Bathhouse Barry and the Mail-Ins ... What could go wrong??
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Very ironic meme considering the people on your side are doing everything in their power to make sure non Americans (and dead Americans) can decide the next election.
Fauci, a once stunningly brave American Patriot, is now dead to Tibs and the Left.
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If anyone doesn't see this as posturing for power, they are either in cahoots with the dems, or completely retarded.
Any person who believes the ******* postal service will be able to competently handle 130 million ballots is an idiot, a liar, or both.
The USPS is the only ******* organization on earth that could possibly (1) do nothing other than deliver **** to our homes, (2) during a ******* pandemic when we are not supposed to leave our homes, and (3) lose a bunch of money in the process.
And we should trust that they deliver and return 175 million ballots competently? Jesus Christ, they can't deliver a ******* birthday card.
The post office handles almost 2.6 billion pieces of mail in a 2 week period. If all mail in ballots are mailed with in a 2 week period that is only a 5% total increase in mail. Physically it should not stress the system much, but who knows how much mail will get lost. I hate mail in voting, but i do not think the post office will be the main cause of issues if there are problems
If you don't know how many ballots will be lost - where the USPS routinely ******* loses mail right now, WITHOUT the 5% increase in demand - you have already 100% proven that mail-in balloting is not viable.
Seriously, if I introduced a new voting mechanism, somebody ran a test and showed that 3% of votes just disappeared, and I admitted, "Ehh, I'm not sure how many votes will disappear," can you think of one person on earth - ONE - other than Joe Biden and Knobjob Harris who would think the device should be used??
P.S. Registrars are telling voters that they can mail in ballots one week before the election. I heard a rumor that some people wait to do things. I know, I know, sounds far-fetched, but possible, I guess.
So your 5% over two weeks becomes 10% in one week.
You REALLY think that a 10% increase in mail would not cause problems for the same ******* company that delivers things to your home and somehow LOST billions of dollars during a pandemic??
So your 5% over two weeks becomes 10% in one week.
You REALLY think that a 10% increase in mail would not cause problems for the same ******* company that delivers things to your home and somehow LOST billions of dollars during a pandemic??
Huh? 1 week is the latest you can mail stuff in and "have your vote counted" All 130mil people are not going to wait till the last week to do that. Also the post office could hire temp workers like they do for holiday season is needed.
As for losing billions, if companies and businesses are closed then they are not going to be sending / receiving mail so its not surprising.
The study someone mentioned was very unscientific and if you truly want to get an idea of issues it would need to be conducted in a much better way. There was no control group or anything plus the sample size was extremely small. I would definitely be interested to see the results of a better study because there is potential there for major issues.
Oh, so you're relying on Americans doing **** early? Is that right?
Tell me again, how many ballots will be misdelivered, how many completed and sent in by somebody not meant to receive the ballot and how many ballots will simply not be processed correctly? Because until you can answer these questions, accurately, you are ******* up the election. *******. It. Up.
Stupid moron lying idiot dildo numbnuts protested over fake "Russian interference." You really believe the people will accept the results of an election where we admittedly don't know HOW MANY BALLOTS WERE SIMPLY LOST??
Yeah, that's why UPS and FedEx lost so ******* much money the past five months, right?
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/business/companies-set-make-money-during-coronavirus-crisis/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...-may-be-best-thing-to-happen-to-fedex-and-ups
Wait ...
How about this? You support ballots by mail.
How about you provide data that the proposal WORKS, does not lose 3% or whatever of the vote, and is not beset with lost and misdelivered ballots or phony ballots, before we trust our elections to that process?
Moneywise there is a difference between fedex/ups vs the postal service. The postal service is a dying breed in general. With technology the way it is not many people mail letters anymore. Even ads and what not are going more and more digital. Of course UPS and Fedex boomed. People order everything online now especially when they don't go out. The USPS is not designed to handle packages like FedEx/ UPS. Just look at mail cars vs Fedex/ups trucks. You could argue that to future proof the postal service they need to evolve and start competing with fedex and ups but as for now it's comparing apples to oranges.
I do think there is an issue with dead people receiving mail or people getting mail at the wrong address, but i am not sure who's fault this is. If someone is deceased i don't think that is the USPS's responsibility. Just like if you move and do a change of address i am not 100% sure who is responsible for processing that properly.
As for the study itself i equate it to flipping a coin 5x and getting 3 heads. I would say you get heads 60% of the time based on my results. If i flipped that same coin 100x or 1 mil times i would get closer to the 50/50 split. Also like i said that report had 0 control. Was the mail lost due to incompetence, was it lost do to tampering, was it removed due to ballots being recognized as not official? This "study" can answer none of that along with having a ridiculously low sample size. To do a proper study you would have to set up multiple locations in each state. You would also have to have a group of variety mail along with the ballots. It would be a great experiment, but very costly. I'm sure someone could get funded to do it. If .5% of the basic mail was lost and .5% of ballots were lost you could say it's incompetence. If .5% of basic mail was lost and 3% of ballots were lost then you would have to dig deeper. Without a baseline though the original experiment is just designed to fire people up
I do think there is an issue with dead people receiving mail or people getting mail at the wrong address, but i am not sure who's fault this is. If someone is deceased i don't think that is the USPS's responsibility. Just like if you move and do a change of address i am not 100% sure who is responsible for processing that properly.
As for the study itself i equate it to flipping a coin 5x and getting 3 heads. I would say you get heads 60% of the time based on my results. If i flipped that same coin 100x or 1 mil times i would get closer to the 50/50 split. Also like i said that report had 0 control. Was the mail lost due to incompetence, was it lost do to tampering, was it removed due to ballots being recognized as not official? This "study" can answer none of that along with having a ridiculously low sample size. To do a proper study you would have to set up multiple locations in each state. You would also have to have a group of variety mail along with the ballots. It would be a great experiment, but very costly. I'm sure someone could get funded to do it. If .5% of the basic mail was lost and .5% of ballots were lost you could say it's incompetence. If .5% of basic mail was lost and 3% of ballots were lost then you would have to dig deeper. Without a baseline though the original experiment is just designed to fire people up
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Interesting that a bunch of people who want an all mail in vote to avoid crowds, gathered in a large crowd to protest at the Postmaster General's house. Wear a mask. Social distance. Vote in person. You'll be alright.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-boss-home-amid-concerns-over-mailed-n1236874
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-boss-home-amid-concerns-over-mailed-n1236874
I saw this video earlier and thought that maybe a trip back to 1996 for some cultural humor would help put our modern day issues into perspective.
Take a little break and enjoy some George Carlin on cultural issues back in his day, then get back to work on my next stimulus check. This old 'Boomer' needs some extra beer money.
Take a little break and enjoy some George Carlin on cultural issues back in his day, then get back to work on my next stimulus check. This old 'Boomer' needs some extra beer money.
They don't give a **** about avoiding crowds. That picture is proof. They want to cheat by voting illegally.
Nice... Hope the Trump admin. uses this photo and makes people explain themselves
Who cares whose fault it is? Seriously, you support a demonstrably flawed process on the principle you don't know who is at fault? I don't give a **** whose fault it is - I care that the proposed system is DESIGNED to fail.
Once again, you ***** about the one effort to check out the "delivery by mail" approach without a single ******* fact to show the approach will work. NOT. ONE. FACT. IN. SUPPORT.
Also, the CBS study consisted of sending out 200 ballots - not 5 - and seeing how many made it to the return address. 3% had not been returned in TWO WEEKS, and 21% had not made it back in ONE WEEK. Facts.
That study was a closed loop, where ALL ballots were sent to a valid address, and returned to a valid address. Therefore, the 3% and 21% figures by their very nature did NOT include deliveries to invalid addresses or rejection of ballots based on problems with the returned ballot.
Therefore, the 3% ballot failure is at the low end. The real number will be much, much, much, much, much higher based on deliveries to invalid addresses, to dead people, failure of the voter to complete the ballot as required, etc.
So you apparently still have zero data showing that the approach WILL work; I have data that it will reject AT LEAST 3% of ballots, and likely MUCH more, closer to 10%.
And you still stick with the approach. I know why Kameltoe Knobjob and Dementia boy support the approach (manipulation, fraud, ability to declare a Trump victory a fraud). Why do you?
I dont support mail in voting because whiny people on both sides will claim fraud no matter who wins. I am just saying that study was flawed. 200 ballots is a drop of water in the ocean compared to millions or 10s of millions or 100 million ballots. The USPS handles over 470 million pieces of mail daily and at 3% loss rate that is over 14 million pieces of lost mail daily. That is very unlikely. At 10% your looking at 47 million pieces of lost mail daily. Again extremely unlikely. There are lots of reasons the ballots could not have returned or simply the people conducting the study flat out lied. The numbers could be legit, but without more samples and a control group it is just not possible to draw conclusions from this study. Again I would like to see a proper study done there very well could be horrible issues. I am just not basing conclusions on a half baked study.
Umm the P.O. Boxes were the control group. You're actually talking out of both sides of your mouth and don't even realize it.
No, you're basing your conclusions on literally nothing. At all. Zero. Bupkus.
You don't know how many ballots will be delivered to the wrong address, disappear, be rejected, etc. You have no clue. None.
This is similar to the debate between Galileo and the Church circa 1615. Galileo could not explain the lack of parallax shifts for the stars that would be expected if the earth moved and the sun was stationary, simply due to the lack of equipment sophisticated enough to measure those tiny shifts at massive distances. (As of 1615, astronomers did not know the stars were billions and trillions of miles away.) The Church harped on that defect and called Galileo's heliocentric theory as unproved.
Okay, sure. But the defect in proof did not disprove the data in support and the lack of any evidence by the Church to the contrary was a testament to the lack of scientific basis to their position.
Right now, you are the Church, arguing a position about the post office handling 150 (?) or 170 (?) million ballots without a whit of data in support.
Finally, you think it preposterous that the USPS mishandles 47 million pieces of mail per day. Great. Not what I said, though, is it? I noted that would occur over two (2) weeks, with deliveries 6 days per week, or 12 days, or a total of 3.33 million per day.
You REALLY believe that the USPS does not **** up 3.33 million pieces of mail per day among the 470 million handled, i.e., 0.7%? Okay. Sure. Right. 99.3% success rate is too low. Except ... the USPS keeps track of delivery rates for single pieces of first-class mail, with return within 3-5 days. The delivery rates are broken down by region and vary between 97.0% and 98.4% delivery within 3 or more days. Overall, the delivery rate within 3 or more days so far in 2020 is 98.1%, or a 1.9% failure to deliver within 3 or more days rate.
https://about.usps.com/what/perform...e-piece-first-class-mail-service-variance.pdf
So if the USPS data show that 1.9% is not delivered within 3+ days, let's presume that number goes down by taking it out to two weeks. Let's say it goes down by more than 50%, all the way down to 0.7% - hey, that's the number I posited!!
Lookit that.
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Wow look at that Tibbs trying to bolster his position by posting videos made by phony conservatives/RINO ‘s.
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