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Covid Vaccine

“Novel” looks different and scary? 👌

Ivermectin is the way to treat Covid?👌

Given you don't understand what Novel means in the context of viruses, you've just given yourself another "exit" from a debate.

This, you are very good at.

Calling this version of SARS Novel, while not 100% wrong, would be no different than calling any new strain of the flu Novel. They don't do that, even though it is a new strain. Just like Covid-19 was a derivation of previous SARS viruses.

Why? To make it scary I suspect.
 
Idiot, Berenson cited data from a nation that has a very high vaccination rate. Many other countries don't have nearly as high a vaccination rate and thus would not have the same harm to childbearing women.
Right. If he wanted create a more relevant analysis, he would have shown the correlation between vaccination rate and birth rate among several countries highly vaccinated and not. He didn’t, he looked at three months of data from ONE country.
Not all nations are seeing falling birthrates, genius. Just developed nations. Meanwhile, these same developed nations then mandate a shot that seems to trigger falling fertility.
I didn’t say they were. Shot mandates triggering failing fertility is your conclusion. Obviously other factors caused the historical declines in birth rate, now all of a sudden it’s the Covid vaccine?
See if you can follow. Developed nations see a birthrate falling by 0.8%. They mandate the shot, and birthrates are now falling 1.5% after the shots were mandated.

That is a significant potential issue. Is the shot accounting for the substantial decrease in birthrates?

"yeAh, buT biRthiNg aLLrEddY faLL."
- Floggy
I provided four different highly reputable medical sources that addressed and refuted that hypothesis, but Steeler Nation Politics and Religion board is on to something they’re not? 👌
Jee-ZUS! The data from 2019 is relevant in evaluating birthrates after the shot mandated in March, 2021.

It's like talking to my horse. Apache is a smart damn horse, but like you, incapable of understanding statistics or complex analysis. The difference is Apache is personable and a delight to be around.

You're not.
Unlike the sources I provided, Berenson’s analysis was NOT complex.
 
Allow Supe, Voice of Reason, to inject.

Cleveland Clinic be say:

If you’re hoping to get pregnant, you may have heard rumors that getting the COVID-19 vaccine can cause infertility. Let’s debunk that myth right up front: No credible scientific evidence shows the COVID-19 vaccine has a negative impact on fertility.

“COVID-19 vaccination does not decrease female fertility,” confirms Ob/Gyn and reproductive infectious disease specialist Oluwatosin Goje, MD. What can impact your fertility, though, is getting COVID-19 — which means there’s just one more reason to get your vaccine.

2. The COVID-19 vaccine doesn’t affect the placenta


A fetus can’t survive without the placenta, which connects to your uterus during pregnancy. If the vaccine actually attacked the placenta, Dr. Goje explains, we’d be seeing a rise in miscarriages among vaccinated people — which isn’t the case.

“The thought that the vaccine would attack the placenta has been debunked because there has been no increase in miscarriages among vaccinated women,” she says.

3. The COVID-19 vaccine doesn’t affect sperm​


Researchers haven’t found any evidence of the vaccine having a negative impact on sperm. “Two studies in couples undergoing fertility treatment found no appreciable difference in semen volume, sperm concentration or motility measured before and after vaccination,” Dr. Goje adds.

Notice a trend...

Sperm isnt affected, per the CDC
Placenta is not affected, per the CDC
per the link provided.


A new study confirms what many on social media have long reported: The COVID-19 vaccines did affect people’s periods, especially for those who don’t typically have them due to long-acting contraceptives, gender-affirming hormone treatments or menopause.

The study, which was co-authored by a Tulane University biological anthropologist, found that 42% of respondents with regular menstrual cycles bled more heavily than usual, while 44% reported no change after being vaccinated. Among those who participated in the study who typically do not menstruate, 71% of people on long-acting reversible contraceptives, 39% of people on gender-affirming hormones and 66% of postmenopausal people reported breakthrough bleeding.

that study, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

Abstract​

Early in 2021, many people began sharing that they experienced unexpected menstrual bleeding after SARS-CoV-2 inoculation. We investigated this emerging phenomenon of changed menstrual bleeding patterns among a convenience sample of currently and formerly menstruating people using a web-based survey. In this sample, 42% of people with regular menstrual cycles bled more heavily than usual, while 44% reported no change after being vaccinated. Among respondents who typically do not menstruate, 71% of people on long-acting reversible contraceptives, 39% of people on gender-affirming hormones, and 66% of postmenopausal people reported breakthrough bleeding. We found that increased/breakthrough bleeding was significantly associated with age, systemic vaccine side effects (fever and/or fatigue), history of pregnancy or birth, and ethnicity. Generally, changes to menstrual bleeding are not uncommon or dangerous, yet attention to these experiences is necessary to build trust in medicine.
 
Continued...

Third paragraph, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

There are multiple plausible biological mechanisms to explain a relationship between an acute immune challenge like a vaccine (12), its corresponding and well-known systemic effects on hemostasis and inflammation (13), and menstrual repair mechanisms of the uterus (1417). The uterine reproductive system is flexible and adaptable in the face of stressors to weather short-term challenges in a way that leaves long-term fertility intact (18, 19). We know that running a marathon may influence hormone concentrations in the short term while not rendering that person infertile (20), that short-term calorie restriction that results in a loss of menstrual cycling can be overcome by resuming normal feeding (21), that inflammation influences ovarian hormones (2224), and that psychosocial stressors can correspond to cycle irregularity and yet resilience can buffer one from these harms (2527). Less severe, short-term stressors can and do influence menstrual cycling and menstruation, and this has been established over 40 years of cycle research (19, 20, 2830). This work has also established that while sustained early stressors can influence adult hormone concentrations, short-term stressors resolve and do not produce long-term effects (31). The immune response invoked by a vaccine is quite different from the sustained immune assault of COVID-19 itself: Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term, particularly in those with long COVID (3235).

further down the study, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

Reproductive conditions

We additionally examined the relationship of specific reproductive conditions often associated with altered menstrual bleeding by comparing respondents with diagnosed conditions to respondents with no reported reproductive conditions (Fig. 4). A higher proportion of respondents with endometriosis (51.1%), menorrhagia (44.3%), fibroids (49.1%), polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) (46.2%), and adenomyosis (54.9%) reported experiencing a heavier menstrual flow after vaccine than the respondents without diagnosed reproductive conditions (40.9%). Odds ratios and chi-square results for these groups are in table S7

further down the study, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

Despite this, menstruation is seldom considered a variable during vaccine trials aside from determining last menstrual period as part of established protections against volunteers being or getting pregnant. The vast majority of research that has been conducted regarding reproductive and menstrual function centers around whether live and attenuated vaccines are safe to give to someone who is pregnant (6669) or whether it affects fertility (48, 70, 71). The research that has been conducted on menstrual cycles specifically is often not able to establish a causal link, as the data are obtained through retrospective surveys or data mining (72, 73) and randomized controlled trials often do not allow a mechanism for reporting these changes (74).

Menstruation is an inflammatory and hemorrhagic event that must be resolved quickly to restore uterine function and prevent infection and continued hemorrhage (14, 76). Disruption of the normal coagulation pathway of the endometrium may delay the repair mechanisms that allow menses to end quickly. A few of our findings suggest that vaccination is less likely to be affecting periods via ovarian hormone pathways, and more likely along these inflammatory pathways.

Flog, can you sum this up yourself or do you need Tim and his handy dandy Crayolas and notepad to draw a picture for you?
 
Continued...

Third paragraph, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

There are multiple plausible biological mechanisms to explain a relationship between an acute immune challenge like a vaccine (12), its corresponding and well-known systemic effects on hemostasis and inflammation (13), and menstrual repair mechanisms of the uterus (1417). The uterine reproductive system is flexible and adaptable in the face of stressors to weather short-term challenges in a way that leaves long-term fertility intact (18, 19). We know that running a marathon may influence hormone concentrations in the short term while not rendering that person infertile (20), that short-term calorie restriction that results in a loss of menstrual cycling can be overcome by resuming normal feeding (21), that inflammation influences ovarian hormones (2224), and that psychosocial stressors can correspond to cycle irregularity and yet resilience can buffer one from these harms (2527). Less severe, short-term stressors can and do influence menstrual cycling and menstruation, and this has been established over 40 years of cycle research (19, 20, 2830). This work has also established that while sustained early stressors can influence adult hormone concentrations, short-term stressors resolve and do not produce long-term effects (31). The immune response invoked by a vaccine is quite different from the sustained immune assault of COVID-19 itself: Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term, particularly in those with long COVID (3235).

further down the study, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

Reproductive conditions

We additionally examined the relationship of specific reproductive conditions often associated with altered menstrual bleeding by comparing respondents with diagnosed conditions to respondents with no reported reproductive conditions (Fig. 4). A higher proportion of respondents with endometriosis (51.1%), menorrhagia (44.3%), fibroids (49.1%), polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) (46.2%), and adenomyosis (54.9%) reported experiencing a heavier menstrual flow after vaccine than the respondents without diagnosed reproductive conditions (40.9%). Odds ratios and chi-square results for these groups are in table S7

further down the study, since some of us, whom I shall not name or call out *cough*Flog*cough* are unable to click on links...

Despite this, menstruation is seldom considered a variable during vaccine trials aside from determining last menstrual period as part of established protections against volunteers being or getting pregnant. The vast majority of research that has been conducted regarding reproductive and menstrual function centers around whether live and attenuated vaccines are safe to give to someone who is pregnant (6669) or whether it affects fertility (48, 70, 71). The research that has been conducted on menstrual cycles specifically is often not able to establish a causal link, as the data are obtained through retrospective surveys or data mining (72, 73) and randomized controlled trials often do not allow a mechanism for reporting these changes (74).

Menstruation is an inflammatory and hemorrhagic event that must be resolved quickly to restore uterine function and prevent infection and continued hemorrhage (14, 76). Disruption of the normal coagulation pathway of the endometrium may delay the repair mechanisms that allow menses to end quickly. A few of our findings suggest that vaccination is less likely to be affecting periods via ovarian hormone pathways, and more likely along these inflammatory pathways.

Flog, can you sum this up yourself or do you need Tim and his handy dandy Crayolas and notepad to draw a picture for you?

fAkE NeWz!!!! /Floggy
 
This sits behind a paywall. If you can't view it, Google the title of the article. You'll find reprints on other sites. I believe the 12ft.io proxy below lets you get through though.

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Norman Fenton, professor of risk and information management at the Queen Mary University of London and director of risk assessment software company Agena, told The Epoch Times he used to believe that people at risk of serious illnesses and death from COVID-19 can benefit from the vaccines, but no longer sees “any evidence at all that anybody should get vaccinated” based on more recent data.

Fenton is a member of the Health Advisory and Recovery Team (HART), a group of UK academics who are critical of the government’s response to the pandemic.

Diagnostic pathologist Dr. Clare Craig, also a member of the HART group, called on the government to “get realistic,” saying people can’t be expected to be injected “at great expense every six months,” and that “pushing another vaccination campaign will just ramp up fear again.”

Many mutations in the coronavirus have been observed in its spike protein, which binds to host cell receptors, fuses the virus envelope with the host cell membrane, and starts an infection.

Repeatedly vaccinating people against older versions of the spike protein, Craig argues, is “forcing our immune system to go down one particular strategy” while the virus is “evolving away from having that appearance.” She also said the spike protein, which is included in the COVID-19 vaccines, is the “most damaging” part of the virus...

However, Craig and Fenton contended that the vaccines had not demonstrated effectiveness in saving lives.

Craig said there had been no change in the trajectory of global accumulative COVID-19 deaths following the rollout of the vaccines, while Fenton argued that UK all-cause mortality data show “no evidence at all” that the unvaccinated were dying at a higher rate than the vaccinated.

Before the arrival of the Omicron variant, Craig had been convinced by several papers that there was some evidence showing the COVID-19 vaccines were preventing deaths and severe illnesses, she said, but the impact became “really hard to see” when looking at the overall real-world data.

“When you look back at the whole picture, and compare the trajectory of COVID deaths globally, before and after the vaccines, there is no change. When you compare the case fatality rate before and after vaccines, there is no change. … That big differential happened not with the vaccine rollout, it happened with Omicron,” she said...

When the numbers are broken down by deaths involving COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 deaths, the COVID-19 ASMR was 863.2 for the unvaccinated and 64.5 for the ever-vaccinated, and the non-COVID-19 ASMR was 1474.3 among the unvaccinated, around 65 percent higher than the rate among the ever-vaccinated (892.9).

The last pair of numbers “can’t be right,” Fenton argued, “because that would mean … somehow the vaccines are not just stopping COVID deaths, but they’re stopping non-COVID deaths amongst the vaccinated.”

Fenton also said the numbers “can’t be right” because “the mortality rate for non-COVID deaths amongst the vaccinated, according to their data, is also much lower than the non-COVID mortality historical rates,” adding the anomalies may be attributed to “misclassifying [and] miscounting” the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.



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Right. If he wanted create a more relevant analysis, he would have shown the correlation between vaccination rate and birth rate among several countries highly vaccinated and not. He didn’t, he looked at three months of data from ONE country.

I didn’t say they were. Shot mandates triggering failing fertility is your conclusion. Obviously other factors caused the historical declines in birth rate, now all of a sudden it’s the Covid vaccine?

I provided four different highly reputable medical sources that addressed and refuted that hypothesis, but Steeler Nation Politics and Religion board is on to something they’re not? 👌

Unlike the sources I provided, Berenson’s analysis was NOT complex.
I think you have a "complex".
 
Yep. Inquiring minds wanna know.

AKA Tim’s safe space:


Since we’re not seeing deaths in football, basketball, baseball, hockey, marathons, tennis, etc, soccer is the common denominator, is it not?
 
AKA Tim’s safe space:


Bingo. Winner winner. I said last night - "Watch, I'll post two stories from LifeSite and Dr. Flog's response will be 'fake news!' and he will never bother to read the contents."

Yer as predictable as the sunrise son. And once again, you fail to open, read and understand that the site is a portal to sourced information. In a day and age where we can no longer trust CNN, ABC, the NYT and others - because they are bastions of lies, misrepresentations and omissions - we are finding more and more sources for news.

Matt Le Tissier has been speaking out about this issue throughout the year.

Since we’re not seeing deaths in football, basketball, baseball, hockey, marathons, tennis, etc, soccer is the common denominator, is it not?

We are. There are excess deaths around the globe in all developing nations. You know, all those excess mortality posts we've placed here for you to read. These excess mortalities don't affect athletes too? LOL

The deaths are affecting other athletes. In just the past few weeks, I've posted about SADS deaths in young basketball players, football players, hockey players; and posted about a recently run marathon where 2 died and 74 others were hospitalized due to heart-related issues. One race.


















You failing to read/learn doesn't mean events don't happen Floggy. Your head is in the sand. Eyes open boy.
 
Ya can't make this **** up. I reply to Flog, take a work call, hit one of my news feeds. One of the first stories:







But, but, but, but....this isn't happening to football players.

I remember many years ago when Korey Stringer of the Vikings died of heat stroke. It was huge news because you just didn't see athletes die often on the field, at practices, etc. Athletes dying used to be big news. Now? They want you to believe this happening this frequently is normal.
 
Yep. Another brick crumbles from the wall.

A large study on the impact of using ivermectin as a prophylaxis for COVID-19 found that regular users of the drug experienced up to a 92% reduction in mortality compared to those who did not.

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Notice the question mark at the end of the title.

It helps to read the article. Try it sometime. This is also an NIH article. Your Branch Covidian is strong Floggy. Read...the...article.

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In a descriptive study of 1,626 cases of myocarditis in a national passive surveillance report in the U.S., rates within 7 days after vaccination exceeded the expected rates across multiple age and sex strata and were highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and in young men (Oster et al., 2022).

Recently, we have witnessed two other closely related conditions that add to the burden of SCD in athletes: COVID-19 and the related vaccinations, and sudden death (Figure 1).

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Increased COVID-related SCD appears to be due, at least in part, to a recent history of infection and/or vaccination that induces inflammatory and immune impairment that injures the heart. An unhealthy lifestyle that may include poor diet or overtraining may likely be a contributing factor. The seeming increased incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis during COVID-19 and in the post-vaccination period, and SCD, poses a serious risk to not only athletes but all others and is a cause for alarm.
 
Ya can't make this **** up. I reply to Flog, take a work call, hit one of my news feeds. One of the first stories:







But, but, but, but....this isn't happening to football players.

I remember many years ago when Korey Stringer of the Vikings died of heat stroke. It was huge news because you just didn't see athletes die often on the field, at practices, etc. Athletes dying used to be big news. Now? They want you to believe this happening this frequently is normal.

How do you know he was vaccinated? Or vaccinated recently? Or, are you saying that in addition to some of the serious side effects being temporary, they can also be delayed? Maybe they travel back in time and kill Pistol Pete Maravich and Reggie Lewis? You know, frequently.

Or sometimes it just happens, Tim.
 
Tell you what. In fact, let's let this very post be notice that no longer can a Branch Covidian, and/or a vaccine-denier come to the thread and say "athletes are not dying at a higher rate than previously, this is all normal."

We now have the NIH itself stating it. Period. This is THEIR image. They acknowledge point blank that there have been an excess of athlete sudden deaths.

Done. Over. We were right, again.

325 sudden athlete deaths. Previous high? Less than 10.

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How do you know he was vaccinated? Or vaccinated recently? Or, are you saying that in addition to some of the serious side effects being temporary, they can also be delayed? Maybe they travel back in time and kill Pistol Pete Maravich and Reggie Lewis? You know, frequently.

Or sometimes it just happens, Tim.

See my last post dipshit. The NIH. Acknowledging 325 sudden deaths in athletes compared to @10 previously.

This argument is over. There is a severe rise in sudden athlete deaths.

Again, you lose. Pick your next fight.
 
Tell you what. In fact, let's let this very post be notice that no longer can a Branch Covidian, and/or a vaccine-denier come to the thread and say "athletes are not dying at a higher rate than previously, this is all normal."

We now have the NIH itself stating it. Period. This is THEIR image. They acknowledge point blank that there have been an excess of athlete sudden deaths.

Done. Over. We were right, again.

325 sudden athlete deaths. Previous high? Less than 10.

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See my last post dipshit. The NIH. Acknowledging 325 sudden deaths in athletes compared to @10 previously.

This argument is over. There is a severe rise in sudden athlete deaths.

Again, you lose. Pick your next fight.
Now the argument will shift to strictly blaming Covid and not the vaccines. Honestly this will be a harder one to truly figure out with all the unreported asymptomatic cases.
 
This is hysterical. Read this article by a writer for the San Fran Chronicle who made himself a hermit for 2 years, finally gets Covid, blames someone else for not living in a bubble like he had, then screams about not being able to get Paxlovid (which recent studies show isn't very effective). Comedy gold.

 
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Now the argument will shift to strictly blaming Covid and not the vaccines. Honestly this will be a harder one to truly figure out with all the unreported asymptomatic cases.

Oh they will spin it. They are already blaming Trump for anything negative about the vaccines...as we all predicted.

They will spin it. I'm just pinning it. The Branch Covidians in this thread all said there is no evidence that extra numbers of athletes are dying. "It's normal. I happens."

Not at this rate. Our Government even admits it.
 
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