tomlins was an ego/mental collapse
and fyi, tomlin runs that defense that couldnt hold a lead

 

[Vader]

Every coach that has ever been fired can point to individual plays on the field like fumbles, missed FGs and bad defense. So with that in mind no coach should ever be fired because they aren't on the field? Very ignorant argument.

 

[SteveA]

Can someone please start a FIRE TOMLIN thread?

We need to waste time on something that ain't happenin'......

 

[Supersteeler]

Head Coaches always get too much credit and too much blame. Always have. 90% of every game is decided by both the players on the field and the positional coaching given daily by position coaches. Head coaches that aren't also offensive or defensive coordinators are there to handle several duties. They challenge calls on the field, give suggestions to coordinators about strategy, give pep talks, give press conferences and apply their philosophy to their staff and let them know what they would like to see happen. I've always thought it was silly for people to act like head coaches were largely responsible for game day wins and losses. It's simply not so.

My head coach I had in high school is literally one of the most decorated coaches in all of Ohio HS football history. There are multiple events and programs named after him all over the state of Ohio to this day. Before becoming a head coach he was an OL coach. During every single practice I ever had, he hung out exclusively with the offensive line group the whole time and really only spoke to other position players as a group during pre and post practice/game pep talks. I was a WR and a DB. I think the guy said less than 10 words to me in 3 years and I know the other guys in those position groups had pretty much the same amount of contact.

He stayed completely removed from all other team activities. My WR coach and DB coach did 100% of our coaching both in terms of technique and in game day scheme. They were also the offensive and defensive coordinators. He had a phenomenal coaching staff and a dynasty of good players come through for like 10 years. His teams went to many state title games during that stretch. I can't honestly remember him contributing a single thing to schemes or doing any coaching of any other player on the team besides the OL. But his name is on the team so he gets the credit.

 

[bermudasteel]

Would you characterize the Steelers team as a whole as "high football IQ?" From HC to 1-53.

If not, who is responsible for that?

Grimble made a low football IQ decision with what turned out to be the season on the line. A player has to know that ball security is paramount especially when a fumble out of the EZ results in a turnover.

Shades doesn't strike anyone has high football IQ himself. Maybe in theory wrapped in compensating-coachspeak, but not in execution of the finer points.

He's tofu. He derives his flava from the potency of the surrounding ingredients or lack thereof. In much the same way that his aviators absorb the UV spectrum during 1:00 road games.

There's little "native" to him that he puts in the pot.

What happened to Grimble after he fumbled??? Coach Tomlin sat his butt for the rest of the game.

Players are going to make decisions on the field based on split second opportunities. A coach CANNOT make these decisions. The HC, all HC's, will react to boneheaded game time decisions.

When Ben threw 5 INT's vs. JAX - would you have pulled him from the game?

It is well documented that Coach Tomlin isn't a fan favorite---I said it yesterday, he was brought in to manage 'today's players' and he's done a pretty good job at that AND winning a couple games as well.

God, please let the season start.

 

[bermudasteel]

Head Coaches always get too much credit and too much blame. Always have. 90% of every game is decided by both the players on the field and the positional coaching given daily by position coaches. Head coaches that aren't also offensive or defensive coordinators are there to handle several duties. They challenge calls on the field, give suggestions to coordinators about strategy, give pep talks, give press conferences and apply their philosophy to their staff and let them know what they would like to see happen. I've always thought it was silly for people to act like head coaches were largely responsible for game day wins and losses. It's simply not so.

My head coach I had in high school is literally one of the most decorated coaches in all of Ohio HS football history. There are multiple events and programs named after him all over the state of Ohio to this day. Before becoming a head coach he was an OL coach. During every single practice I ever had, he hung out exclusively with the offensive line group the whole time and really only spoke to other position players as a group during pre and post practice/game pep talks. I was a WR and a DB. I think the guy said less than 10 words to me in 3 years and I know the other guys in those position groups had pretty much the same amount of contact.

He stayed completely removed from all other team activities. My WR coach and DB coach did 100% of our coaching both in terms of technique and in game day scheme. They were also the offensive and defensive coordinators. He had a phenomenal coaching staff and a dynasty of good players come through for like 10 years. His teams went to many state title games during that stretch. I can't honestly remember him contributing a single thing to schemes or doing any coaching of any other player on the team besides the OL. But his name is on the team so he gets the credit.

Thanks you sir - well said!!!

 

[SojournerSteel]

What happened to Grimble after he fumbled??? Coach Tomlin sat his butt for the rest of the game.

Players are going to make decisions on the field based on split second opportunities. A coach CANNOT make these decisions. The HC, all HC's, will react to boneheaded game time decisions.

When Ben threw 5 INT's vs. JAX - would you have pulled him from the game?

It is well documented that Coach Tomlin isn't a fan favorite---I said it yesterday, he was brought in to manage 'today's players' and he's done a pretty good job at that AND winning a couple games as well.

God, please let the season start.

No, I would not have pulled Ben because Ben has won Super Bowls. Ben has the capital to be granted leeway. He's high-beta. I don't care as much whether or not Tomlin benched Grimble after the Leon Lett impersonation, I'm concerned that Grimble wasn't coached up better on the front end.

Situational football.

Grimble's fumbled did not happen in isolation. You may disagree, but let me connect the dots. Grimble's fumble, and Nix's infamous mic drop in NO grew out of the Young Money Culture that Shades aided and abetted in the '10's. The mic drops, the preening, the look-at-me, the FB-live, tweeting about the Pats, losing to dregs, etc.

Cowherd called it "not buttoned up" a couple of years ago. That 3-word phrase encapsulated the Gilded Age with Shades.

 

[bermudasteel]

No, I would not have pulled Ben because Ben has won Super Bowls. Ben has the capital to be granted leeway. He's high-beta. I don't care as much whether or not Tomlin benched Grimble after the Leon Lett impersonation, I'm concerned that Grimble wasn't coached up better on the front end.

Situational football.

Grimble's fumbled did not happen in isolation. You may disagree, but let me connect the dots. Grimble's fumble, and Nix's infamous mic drop in NO grew out of the Young Money Culture that Shades aided and abetted in the '10's. The mic drops, the preening, the look-at-me, the FB-live, tweeting about the Pats, losing to dregs, etc.

Cowherd called it "not buttoned up" a couple of years ago. That 3-word phrase encapsulated the Gilded Age with Shades.

I'm certain there's a 'counter' for every supporting fact found that Coach Tomlin needs to be/does not need to be fired. As it has been stated, Coach Tomlin is coaching in a 'different era of football' from Coach Cowher and Coach Noll. He's game time interaction has been THOROUGHLY explained by Supersteeler (and others).

Now, that being said, it's now about quarter to 3PM and I've been at work since 6:45AM. The liquor store is calling my name, "Bermuda, I'm open - come get me"...

#dropsthemiclikeRosieNix

 

[Coryea]

Head Coaches always get too much credit and too much blame. Always have. 90% of every game is decided by both the players on the field and the positional coaching given daily by position coaches. Head coaches that aren't also offensive or defensive coordinators are there to handle several duties. They challenge calls on the field, give suggestions to coordinators about strategy, give pep talks, give press conferences and apply their philosophy to their staff and let them know what they would like to see happen. I've always thought it was silly for people to act like head coaches were largely responsible for game day wins and losses. It's simply not so.

My head coach I had in high school is literally one of the most decorated coaches in all of Ohio HS football history. There are multiple events and programs named after him all over the state of Ohio to this day. Before becoming a head coach he was an OL coach. During every single practice I ever had, he hung out exclusively with the offensive line group the whole time and really only spoke to other position players as a group during pre and post practice/game pep talks. I was a WR and a DB. I think the guy said less than 10 words to me in 3 years and I know the other guys in those position groups had pretty much the same amount of contact.

He stayed completely removed from all other team activities. My WR coach and DB coach did 100% of our coaching both in terms of technique and in game day scheme. They were also the offensive and defensive coordinators. He had a phenomenal coaching staff and a dynasty of good players come through for like 10 years. His teams went to many state title games during that stretch. I can't honestly remember him contributing a single thing to schemes or doing any coaching of any other player on the team besides the OL. But his name is on the team so he gets the credit.

Well said, and good points, but Tomlin is the one running this defense that constantly gives up huge plays, it's not one of his assistants, it's him. Tomlin is the one throwing the red flags, he's the one constantly trotting out 2DL, even on short yardage situations, using an ILB to cover WR's, calling a toss to the short side of the field on 4th and short in a playoff game.
He's made some horrible in game decisions that have a direct result in us losing games.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Well said, and good points, but Tomlin is the one running this defense that constantly gives up huge plays, it's not one of his assistants, it's him. Tomlin is the one throwing the red flags, he's the one constantly trotting out 2DL, even on short yardage situations, using an ILB to cover WR's, calling a toss to the short side of the field on 4th and short in a playoff game.
He's made some horrible in game decisions that have a direct result in us losing games.

Right. Nobody needs to run him through AFIS to confirm that his fingerprints are everywhere.

 

[SojournerSteel]

I'm certain there's a 'counter' for every supporting fact found that Coach Tomlin needs to be/does not need to be fired. As it has been stated, Coach Tomlin is coaching in a 'different era of football' from Coach Cowher and Coach Noll. He's game time interaction has been THOROUGHLY explained by Supersteeler (and others).

Now, that being said, it's now about quarter to 3PM and I've been at work since 6:45AM. The liquor store is calling my name, "Bermuda, I'm open - come get me"...

#dropsthemiclikeRosieNix

OK, you made me laugh. Cheers..