Bathhouse Barry and the Mail-Ins ... What could go wrong??

[Steeltime]

Mail-in ballots, used for the first time nationwide, THIS election? Uh-oh.

Vote-by-mail experiment reveals potential problems within postal voting system ahead of November election

Mail-in voting, for many, is as simple as sending a letter, but rules vary across the country for when a voter can get their ballot and when it should be returned. In 2016, more than 73,000 out of 33 million mail-in ballots arrived too late to be counted.

Many Americans are expected to vote by mail for the first time in November 2020 because of coronavirus concerns, so "CBS This Morning" sent out 100 mock ballots, simulating 100 voters in locations across Philadelphia, in an experiment to see how long one should give themselves to make sure their vote counts.

"We're gonna see somewhere between probably 80 and 100 million voters receiving their ballot that way," former Arizona election official Tammy Patrick told "CBS This Morning" co-host Tony Dokoupil. Patrick is now a senior adviser for the elections program at Democracy Fund.

For the experiment, a P.O. box was set up to represent a local election office. A few days after the initial ballots were mailed, 100 more were sent.

The mock ballots used the same size envelope and same class of mail as real ballots, and even had mock votes folded in to approximate the weight. The biggest difference: real mail-in ballots have a logo that is meant to expedite them. "CBS This Morning" was unable to include those the trial.

A week after initial ballots were sent, most ballots appeared to be missing from the P.O. box.

"I don't see anything back there for you," a postal worker told Dokoupil when he received the mail. "That's all I have back there right now." After asking for a manager and explaining the situation to them, the votes were found. "They had them somewhere else," the postal worker said.

Then, another problem — missorted mail.

"We got a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie," Dokoupil said, as he read a postcard mistakenly placed in "CBS This Morning's" P.O. box. "Have a sweet b-day. Get it? There's a bee on top."

The postcard, along with another piece of missorted mail, was then sent to the correct recipient.

Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived. Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal.

Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the votes hadn't arrived.

According to Postal Service recommendations, "voters should mail their return ballots at least one week prior to the due date."

However, nearly half of all states still allow voters to request ballots less than a week before the election.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/

21% of ballots still not there after one week, and 3% of ballots simply ... gone after two weeks. Disappeared. Vanished. And how many that reach the registrar or Secretary of State are simply tossed due to errors on the ballot? New Jersey's experience with a city council election, with mail-in ballots only, showed that 19% - repeat, 19 freaking percent - of mail-in ballots were tossed due to errors or irregularities with the ballots:

In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections. Due to the pandemic, Paterson’s election was done through vote-by-mail.

Mail-in ballots have long been acknowledged by voting experts to be more susceptible to fraud and irregularities than in-person voting. This has raised concerns from President Trump and other Republicans about the integrity of national elections in November, which are expected to include a dramatic increase in mail-in ballots. If Paterson is any guide, it ought to concern Democrats as well.

Over 800 ballots in Paterson were invalidated for appearing in mailboxes improperly bundled together – including a one mailbox where hundreds of ballots were in a single packet. The bundles were turned over to law enforcement to investigate potential criminal activity related to the collection of the ballots.

The board of elections disqualified another 2,300 ballots after concluding that the signatures on them did not match the signatures on voter records.

Reporting by NBC further uncovered citizens of Paterson who are listed as having voted, but who told the news outlet they never received a ballot and did not vote. One woman, Ramona Javier, after being shown the list of people on her block who allegedly voted, told the outlet she knew of eight family members and neighbors who were wrongly listed. “We did not receive vote-by-mail ballots and thus we did not vote,” she said. “This is corruption. This is fraud.”

There were multiple reports that large numbers of mail-in ballots were left on the lobby floors of apartment buildings and not delivered to residents’ individual mailboxes, further casting doubt on the integrity of the election.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

So to sum up ... mail-in ballots lost, misplaced, missing, tossed, thrown out, etc. at a rate of at least 3% and as much as 21%.

What effect would just 4% have on a national election? It would change the outcome:

1. Michigan 0.3 percent
Trump 47.6 percent, Clinton 47.3 percent
Difference: 13,080 votes

2. New Hampshire 0.4 percent
Clinton 47.6 percent, Trump 47.2 percent
Difference: 2,701 votes

3. Wisconsin 1 percent
Trump 47.9 percent, Clinton 46.9 percent
Difference: 27,257 votes

4. Pennsylvania 1.2 percent
Trump 48.8 percent, Clinton 47.6 percent
Difference: 68,236 votes (99 percent reporting)

5. Florida 1.2 percent
Trump 49 percent, Clinton 47.8 percent
Difference: 114,455 votes

6. Minnesota 1.5 percent
Clinton 46.4 percent, Trump 44.9 percent
Difference: 44,470 votes

7. Nevada 2.4 percent
Clinton 47.9 percent, Trump 45.5 percent
Difference: 26,434 votes

8. Maine 2.7 percent
Clinton 47.9 percent, Trump 45.2 percent
Difference: 19,995 votes

9. North Carolina 3.8 percent
Trump 49.9 percent, Clinton 46.1 percent
Difference: 177,009 votes

10. Arizona 3.9 percent
Trump 49.3 percent, Clinton 45.4 percent
Difference: 91,682 votes

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run...14/the-10-closest-states-in-the-2016-election

That is the sole reason why (D)ims are so greased up about mail-in ballots: They control the vote count. "It's not the vote that counts, it's who counts the votes."

 

[wig]

2 things, first - if states do what they are SUPPOSED to regarding mail in voter registration and identification, it will result in hundreds of thousands if not millions of discarded votes. And generally speaking, the lion's share of discarded votes will be liberal votes.

2ndly, should puppet Joe win, it gives us all complete free reign to riot, loot, tear statues down - whatever we want for 4 years!

 

[jitter77]

I hate the idea of mail in voting, but this study is flawed. Sample size is way too small, and people were not expecting ballots. I would have probably just pitched the envelope without even opening it thinking it was junk mail. Also 73k seems like a large amount, but when you compare it to 33 mill you 0.2%. I'm sure there are problems with mail in voting, but this "study" was kinda pointless. I just hope the majority of polling places are open in person so nether side can whine about it

 

[43Hitman]

I hate the idea of mail in voting, but this study is flawed. Sample size is way too small, and people were not expecting ballots. I would have probably just pitched the envelope without even opening it thinking it was junk mail. Also 73k seems like a large amount, but when you compare it to 33 mill you 0.2%. I'm sure there are problems with mail in voting, but this "study" was kinda pointless. I just hope the majority of polling places are open in person so nether side can whine about it

Did you even read the CBS article? They did not send those ballots to "people" they sent them to post office boxes to simulate people.

 

[Djfan]

Biden wins this election, thanks to cheating and voter fraud.

sorry, but this nation is toast.

 

[wig]

Also 73k seems like a large amount, but when you compare it to 33 mill you 0.2%.

Odd... cause a few weeks ago that was more than enough to cause a nation-wide panic.

 

[Badcat]

Odd... cause a few weeks ago that was more than enough to cause a nation-wide panic.

And Wig with the Buuuurrnnnnn!!

Nicely done.

 

[Steeltime]

I hate the idea of mail in voting, but this study is flawed. Sample size is way too small, and people were not expecting ballots.

What are you talking about? The CBS crew sent all 200 ballots, using identical size, weight and postage as official ballots. THEY mailed the ersatz ballots to check the results, and found that 3% simply disappeared AFTER TWO WEEKS, and 21% were missing after one week. The government tells us that ballots mailed at least 7 days before the election will be counted.

Uhh, no, they won't. A very large percentage - an election-changing number - will simply disappear, like Hiden Biden in his basement. Simply dismissing the results for no legit reason is ridiculous.

 

[Tibs]

Three months before the election, the President of the richest and most powerful country in the world is riling up his base with notions of voter fraud, claiming the election will be stained by cheating and corruption on a mass scale.

Sounds to me it's high time for the UN to send in some independent election observers from places like Sudan, Bosnia, Trinidad and Tobago, etc. I mean if the United States, the preeminent democracy on the planet can't organize and oversee free and fair elections, who can?

Maybe it's time for Trump to pick up the phone and call for some help.

 

[Steelworth]

Three months before the election, the President of the richest and most powerful country in the world is riling up his base with notions of voter fraud, claiming the election will be stained by cheating and corruption on a mass scale.

Sounds to me it's high time for the UN to send in some independent election observers from places like Sudan, Bosnia, Trinidad and Tobago, etc. I mean if the United States, the preeminent democracy on the planet can't organize and oversee free and fair elections, who can?

Maybe it's time for Trump to pick up the phone and call for some help.

From the ultra-conservative NYT:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nearly six weeks later, two congressional races in New York remain undecided amid a deluge of mail-in ballots in what could be a harbinger of problems looming in November. "This election is a canary in the coal mine." ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/jessemckinley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jessemckinley</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/TnTiCIHtWC">https://t.co/TnTiCIHtWC</a></p>— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) <a href="https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1290275767021010945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Steeltime]

three years after the election, the bitter, divided, idiot losers of the most racist party ever to exist in the richest and most powerful country in the world is still riling up its immature, stupid, ignorant, dumb, lazy base with notions of voter fraud, claiming the election was stained by cheating and corruption on a mass scale.

f t f y

 

[wig]

My wife works the elections. Not as an election judge, mind you, but in the courthouse where they prepare ballots and oversee the entire election process.

I know for a fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ballots will be voided and people will scream about it.

The best thing YOU can do is stay on top of the process. Make sure the courthouse knows your proper address and has your voter registration information on file and vote immediately when you get your ballot. THEN check with the updated voter records to determine that your ballot was received and entered.

And just for good measure, if you see anybody collecting ballots at nursing homes or hospitals or anything like that... tackle them and beat them to **** as THAT is illegal.

 

[wig]

And Tibs... Due to the whole "mail in" ballot crap, Should Trump lose the election, you KNOW as well as everyone else that it was due utterly and completely to voter fraud. It's absolutely and unapologetically free license to declare the election absolutely fraudulent.

Sleep well.

 

[Steeltime]

The left is actually claiming that TRUMP is undermining American confidence in our elections ...

 

[Tibs]

The left is actually claiming that TRUMP is undermining American confidence in our elections ...

How in the world would they ever get THAT idea? Crazy.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2020 alone, President Trump has already made public comments, posted Twitter messages or reposted others suggesting election fraud 91 times.<br><br>That erodes our democracy.<a href="https://t.co/ulNM9D52fw">https://t.co/ulNM9D52fw</a></p>— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1289803159368396800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Djfan]

How in the world would they ever get THAT idea? Crazy.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2020 alone, President Trump has already made public comments, posted Twitter messages or reposted others suggesting election fraud 91 times.<br><br>That erodes our democracy.<a href="https://t.co/ulNM9D52fw">https://t.co/ulNM9D52fw</a></p>— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1289803159368396800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Yeah. In this case he is correct.

 

[jitter77]

i misunderstood. i thought they sent them out to be returned. Still they were not official and they were not going to an election center. If they still want to stick with the 100 theme then they should have 2 PO boxes. One just send 100 random letters to and the other one send the fake votes to. It should also be repeated multiple times. I would be very interested in those results

 

[Steelworth]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your daily reminder that vote counting in the 2020 general election will be an absolute, unmitigated disaster that will leave the result in doubt no matter which side wins. <a href="https://t.co/bGbqxHCSLJ">https://t.co/bGbqxHCSLJ</a></p>— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) <a href="https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1290453251616321540?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why why why why America? Not only is nobody going to win in this, but it's going to further splinter the already fragile state of our nation (and that's putting it lightly). It's almost as if this is a concerted effort for that to happen. Might be time to start looking at large properties in Wyoming.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Arizona's primary it tomorrow, I'll be risking the 'rona and showing up at the polls bright and early.

Should I fall victim the the plague, know that it's been fun.

 

[Tibs]

Trump and his mail-in voting scam get exposed, badly. This actually hurts to watch, it's that painful.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump on mail-in voting. <br><br>I like how <a href="https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jonathanvswan</a> explains it to Trump in a whisper like he’s talking to a toddler. <a href="https://t.co/nrJ6K2MIEY">pic.twitter.com/nrJ6K2MIEY</a></p>— Amarnath Amarasingam (@AmarAmarasingam) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/1290658965488115717?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[IndySteel]

Only people who want to cheat have a problem with showing I.D. to vote.

 

[Troglodyte]

The left is actually claiming that TRUMP is undermining American confidence in our elections ...

GOP leaders in several states are saying they’re encountering resistance to mail-in voting. Ha!

 

[wig]

Could it be because it's so obviously stupid and unnecessary?

Either the masks work, or they don't. Which is it?

 

[Tibs]

Lol, he's such a clown, he's not even pretending to be impartial. It's like he has no ***** left to give. So now mail-in is fine, as long as its in his stronghold of Florida. I'm sure other GOP-leaning states will soon follow. The whole thing's been strange from the get-go, since the GOP has been pushing mail-in to their base of retirees for months now, until Trump went off on it like a raving lunatic. Maybe someone tapped him on the shoulder and whispered in his ear, that it may not be such a great idea to keep his supporters from mailing-in their ballots. What a three-ring circus, each and every day. Unreal.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MAGA</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290692768675901440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Steeltime]

Tibs, the ******* thread is about the clear, demonstrated problems with mail-in voting. It is ****** up and will simply "disappear" 3% of the vote right away and another unknown percent - maybe as high as 5% - for "irregularities" in the mail-in ballot.

You don't say one ******* word about 8% of the vote being ignored - literally, not a word - and somehow post some stupid **** about ******* TRUMP??

Jesus Christ, see a doctor.