Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Looks like they bound & gagged former guy and locked him in a closet for a few hours. Seems like a memo went out, that the GOP stands to lose much of their voting base, so.. screeching tires and a quick U-turn. Who cares about optics, if it helps save lives, I'm all for it. Go Republicans, you got this!

Finally, they’re saying **** the Gravy Seals and their idiotic ideology. Damage might be done. Should have reached that conclusion on January 6th.

 

[Steelworth]

So I emailed Wendy Guthrie who is the VP of Athlete Safety. There isn't an email address on their site, but it's either wendyguthrie@teamusa.org or wendy.guthrie@teamusa.org. I emailed both. Below is what I wrote:

Ms. Guthrie,

I recently read in a news article that the USOPC is not allowing Becca Meyers, a deaf and blind athlete, her Personal Care Assistant at the Paralympic games. I understand the committee is supplying a PCA in an attempt to limit Covid-19 exposure, but this just isn't good enough. I coach High School wrestling and I've had disabled athletes on the team. One in particular was deaf and when it came time for him to compete, he wanted me in his corner because he felt that I was able to communicate with him better than the other coaches and he trusted me. We built a rapport over the years and he didn't have to worry about some stranger giving him horrible instruction or getting frustrated with him. He was focused and ready to compete.

What the USOPC did to Becca was force her into what she felt was an unsafe environment. They removed her trusted PCA, someone that she heavily relies on, for a stranger that she has no trust in. Like Becca said in the article, "It's 2021, and I'm still fighting for my rights." It is a shame that she worked so hard to achieve her dream, to represent the United States of America, only to have it squashed due to unreasonable accommodations. I ask that you redress this with the committee and allow this disabled woman her chance to compete in the Paralympic games while having the comfort of knowing that she is in good hands with her trusted PCA.

Bravo sir, respectfully well said. And not just 'anyone' but her own damn mother, who's been helping her navigate this life deaf-blind.

You seem savvy re: their org and contacts so I'm definitely copying her, but I also found this:

U.S. Paralympics Swimming

Kristen Gowdy

Para Internal NGB Press Officer

719-866-3481

kristen.gowdy@usopc.org

 

[IndySteel]

Speaking of the Paralympics, I heard that Fibtard won Gold in Hide And Seek and Flog took the Gold in Sit ‘n Spin.

Edit: My bad, I was thinking about the Special Olympics.

 

[Sarge]

Looks like the tide is *finally* turning on the right. About ******* time.

Not sure what you're talking about. Hannity has been saying that very thing for a long time.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Not to get too deep into the weeds but the flu vaccine is never 100%. Scientist watch this year's flu and see how it mutates. There will be many different strains of flu out of those mutations. The mutations with the highest probability of happening in nature will be used in vaccines. Again these are not mRNA vaccines. So you can get the flu after you've had a flu shot because you might run into a different strain. This is a very simplistic version of what happens but it's basically why people can get the flu and still get the shot. BTW a few years ago the lab strains were totally different than the natural strains so the flu shot was almost worthless.

I was being an *** with that statement.

did you see a post I made previously, JnJ (I think) has already stated the RnA for the flu shot.

 

[oneforthebus]

Seems like it doesn't too much matter whether you're vaccinated or not. Seems to be an awful lot of people that are vaccinated catching the COVID. Hell, there are people who HAVE HAD COVID and are vaccinated and are still catching this ****. If in fact they really are. The tests are pretty unreliable, so who knows how much of a factor that plays in.

I don't know. I feel like we're stuck in this never ending covid circle jerk where natural immunity doesn't exist, immunizations don't seem to help much, we want a perpetual state of masking, and people are afraid to live their lives, even though their lives could end at any second regardless of whether they get COVID or not.

I can't imagine why anyone would be distrusting.

The big difference is most of the people hospitalized and dying now are unvaccinated. Positive test numbers are stupid and useless. It does matter if you are vaccinated because you have a lot smaller chance of being hospitalized or dying.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Cases may be rising. Deaths are not. If this is the Delta variant causing these new cases, it's either not as deadly, we know how to treat COVID better, or both.

Our 7 day average for deaths on March 31 = 938
Our 7 day average for deaths on April 30 = 695
Our 7 day average for deaths on May 31 = 416
Our 7 day average for deaths on June 30 = 271
Our 7 day average July 19 = 268

 

[oneforthebus]

Cases may be rising. Deaths are not. If this is the Delta variant causing these new cases, it's either not as deadly, we know how to treat COVID better, or both.

Our 7 day average for deaths on March 31 = 938
Our 7 day average for deaths on April 30 = 695
Our 7 day average for deaths on May 31 = 416
Our 7 day average for deaths on June 30 = 271
Our 7 day average July 19 = 268

Not sure where you're getting those numbers, from the CDC:

New Hospital Admissions​

The current 7-day average for July 7–July 13 was 2,794. This is a 35.8% increase from the prior 7-day average (2,058) from June 30–July 6. The 7-day moving average for new admissions has consistently increased since June 25, 2021.

Deaths​

The current 7-day moving average of new deaths (211) has increased 26.3% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (167). As of July 14, a total of 605,905 COVID-19 deaths have been reported.


First cases rise, then hospitalizations, then deaths. Yes, deaths are probably not going to rise as fast as they initially did because of better treatments and also because most of the elderly are vaccinated.

 

[Troglodyte]

Cases may be rising. Deaths are not. If this is the Delta variant causing these new cases, it's either not as deadly, we know how to treat COVID better, or both.

Our 7 day average for deaths on March 31 = 938
Our 7 day average for deaths on April 30 = 695
Our 7 day average for deaths on May 31 = 416
Our 7 day average for deaths on June 30 = 271
Our 7 day average July 19 = 268

I don’t know what you’re looking at, but I see a 40% rise in deaths. Nonetheless, deaths will rise. Almost all of them avoidable.

Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19

Recent figures from states and cities throughout the United States reveal the extent to which the virus is impacting people who are not fully vaccinated.

abcnews.go.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Vaccinations will be primarily responsible for any improvement compared to the historical mortality rate as 80% of those 65+ are fully vaccinated.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I don’t know what you’re looking at, but I see a 40% rise in deaths. Nonetheless, deaths will rise. Almost all of them avoidable.

Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19

Recent figures from states and cities throughout the United States reveal the extent to which the virus is impacting people who are not fully vaccinated.

abcnews.go.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Vaccinations will be primarily responsible for any improvement compared to the historical mortality rate as 80% of those 65+ are fully vaccinated.

I find it interesting that the only narrative is the unvaccinated, which I agree is true. But what about other factors in those being hospitalized?

I would speculate that they are the same as last year, the elderly, obese, diabetic and other chronic conditions, the exact people that should be vaccinated. If that group chooses to be stupid, well that's on them.

And yet these details are left out while the White House and media continues to hyperventilate that everyone needs to be vaccinated, without any real data to back it up.

 

[oneforthebus]

I find it interesting that the only narrative is the unvaccinated, which I agree is true. But what about other factors in those being hospitalized?

I would speculate that they are the same as last year, the elderly, obese, diabetic and other chronic conditions, the exact people that should be vaccinated. If that group chooses to be stupid, well that's on them.

And yet these details are left out while the White House and media continues to hyperventilate that everyone needs to be vaccinated, without any real data to back it up.

Unfortunately there's a lot of vaccine misinformation out there. Stupid for listening to it? Maybe. But those spreading it are not helping.

 

[Superman]

remember, kids, free isnt free

J&J forecasts $2.5 bln in COVID-19 vaccine sales this year

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) on Wednesday forecast $2.5 billion in sales of its one-shot COVID-19 vaccine this year based on the current price of $5 per dose and said that could rise to $8 a dose by the end of the year.

www.reuters.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Not sure where you're getting those numbers, from the CDC:

New Hospital Admissions​

The current 7-day average for July 7–July 13 was 2,794. This is a 35.8% increase from the prior 7-day average (2,058) from June 30–July 6. The 7-day moving average for new admissions has consistently increased since June 25, 2021.

Deaths​

The current 7-day moving average of new deaths (211) has increased 26.3% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (167). As of July 14, a total of 605,905 COVID-19 deaths have been reported.


First cases rise, then hospitalizations, then deaths. Yes, deaths are probably not going to rise as fast as they initially did because of better treatments and also because most of the elderly are vaccinated.

I pulled the deaths data from the New York Times COVID-tracker graph. Those deaths are what they are reporting. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

You can go double check my numbers if you like, as of yesterday. They are accurate.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Unfortunately there's a lot of vaccine misinformation out there. Stupid for listening to it? Maybe. But those spreading it are not helping.

And that's just it, this virus has become political. If people would just come out and say we screwed up in our earlier assessments, and this is what we know now.

Instead they double down to the point no one trusts anything that's said.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I don’t know what you’re looking at, but I see a 40% rise in deaths. Nonetheless, deaths will rise. Almost all of them avoidable.

Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19

Recent figures from states and cities throughout the United States reveal the extent to which the virus is impacting people who are not fully vaccinated.

abcnews.go.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Vaccinations will be primarily responsible for any improvement compared to the historical mortality rate as 80% of those 65+ are fully vaccinated.

I'm looking at YOUR trusted news source, the New York Times. You and OFTB go check their data. Hover over the deaths graph...it shows you deaths reported today.

Prove the New York Times wrong.

 

[oneforthebus]

I pulled the deaths data from the New York Times COVID-tracker graph. Those deaths are what they are reporting. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

You can go double check my numbers if you like, as of yesterday. They are accurate.

I don't have a NYT account, I don't need to check the accuracy of your numbers anyway, just wondering where they came from.

It's being reported on numerous outlets that hospitalizations and deaths are rising, weird that NYT is the outlier but who knows.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I don't have a NYT account, I don't need to check the accuracy of your numbers anyway, just wondering where they came from.

It's being reported on numerous outlets that hospitalizations and deaths are rising, weird that NYT is the outlier but who knows.

I don't have an account either, but I can get in there.

WorldOMeters is also showing the same deaths.

United States COVID: 45,029,387 Cases and 730,404 Deaths - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[ZonaBurgh]

What interests me in this political narrative is just who is it that's dying?

I'd wager it's heavy on those that have already exceeded the average life expectancy in the US and not a healthy 18 year old.

While no one should die needlessly, reality is, none of us are immortal.

 

[Troglodyte]

I find it interesting that the only narrative is the unvaccinated, which I agree is true. But what about other factors in those being hospitalized?

I would speculate that they are the same as last year, the elderly, obese, diabetic and other chronic conditions, the exact people that should be vaccinated. If that group chooses to be stupid, well that's on them.

And yet these details are left out while the White House and media continues to hyperventilate that everyone needs to be vaccinated, without any real data to back it up.

Unfortunately, we are an obese nation. People can’t help being elderly. Regardless, even the healthiest among us can still contract and spread Covid, and that is why they push vaccination.

 

[IndySteel]

Unfortunately, we are an obese nation. People can’t help being elderly. Regardless, even the healthiest among us can still contract and spread Covid, and that is why they push vaccination.

Vaccinated people still contract and spread the rona. You Carens are relentless. How about you just stfu and quit pushing your whacked agenda?

 

[Steelworth]

Unfortunately, we are an obese nation.

And also unfortunately, we are a freeloading, trolling Steeler Nation. Full of bloated, freeloading trolls (actually maybe just you & your buddy Fibs):

 

[Badcat]

Unfortunately, we are an obese nation. People can’t help being elderly. Regardless, even the healthiest among us can still contract and spread Covid, and that is why they push vaccination.

Those of us who are not vaccinated are waiting for a full review by the FDA. How ******* hard is that for you and your ilk to understand? Pfizer and Moderna have submitted applications to the FDA in May and June, so if the FDA expedites the review, which is expected, then we're looking at January or February at the latest to obtain the FDA's decision. So until then, my family and will wait. So you, Tibs, and the rest of vax pushers can shove it up your *** until then. Capiche'?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I don't have a NYT account, I don't need to check the accuracy of your numbers anyway, just wondering where they came from.

It's being reported on numerous outlets that hospitalizations and deaths are rising, weird that NYT is the outlier but who knows.

Here is some further data.

From the Washington Post tracker. Hover over the graph. 7 day moving average shown. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/




From the New York Times tracker, again hover over the Deaths graph - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html:



From WorldOMeters. They don't show the 7 day average, but you can compute it. Again, hover over the graph to see deaths by day for any day throughout COVID - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/:




What sources do you have that show our 7 day averages is higher than these 3 sources? I'm curious.

EDIT: You posted this:

Deaths​

The current 7-day moving average of new deaths (211) has increased 26.3% compared with the previous 7-day moving average (167). As of July 14, a total of 605,905 COVID-19 deaths have been reported.

The CDC is showing LOWER death numbers than I have above. 211 deaths for the 7 day average.

That's exactly in line with this data I posted from the NYT:

Our 7 day average for deaths on March 31 = 938
Our 7 day average for deaths on April 30 = 695
Our 7 day average for deaths on May 31 = 416
Our 7 day average for deaths on June 30 = 271
Our 7 day average July 19 = 268

My point in posting this was...perspective. Yes cases and hospitalizations are rising. But as of right now, today...as compared to March, April, May and June, even with the rise in cases, we are faring better now than we did then on deaths. We are still not as bad today as we were a mere month ago.

Will it change? Get worse? I hope not.

 

[Steelworth]

Those of us who are not vaccinated are waiting for a full review by the FDA. How ******* hard is that for you and your ilk to understand? Pfizer and Moderna have submitted applications to the FDA in May and June, so if the FDA expedites the review, which is expected, then we're looking at January or February at the latest to obtain the FDA's decision. So until then, my family and will wait. So you, Tibs, and the rest of vax pushers can shove it up your *** until then. Capiche'?

Bravo again, sir. Not sure what's so difficult for some to understand here. Not putting a synthetic mRNA strand molecule into my body, period. That's more or less gene therapy, not immunity.

 

[IndySteel]