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Bathhouse Barry and the Mail-Ins ... What could go wrong??

Oh, and Tibs ... do you know the difference between requesting an absentee ballot and the "vote by mail" scheme of the corrupt, lying Dims? Serious question.

Because Trump was asking Republicans to get absentee ballots. I have previously discussed the difference between absentee balloting (available in every state for many years) and mass mail-in free-for-all ballots, sent out without request and without verification (a Dim staple).

Voted today. Interesting thing ... moved to Arizona about 1 1/2 years ago so first time voting here. Know what the lady at the polling place asked to see before giving me a ballot?

My Arizona driver's license. Proof of eligibility to vote. Go figure.
 
Tibs, the ******* thread is about the clear, demonstrated problems with mail-in voting. It is ****** up and will simply "disappear" 3% of the vote right away and another unknown percent - maybe as high as 5% - for "irregularities" in the mail-in ballot.

You don't say one ******* word about 8% of the vote being ignored - literally, not a word - and somehow post some stupid **** about ******* TRUMP??

Jesus Christ, see a doctor.

Yeah, Tibs! You post some stupid **** about Trump like he just flipped and endorsed mail-in voting or something!
 
Oh, and Tibs ... do you know the difference between requesting an absentee ballot and the "vote by mail" scheme of the corrupt, lying Dims? Serious question.

Because Trump was asking Republicans to get absentee ballots. I have previously discussed the difference between absentee balloting (available in every state for many years) and mass mail-in free-for-all ballots, sent out without request and without verification (a Dim staple).

Voted today. Interesting thing ... moved to Arizona about 1 1/2 years ago so first time voting here. Know what the lady at the polling place asked to see before giving me a ballot?

My Arizona driver's license. Proof of eligibility to vote. Go figure.

ANDbefore entering the poll, the door was opened for me, surgical gloves, hand sanitizer and a mask were offered to me (already had the mask). I was led one on one to a computer screen where my drivers license was scanned to print a ballot.
The black sharpie was used once and then placed in a bin to be disinfected. After feeding my ballot into the scanning machine, I was offered hand sanitizer and once again the door was held open for me.
In and out in less than 5 minutes.

I'd have a better chance of catching this virus at Home Depot.
 
Because Trump was asking Republicans to get absentee ballots. I have previously discussed the difference between absentee balloting (available in every state for many years) and mass mail-in free-for-all ballots, sent out without request and without verification (a Dim staple).

From what I've read, the difference between the two have been wildly exaggerated, unsurprisingly by Trump, right-wing pundits and activists.

It's my understanding mail-in and absentee ballots are pretty much the same thing. Both require an application to be sent in, all the info and data is checked and confirmed, then the ballot is sent to the voter.

So help clear the air on this. Point me in the right direction to find legitimate info on what you describe as 'mass mail-in free-for-all ballots, sent out without request and without verification.'

You can call me a few obscenities and yell at me before you do, just so I can be sure it's Steeltime who's replying. Thanks.
 
It's my understanding mail-in and absentee ballots are pretty much the same thing. Both require an application to be sent in, all the info and data is checked and confirmed, then the ballot is sent to the voter.

Wrong. For a guy who purports to do so much research...the answer is at your fingertips. Avoid Mother Jones and CNN.

An absentee ballot is a ballot used to cast an absentee vote, which is submitted, usually by mail, by an absentee. Absentee, here, refers to a person who can’t physically be present at a voting center on Election Day. To get an absentee ballot, a registered voter must request one through their state government, which accepts or rejects the application.

Five states—Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Utah, and Hawaii—already conduct their elections through a mail-in process that’s often referred to as all-mail voting. Registered voters in these states automatically receive a mail ballot, which is sent to their address before Election Day and mailed back by the voter or deposited at a voting location or secure dropbox by a certain time on Election Day.

Why is it so hard to see the difference? A voter must REQUEST an absentee ballot. All mail voting, ballots by mail, mailed ballots (whatever you call it) are AUTOMATICALLY sent to all registered voters.

See the problem? I've been dead for 45 years. A ballot is mailed to me because my corrupt state (unlike Florida) taints, manipulates, and does not clean out their voter rolls. I get a ballot as does my dead Granny. I moved 6 months ago, the post office has the wrong address, my ballot is sent to my prior address. ANYONE can fill those out and mail them in.

If you say now you still can't see the difference or the potential problem...
 
Yeah, Tibs! You post some stupid **** about Trump like he just flipped and endorsed mail-in voting or something!

No, he didn't, you idiot. He encouraged Floridians to get ABSENTEE ballots.

Trying to talk to you is like talking to a cat. You suspect the cat may understand a couple of words but is just too ******* stubborn to listen.
 
In the meantime, here's some info I've gathered on the subject:

Is Voting by Mail Safe and Reliable? We Asked State and Local Elections Officials
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/i...we-asked-state-and-local-elections-officials/

Based on her experience as Washington State’s Director of Elections, Lori Augino added that “Of the nearly 3.2 million ballots cast [in Washington in 2018], only 0.004% of the total ballots cast may have been fraudulent.”

According to Washington’s Lori Augino, “The linchpin of our security is signature verification.”

“Every single signature on every single ballot that is returned to a county election official is checked against the signature on file in a voter’s registration record. This enables officials to do to two things: (1) ensure the ballot was returned by an eligible voter, and (2) if the signature on the ballot envelope does not match the signature on file, it gives the voter a chance to either update their record or alert election officials that the ballot returned may be fraudulent.”

Voting by mail is not only safe, it’s secure
https://uspirg.org/blogs/covid-19/usp/voting-mail-not-only-safe-it’s-secure

Study after study shows there’s no evidence of significant widespread voter fraud or security issues associated with vote-by-mail. Most recently, a Washington Post and Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) analysis of three vote-by-mail states found that officials identified just 372 possible cases of improper voting out of about 14.6 million votes cast by mail in the 2016 and 2018 general elections, or 0.0025 percent.

The reason that there are so few examples of improper voting (someone voting twice, filling out a ballot for someone else, etc.) is that states, especially those who have a long history of voting by mail, have established strong safeguards to prevent it. Here are a few simple but important security measures that make it exceedingly difficult for election fraud to occur.

The most common way to ensure absentee ballots are coming from the intended voter is signature verification. Before you mail in or drop off your ballot, you have to sign the ballot envelope. That signature is then closely examined by election officials, trained by experts, to see if it matches your signature on file. If a potential issue is identified, the elections office will contact you to attempt to fix the issue, usually by confirming you cast your ballot and then verifying the information. If the issue is resolved, the vote counts; if it isn’t, it’s not counted.

Most election jurisdictions also use some form of bar codes on ballots for tracking. Each voter has their own unique bar code, and when yours is submitted and scanned, it’s tracked in the system and you can’t cast another ballot for that election. In some places, there’s also a notification system where the voter can track their ballot from beginning to end, which not only reminds the voter about upcoming elections, but helps to identify any issues that might occur. For example, if you got a notification that your ballot had been received and counted but you hadn’t actually filled it out yourself, you could report it and fix the issue.

There are myriad other physical security measures election officials take, including 24-hour surveillance of ballot dropboxes, mandating that no one can be alone with ballots at any time and establishing a clear chain of custody for all ballots. A recent John Oliver “Last Week Tonight” segment succinctly illustrates just how difficult voter fraud would be to pull off.

Again, we know that these security measures work. Colorado, Utah, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii -- states that have a long history of all-mail elections -- haven’t seen any significant fraud. Oregon, which started running its elections by mail in 1993, has had just 82 felony convictions under its election statutes between 1990 and 2019.

2020 Election: Secure Your Vote
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know

Over the past 20 years, they write, more than 250 million ballots have been cast by mail nationwide, while there have been just 143 criminal convictions for election fraud related to mail ballots. That averages out to about one case per state every six or seven years, or a fraud rate of 0.00006%.

"Expanding voting by mail will be a challenge in most states in 2020," they write. "But we reiterate: There is no evidence that mail-balloting results in rampant voter fraud, nor that election officials lack the knowledge about how to protect against abuses."

How does vote-by-mail work and does it increase election fraud?
https://www.brookings.edu/policy202...ail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In states that allow absentee mail balloting, the voter writes, calls, or goes online to request an absentee ballot from their local election authority. In some places, voters need an excuse for the absentee ballot such as being sick or out of the state on Election Day. In other places, voters do not need to have a specific reason for the absentee ballot or the state provides the option by mailing absentee ballots to all registered voters. Many states are moving to this system, generally referred to as No-Excuse Absentee balloting.

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

This is also a good read:

Research on voting by mail says it’s safe – from fraud and disease
https://www.brookings.edu/policy202...ail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/


So, in summary, why all the hand-wringing, hysterics and bellyaching from Trump and the GOP base? Sounds like a bunch of unneccessary whining and distraction. To what end? For Trump to have a built-in excuse in case Biden does somehow win? That seems to be the case. Pretty sad.

The last thing anyone who cares about this country should be doing is sowing discord and confusion regarding fair and free elections. Every single American should have equal access to voting, and to ensure that their vote is counted. The more the merrier. We are a Constitutional Republic, afterall. It is how democracy works, and should work.
 
From what I've read, the difference between the two have been wildly exaggerated, unsurprisingly by Trump, right-wing pundits and activists.

It's my understanding mail-in and absentee ballots are pretty much the same thing. Both require an application to be sent in, all the info and data is checked and confirmed, then the ballot is sent to the voter.

You appear to post **** without checking. Absentee ballots require a REQUEST by a registered voter, thereby confirming address and current eligibility to vote, and where most jurisdictions compare signatures to confirm the validity of the request.

Mail-in involves the registrar simply sending out ballots by the thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, TO ALL NAMES ON THE VOTER REGISTRATION.

Absentee voting is prone to fraud, election experts say, but has more safeguards than all-mail voting.

“The main difference is [in] voting by absentee ballot, a voter has to request a ballot in most cases and fill out a form and sign to authenticate the request,” Hans von Spakovsky, a former member of the Federal Election Commission who is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, told The Daily Signal.

States vary in how election officials verify whether the person applying for an absentee ballot is really the registered voter he says he is.

For example, in 17 states, election officials compare an applicant’s information against the voter registration database, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. In 19 states, officials verify the signature.

“With all-mail [voting], they just send out a ballot and without certainty it’s going to a live voter,” von Spakovsky said. “The problem with all-mail voting is that ballots are mailed to every registered voter. We know voter registration rolls are in bad shape all across the country, with multiple duplications and sending out ballots to people that don’t live there.”

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/22/8-key-points-to-distinguish-absentee-and-all-mail-voting/

I tried to "unregister" in California, was told not possible. So guess what? I will be sent a ballot if mail-in voting occurs. The ballot will go to an old address, where nobody I know lives, but who can fill out the ******* thing and send it in.

"Oh, that would never happen." Don't be an ignoramus. Of course it would, and has, happened. Ballot harvesting is just another form of the same voter fraud, and indeed, with vote harvesting - which you claim to oppose - and "mass ballot mailings," 100 campaign workers could basically cast 10,000 votes.

Thanks for playing, but you do NOT advance to Final Jeopardy.

You're welcome.
 
Registered voters in these states automatically receive a mail ballot, which is sent to their address before Election Day and mailed back by the voter or deposited at a voting location or secure dropbox by a certain time on Election Day.

Sounds like you need to look into what happens to mail-in ballots, which are sent out to registered voters to begin with. There is a process in place to ensure those are legitimate voters, their data is checked and confirmed, just like with absentee ballots. You'll find a detailed breakdown of that in the articles I just posted.

Maybe a little less bruh ha-ha and chest thumping is in order, before you get an aneurysm or something.

Add to that, there is simply no data to back up the claim of widespread voter fraud, the likes of which you all seem to be so worried about. It simply hasn't happened. So you must be claiming it's going to happen now, for the first time ever, because....uhm, Trump is worried he's gonna lose? That's an odd cart to tie a horse to, but be my guest.
 
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Tibs, research on absentee ballots has exactly zero to do with what the (D)ims want to do. You are simply parroting a lie, like a Goebbels wanna-be.

Second, this "exhaustive research" claim about election fraud is bullshit. I can right now point to more than 1200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud over the last 20 years. Those instances usually involve multiple ballots and were found by one report, one witness, i.e., anecdotal evidence.

The idiot liars claiming "exhaustive" research on voter fraud are simply quoting anecdotal evidence as to the number of people caught engaging in voter fraud. There has never been any "exhaustive" criminal search for voter fraud. There is no data as to the prevalence of voter fraud, apart from the instances where somebody was simply caught doing so and prosecuted.

Look at it this way. Say the police do not enforce speeding laws. Ever. Don't look for violations. Issue tickets ONLY when a witness files a complaint and the complaint is supported by enough evidence to warrant prosecution. I then say, "Speeding does not happen. Just 572 instances of speeding in California last year, among 50,000,000 miles driven."

That is what you are doing.
 
Sounds like you need to look into what happens to mail-in ballots, which are sent out to registered voters to begin with. There is a process in place to ensure those are legitimate voters, their data is checked and confirmed, just like with absentee ballots. You'll find a detailed breakdown of that in the articles I just posted.

So the fact that I will have a ballot sent to me in California - I checked, and believe me I am getting a ballot - bothers you zero percent.

Put it this way: You personally know of a ballot that is bogus due to the mail-voter scheme. Personally. And you seemingly don't care.
 
Sounds like you need to look into what happens to mail-in ballots, which are sent out to registered voters to begin with. There is a process in place to ensure those are legitimate voters, their data is checked and confirmed, just like with absentee ballots. You'll find a detailed breakdown of that in the articles I just posted.

THAT is the problem Tibs....there are endless examples about how wrong the voter rolls are, how there are thousands upon thousands of registered voters who are dead or who have moved.

Do you simply miss the countless daily news stories about voter fraud? People being arrested for voter fraud, ballot harvesting, the like?

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"Oh, that would never happen." Don't be an ignoramus. Of course it would, and has, happened. Ballot harvesting is just another form of the same voter fraud, and indeed, with vote harvesting - which you claim to oppose - and "mass ballot mailings," 100 campaign workers could basically cast 10,000 votes.

Man, you guys are one paranoid bunch. Not judging you, just stating as fact.
 
2. Does This Increase the Chance of Fraud?

In 2005, the Commission on Federal Election Reform, co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, and former Secretary of State James Baker, a Republican, determined that absentee ballots were the biggest source of election fraud.

Absentee ballots “remain the largest source of potential voter fraud,” the commission concluded.

In 2008, the CalTech/MIT Voting Technology Project recommended: “First, restrict or abolish on-demand absentee voting in favor of in-person early voting. The convenience that on-demand absentees produces is bought at a significant cost to the real and perceived integrity of the voting process.”

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/22/8-key-points-to-distinguish-absentee-and-all-mail-voting/

CalTech, MIT and Steeltime ... all paranoid about election fraud.
 
The move by the three states coincides with a new finding that 28.3 million mail-in ballots have gone missing, based on data from the federal Election Assistance Commission covering election years 2012 through 2018, Real Clear Politics reported this week. The EAC data was compiled by the Public Interest Legal Foundation, an election integrity group.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/22/8-key-points-to-distinguish-absentee-and-all-mail-voting/

28,300,000 ballots MISSING in a span of seven years.

But hey, it's not like 15,000 or 20,000 votes could change an election. Right?
 
No, he didn't, you idiot. He encouraged Floridians to get ABSENTEE ballots.

So absentee ballots are legitimate and shouldn’t be questioned or contested? Or only where Trump says?
 
So absentee ballots are legitimate and shouldn’t be questioned or contested? Or only where Trump says?

Read the thread you idiot. I have addressed these points.

Flog ... dumb, but at least he doesn't read the thread or contribute to the place he frequents at other's expense.
 
I can right now point to more than 1200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud over the last 20 years.

I presume you're referencing PROVEN voter fraud in presidential elections.

So over the past twenty years, that covers six elections between 1996 and 2016.

During that span, a total of 723,822,000 votes were cast and counted.

If there were 1,200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud, that amounts to a whopping 0,0001657% of the total votes.

That's keeping you and Trump up at night?
 
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I presume you're referencing PROVEN voter fraud in presidential elections.

So over the past twenty years, that covers six elections between 1996 and 2016.

During that span, a total of 723,822,000 votes were cast and counted.

If there were 1,200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud, that amounts to a whopping 0,0001657% of the total votes.

That's keeping you and Trump up at night?

No, idiot, most of those involved multiple ballots being cast fraudulently, some where they don't know the ******* number, such as the Dim official in Philadelphia who accepted bribes to rig the voting machines, casting an unknown number of votes and then certifying the number of votes cast as being legitimate.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/voter-f...lty-domenick-demuro-democrat-voting-machines/

And again, you stultifying ignoramus, those are the CONVICTIONS for voting fraud. So I guess voting fraud is the only crime in history with a 100% arrest rate, even though nobody ******* looks for the criminals??

If 10% of voting fraud results in a conviction (a blatantly high estimate), and if each fraud-doer casts 100 ballots (some cast thousands), that is now 1,200,000 votes.

1.2 million votes does not matter to you, it seems.

Nor does stealing votes from millions, an estimated 5% to 8% of votes disqualified.
 
I presume you're referencing PROVEN voter fraud in presidential elections.

So over the past twenty years, that covers six elections between 1996 and 2016.

During that span, a total of 723,822,000 votes were cast and counted.

If there were 1,200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud, that amounts to a whopping 0,0001657% of the total votes.

That's keeping you and Trump up at night?

One instance of voter fraud should bother everybody.
 
I presume you're referencing PROVEN voter fraud in presidential elections.

So over the past twenty years, that covers six elections between 1996 and 2016.

During that span, a total of 723,822,000 votes were cast and counted.

If there were 1,200 instances of PROVEN voter fraud, that amounts to a whopping 0,0001657% of the total votes.


That's keeping you and Trump up at night?

Tibs, your reputation has taken a hit here recently. Even OFTB has been flingin the F bomb at ya. You are flailing. Grasping.

You don't belong in the Land of Misfit Toys. You are smarter than that.

Cmon over to the A Team. You can do it. You are invited.

We will embrace you, with open arms.

Cmon. Take the red pill.
 
Tibs, your reputation has taken a hit here recently. Even OFTB has been flingin the F bomb at ya. You are flailing. Grasping.

You don't belong in the Land of Misfit Toys. You are smarter than that.

Cmon over to the A Team. You can do it. You are invited.

We will embrace you, with open arms.

Cmon. Take the red pill.

According to Tibs, he is mostly conservative. That is what he says. Not sure I buy it though, and I’ll tell you why. Because even if you lean conservative or are even a centrist, I don’t know how anyone with even a single functioning brain cell votes for anything the current version of the Democrat party is offering America.

He hates Trump with everything in his soul. I get it. Still don’t know how a person rationalizes that into a vote for a democrat. If you are having problems with your conscience, vote libertarian or write in a candidate. Voting for Democrats is a death sentence to the nation.
 
According to Tibs, he is mostly conservative. That is what he says. Not sure I buy it though, and I’ll tell you why. Because even if you lean conservative or are even a centrist, I don’t know how anyone with even a single functioning brain cell votes for anything the current version of the Democrat party is offering America.

He hates Trump with everything in his soul. I get it. Still don’t know how a person rationalizes that into a vote for a democrat. If you are having problems with your conscience, vote libertarian or write in a candidate. Voting for Democrats is a death sentence to the nation.

That's exactly what I did for that last election. Gary Johnson was an idiot, but I didn't and still don't like Trump's bravado and hypebole. This time though, I have to vote for the *******. Not happy about it.
 
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