Something! Anything! Please, Allah, ANYTHING! Any minute now....
And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia
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Something! Anything! Please, Allah, ANYTHING! Any minute now....
I have to tell you I enjoy your posts. I realize you and I are on different spectrums politically, but I just wanted you to know I appreciate your not so brash posts and lack of attacking those who don't agree with your views. Those are the kind of discussions I like to have, not seeing eye to eye and being ok with that.
Having said that and remaining on topic, I don't believe the Russian thing to be a farce, but I'm personally waiting to see the final findings before I can say anything else about it. The connections are there, but whether they involve trump himself or not I'm more wait and see cause I have no idea what info the investigation has or doesn't have. So yes I personally agree with you, we'll see.
I think Sundance is on to something here. The original fisa warrant was granted for a fictitious report that DJT paid some hookers to piss on a bed. Bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC (and perhaps McCain and Rubio which I can believe). That original warrant, the most broad scope type of investigation tool, is the very same one that Mueller is using right now. Thanks Rosenstein.
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ly-18th-2017-mueller-and-rosenstein-timeline/
Fruit of the poisoned tree.
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ly-18th-2017-mueller-and-rosenstein-timeline/
Fruit of the poisoned tree.
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I think you’re on to SOMETHING!.
Trump should start tweeting “I have done NOTHING illegal! NOTHING!” instead of “There’s NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!”
I suspect that it’s no mistake that he doesn’t.
well, goddammit, he did SOMETHING illegal! SOMETHING!
This is my problem with the president, and I said it before. If he didn't tweet, he's have higher approval ratings, the press would have very little ammunition, and his merits would be what he is judged on, which there are a lot of positives.
Many people here on both sides are asking for fairness and open mindedness in processing news on Trump. This is a very good commentary on why moderate republicans would have problems with his actions.
You can't blow off this report Supe. It's on Fox News, which speaks to Trump's base. It's not on CNN or MSNBC, where we'd expect to see it. It's coming from the conservative media.
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Apparently, a judge doesn't think that Mueller has the power to bring the case against Manafort. Seems the judge thinks Mueller is outside his mandate.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ounsels-powers-in-manafort-case-idUSKBN1I51WE
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ounsels-powers-in-manafort-case-idUSKBN1I51WE
Congress needs to tweak the special prosecutor law. 1), they should be limited to only investigating the crime they are investigating. 2), there needs to be a crime to be investigated and not an investigation in search of a crime.
Weird, that. This American Hero, Robert Mueller, soundly rebuked by a Federal Judge for lying and using the investigation to bring down a President under false pretenses.
Exactly what we have seen all along.
Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump: 'C'mon man!'
A federal judge on Friday harshly rebuked Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team during a hearing for ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort – suggesting they lied about the scope of the investigation, are seeking “unfettered power” and are more interested in bringing down the president.
"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III told Mueller’s team. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."
Further, Ellis demanded to see the unredacted “scope memo,” a document outlining the scope of the special counsel’s Russia probe that congressional Republicans have also sought.
The hearing, where Manafort’s team fought to dismiss an 18-count indictment on tax and bank fraud-related charges, took a confrontational turn as it was revealed that at least some of the information in the investigation derived from an earlier Justice Department probe – in the U.S. attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia.
Manafort’s attorneys argue the special counsel does not have the power to indict him on the charges they have brought – and seemed to find a sympathetic ear with Ellis.
The Reagan-appointed judge asked Mueller’s team where they got the authority to indict Manafort on alleged crimes dating as far back as 2005.
The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not “arise” out of the special counsel probe – and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.
“We don’t want anyone with unfettered power,” he said.
Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.
Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.
He summed up the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."
He referenced the common exclamation from NFL announcers, saying: "C'mon man!"
The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted “scope memo” or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn’t pertain to Manafort.
“I’ll be the judge of that,” Ellis said.
House Republicans have also sought the full document, though the Justice Department previously released a redacted version, which includes information related to Manafort but not much else.
The charges in federal court in Virginia were on top of another round of charges in October. Manafort has pleaded not guilty to both rounds. The charges filed earlier this year include conspiring against the United States, conspiring to launder money, failing to register as an agent of a foreign principal and providing false statements.
Earlier this year, Ellis suggested that Manafort could face life in prison, and “poses a substantial flight risk” because of his “financial means and international connections to flee and remain at large.”
Exactly what we have seen all along.
Federal judge accuses Mueller's team of 'lying,' trying to target Trump: 'C'mon man!'
A federal judge on Friday harshly rebuked Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team during a hearing for ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort – suggesting they lied about the scope of the investigation, are seeking “unfettered power” and are more interested in bringing down the president.
"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III told Mueller’s team. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."
Further, Ellis demanded to see the unredacted “scope memo,” a document outlining the scope of the special counsel’s Russia probe that congressional Republicans have also sought.
The hearing, where Manafort’s team fought to dismiss an 18-count indictment on tax and bank fraud-related charges, took a confrontational turn as it was revealed that at least some of the information in the investigation derived from an earlier Justice Department probe – in the U.S. attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia.
Manafort’s attorneys argue the special counsel does not have the power to indict him on the charges they have brought – and seemed to find a sympathetic ear with Ellis.
The Reagan-appointed judge asked Mueller’s team where they got the authority to indict Manafort on alleged crimes dating as far back as 2005.
The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not “arise” out of the special counsel probe – and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.
“We don’t want anyone with unfettered power,” he said.
Mueller’s team says its authorities are laid out in documents including the August 2017 scope memo – and that some powers are actually secret because they involve ongoing investigations and national security matters that cannot be publicly disclosed.
Ellis seemed amused and not persuaded.
He summed up the Special Counsel’s Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."
He referenced the common exclamation from NFL announcers, saying: "C'mon man!"
The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted “scope memo” or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn’t pertain to Manafort.
“I’ll be the judge of that,” Ellis said.
House Republicans have also sought the full document, though the Justice Department previously released a redacted version, which includes information related to Manafort but not much else.
The charges in federal court in Virginia were on top of another round of charges in October. Manafort has pleaded not guilty to both rounds. The charges filed earlier this year include conspiring against the United States, conspiring to launder money, failing to register as an agent of a foreign principal and providing false statements.
Earlier this year, Ellis suggested that Manafort could face life in prison, and “poses a substantial flight risk” because of his “financial means and international connections to flee and remain at large.”
I was just about to post this story. Federal Judge calls this what it is -BULLSHIT- The house of cards are starting to crumble.
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Boom! It's all blowing up in their faces now
A Fed Judge who’s off the rez!
He could dismiss the case with prejudice and really screw with Mueller. Also, he could hold DOJ or Mueller in Contempt or charge them with perjury.
And what does this report say? Be honest. I watched it beginning to end. What exactly does it say that is damning?
I appreciate that, but I believe there is so much corruption in politics, nothing will ever be accomplished to make life better for all of us. The attitudes on this board reflect that. I think most of the time it's all in good fun, depending on how you lean. Anyone that takes this too seriously needs to step back a few steps if they think what they post on an internet chat board is going to change the world.
I will admit that the last Democrat I voted for was Eugene McCarthy in the PA primary a long, long time ago. And I'm pretty sure I voted that way because of a certain young lady I was interested in, and had nothing to do with politics.
But I believe Chip hit it on the head with his post of Trump being a pragmatist, and searching for answers rather than politics as usual. Isn't that the real reason we should be sending these folks to Washington?
Short of term limits and burning lobbyists at the stake, I question that anything will change.
By definition, an investigation is not going in with any pretense. They are being open minded to see if any information is usable to build a case. A lot of the time, investigations yield nothing, and that is still possible in this case. But you can't say, you can only investigate one part of a case. Otherwise drug cartels would only be prosecuted for dealing drugs. Not for murder, racketeering, money laundering, or international transportation of illegal contraband. That's why we see multiple charges when cases are prosecuted. Through the investigation, each new piece of information is researched until that thread ends. Other pieces of information open up more threads to research, and each of those threads are investigated until those threads end. That's why investigations take a long time when there are a lot of threads to tie.
Some of you are acting like due process can't exist when it comes to a president. No one is above the law, and if Trump did something illegal, he needs to answer to the American people for it. If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to worry about and will be exonerated.
Quite succinctly, that Trump is his own worst enemy in providing material via tweets to constantly be reported by media. That he is less reliable and more fake than the fake news he derides. And he is tweeting conflicting information.
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He also is tweeting information directly to the people who are not getting it from the media. As far as the investigation at this point they are trying to create a crime with perjury where no crime existed to begin with.
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Excellent post Cope. This should be pinned permanently to the top of the board. It seems Trump supporters need to be reminded of this on a daily basis.
OK so nothing damning. You told Supe, "you cannot blow off this report" as if it were some Russian bombshell. People don't like the way he communicates and waffles. Oooooh, ooooh.
Yep, he tweets conflicting information. And he has the media not knowing what is coming next every day. While he bypasses them to communicate with us. That strategy is working. The fact that even Fox is pissed off about it tells me it is.
Riddle me this: how can a guy be such a buffoon, on the one hand, yet on the other be accomplishing so damned much? He's just the luckiest guy ever?
I mean, he's got this revolving door White House where he hires and fires like he's on the Apprentice still. He's a babbling idiot. He slept with a porn star. Daily he fights the media and Mueller and the Left at every turn right?
Yet somehow, this "dope" who's so guilty of all of the above, with no help from anyone (cuz remember it's a revolving door) has got the economy booming, companies reinvesting in the USA, jobs creation is skyrocketing, he's placed a Justice, he's restructured the courts, he's tackling immigration, ISIS is on the run, North Korea and South Korea are making up and Kim's dropping his nuclear program and on and on and on. Check out the Winning thread for daily examples.
I wish I could be that stupid then.
Weird how he's his own worst enemy, isn't reliable, and tweets conflicting information, but he's getting work done. I wish he was more professional but given the situation, I'll take a non-traditional politician who gets results with his warts any day compared to what we've suffered through in most of my lifetime.
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The "connections" are there, but they are pointing in the other direction. If you choose to believe something with no evidence then you had better be willing to believe something with evidence.
I think you're confusing my point. There is no bombshell on Russia in the commentary, just a reporter stating why Trump gets negative press. I have nothing against the merits of my president, and I've been very positive on the things he's done right. A lot of people here on the right allow a lot of leeway with his handling of information/ misinformation. So my question would be, if this president was doing the same things, and was a democrat, would you allow him the exact same leeway?
I wouldn't, but that is an advantage to questioning everything.
Michael Flynn committed no crime of lying to the FBI according to Mueller's investigators, yet he was still indicted. He was a career public servant with impeccable record. Yeah, nothing to worry about here.
Tibs, I never considered you to be naive, but I am now having my doubts.
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That's not how investigations work, that's how politics work. Investigations can't create a crime, because you need facts and evidence to build a case. They can't be fabricated after the fact. Many people would lose their jobs, and everyone that I know in intelligence, has a lot more integrity than the pundits that are trying to discredit an investigation before it is over.
I also called it in an earlier thread. This is the strategy of the right to use the time needed to complete an investigation, to say that there is nothing, and now the charges are fabricated, before the case is completed. Investigations take months, not days to complete. This is why I question anyone who states there are no charges and it is a 'witch hunt' before the charges are even presented. It's like stating that you KNOW the Broncos are going to win the superbowl this year, before the results of the games are played.
Hang on a second. If Flynn committed no crime, why did he plead guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI?
He plead guilty to this charge:
https://www.scribd.com/document/366038635/Michael-Flynn-charging-document#from_embed
The DOJ has like a 93% conviction rate, plus an unlimited wallet to continue to pursue you until you cave of something. Hence no evidence in Russia so they'll punt for a process crime (contempt, perjury whether real or not). They will come at you until you are broke and cannot fight anymore. Flynn probably just decided it wasn't worth it for his family or his kids' financial future. It's a nasty **** sandwich.
Every piece of information (or dis-information) about this investigation has been leaked. Dont you think that any proof against Trump would have already been leaked by now? The only thing that has NOT been leaked is the fact that there is no evidence.
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