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Covid Vaccine

Again, why do you choose such a small forum for such a widespread conspiracy?

Some are paying the price for not getting boosted. I’m sure this is the first you’ve heard because you live in an ideological bubble.


Yay, another misinformation article from the Government's mouthpiece - the MSM.

The daily moving 7 day average for world-wide Covid deaths is currently 1,576.
183,671 die each day on Earth.
4,300 people die per day from diarrheal diseases around the globe.

The daily moving 7 day average for US Covid deaths is 156.
8,610 die per day in the USA.

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I've not heard about it, because it's no longer a problem Floggy. You're a sheep and believe it still is a problem. Because they said so. Because you follow. Because you can't think.

You are the perfect target for fear porn.
 
Good interview with Dr. Bhattacharya of Stanford, and how and when he was censored by Twitter. Based on the new information that has come to light, it appears calls for him to be censored began the DAY he joined Twitter. That, alone, is highly telling. It wasn't about what he posted. It's about who he is, and what he represented.

Censorship indeed kills.

 
Where is the “594 days”? Wasn’t that your premise for claiming that the trials had been aborted?

The trials ended before the ESTIMATED completion dates, so what?
Flogtard,
As you can tell, if you tried to do the math, the 594 days has been elongated to something closer to 650 as the end date has been pushed out to Jan 31, 2023 (ask yourself why??) from the original date if Nov 22, 2022.
This original detail was posted at least twice earlier in this thread, once by OFTB, and at least once by me.

If it seems strange that "completed" clinical studies are still ongoing, well it should. Nothing about these studies has been normal or rigorous, including the use of simple descriptive words. If the trials was over, it would state the end date some time ago, not next month.

If I was wagering on this end date for the phase 1/2 clinical trials for the Pfizer Covid shot, I'd say that the end date is likely to keep being pushed out until some ornery judge calls bullshit.
 
Yay, another misinformation article from the Government's mouthpiece - the MSM.

The daily moving 7 day average for world-wide Covid deaths is currently 1,576.
183,671 die each day on Earth.
4,300 people die per day from diarrheal diseases around the globe.

The daily moving 7 day average for US Covid deaths is 156.
8,610 die per day in the USA.

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I've not heard about it, because it's no longer a problem Floggy. You're a sheep and believe it still is a problem. Because they said so. Because you follow. Because you can't think.

You are the perfect target for fear porn.
😂 You refer to misinformation and the MSM being the government’s mouthpiece and then proceed to cite… government information! 😂
 
😂 You refer to misinformation and the MSM being the government’s mouthpiece and then proceed to cite… government information! 😂
If I where an outside observer and where to hear you say that the MS M is not the mouthpiece for the liberal gov, and does not spread mis information I would stop right there because this guy is a ******* dumb-***.
 
😂 You refer to misinformation and the MSM being the government’s mouthpiece and then proceed to cite… government information! 😂

I cited the facts from WORLDOMETERS. Which Government org is that?

YOU cited a MSM article trying to scare people into believing Covid is still utterly deadly...when Covid isn't killing.

I showed....Diarrhea kills 4X more per day than Covid.

Diarrhea.

Poop Floggy. Poop.

This is what you have become. Posting articles from ABC that tell you to be afraid...and YOU are...when poop kills more people than covid.

I'll repeat for the hundredth time....YOU alone are worth me paying admission here yearly. Utter gold entertainment.
 
I cited the facts from WORLDOMETERS. Which Government org is that?

YOU cited a MSM article trying to scare people into believing Covid is still utterly deadly...when Covid isn't killing.

I showed....Diarrhea kills 4X more per day than Covid.

Diarrhea.

Poop Floggy. Poop.

This is what you have become. Posting articles from ABC that tell you to be afraid...and YOU are...when poop kills more people than covid.

I'll repeat for the hundredth time....YOU alone are worth me paying admission here yearly. Utter gold entertainment.
And where does Worldometers get its data? You ******* rube! 😂

“Utterly deadly” As opposed to partly deadly?

What I have become? You toil away in the obscurity of Steelernation Politics and Religion forum while the MSM manipulates your countrymen and the government and Pfizer and Moderna commit genocide with the vaccines. THAT... is who you are.
 
And where does Worldometers get its data? You ******* rube! 😂

“Utterly deadly” As opposed to partly deadly?

What I have become? You toil away in the obscurity of Steelernation Politics and Religion forum while the MSM manipulates your countrymen and the government and Pfizer and Moderna commit genocide with the vaccines. THAT... is who you are.
The MSM only manipulates dumbasses like you.
 
Bacon is always an appropriate choice.

I wonder if there is a study out there somewhere as to whether bacon or the jab is worse for you?
I think the bacon is what keeps me safe
 
And where does Worldometers get its data? You ******* rube! 😂

Once again, you can't keep a single conversation in a thread going in any form of coherent manner. I said ABC was a "mouthpiece for the Government."

Mouthpiece: One, such as a spokesperson, through which views are expressed.

Worldometers is not a "mouthpiece" for the government. They don't write articles, spin narratives, report stories with influence from the Government.

“Utterly deadly” As opposed to partly deadly?

It's not even partly deadly at this point. Diarrhea....as I have said...kills more. You still believe Covid is Ebola. When's your 12th booster scheduled?

200w.webp
 
Further to the German study I posted days ago on why Covid never seems to end....


How the discovery of the shots causing more production of IgG4 as opposed to the other classes of antibodies might explain the negative efficacy of the shots

Horowitz: Possibly the most important study on COVID shots might explain why COVID never seems to endTolerance is a good thing in most aspects of life. But when it comes to the immune system, artificially juicing up the body to create antibodies with long-term tolerance to a pathogen is a recipe for …https://www.conservativereview.com/...-why-covid-never-seems-to-end-2659039644.html

I spoke to Dr. Dan Stock, an Indiana family doctor who is one of the most brilliant immunologists i know. Here is how he explained the significance of class switch from IgG1-3 to IgG4.

When Antigens (Ag) bind IgG1-3 antibodies (Ab) they change shape and then can bind to a macrophage (MF) which takes the Ag-Ab complex into the MF (we call that Ab-mediated uptake opsonization).

But the Ab gives the MF different instructions depending on what type of IgG it is. IgG1-3 tell the MF “this is this or that type of pathogen, protect yourself from it and present it to the lymphocytes so they can make the proper response”.

The MF understands that it has a pathogen, changes its metabolism to make it less infectable, and shows it to lymphocytes with particular patterns of cytokines, which activates the proper immune response.

IgG4 binds an Ag and then is opsonized into MF but the MF is given the instruction “this is innocuous material, don’t protect yourself or activate the lymphocytes, just destroy it”. The MF processes the AG differently without protecting itself and becomes more infectable.

And it doesn’t tell the lymphocytes that they should respond. This is exactly what we saw happening late in the old RSV vaccine, and is another mechanism explaining ADE, in addition to the hypocellular immune response.

The MF becomes more easily infected, doesn’t signal a proper immune response and the infection goes further with more tissue destruction and inflammation than it would have it you hadn’t induced IgG4 production.

So yes, it explains the late-onset immune compromise that we’re seeing, if these shots induce IgG4 shifts, as we now know they do.

IgG4 transformation is part of developing what we call immune tolerance: Where the immune system recognizes a foreign protein but doesn’t mount a response to it. It’s a great thing to do against pollen. It’s a terrible thing to do against a virus.
 
Further to the German study I posted days ago on why Covid never seems to end....


How the discovery of the shots causing more production of IgG4 as opposed to the other classes of antibodies might explain the negative efficacy of the shots

Horowitz: Possibly the most important study on COVID shots might explain why COVID never seems to endTolerance is a good thing in most aspects of life. But when it comes to the immune system, artificially juicing up the body to create antibodies with long-term tolerance to a pathogen is a recipe for …https://www.conservativereview.com/...-why-covid-never-seems-to-end-2659039644.html

I spoke to Dr. Dan Stock, an Indiana family doctor who is one of the most brilliant immunologists i know. Here is how he explained the significance of class switch from IgG1-3 to IgG4.

When Antigens (Ag) bind IgG1-3 antibodies (Ab) they change shape and then can bind to a macrophage (MF) which takes the Ag-Ab complex into the MF (we call that Ab-mediated uptake opsonization).

But the Ab gives the MF different instructions depending on what type of IgG it is. IgG1-3 tell the MF “this is this or that type of pathogen, protect yourself from it and present it to the lymphocytes so they can make the proper response”.

The MF understands that it has a pathogen, changes its metabolism to make it less infectable, and shows it to lymphocytes with particular patterns of cytokines, which activates the proper immune response.

IgG4 binds an Ag and then is opsonized into MF but the MF is given the instruction “this is innocuous material, don’t protect yourself or activate the lymphocytes, just destroy it”. The MF processes the AG differently without protecting itself and becomes more infectable.

And it doesn’t tell the lymphocytes that they should respond. This is exactly what we saw happening late in the old RSV vaccine, and is another mechanism explaining ADE, in addition to the hypocellular immune response.

The MF becomes more easily infected, doesn’t signal a proper immune response and the infection goes further with more tissue destruction and inflammation than it would have it you hadn’t induced IgG4 production.

So yes, it explains the late-onset immune compromise that we’re seeing, if these shots induce IgG4 shifts, as we now know they do.

IgG4 transformation is part of developing what we call immune tolerance: Where the immune system recognizes a foreign protein but doesn’t mount a response to it. It’s a great thing to do against pollen. It’s a terrible thing to do against a virus.

This is one of the things they typically check for in clinical trials before oking a new vaccine… it takes 5 to 10 years to do it… Fauci himself was warning about it early on, you can hear him talking about it in his earliest pressers on the developing vaccines pre release (probably before the checks from Pfizer cleared lol)
 
This is one of the things they typically check for in clinical trials before oking a new vaccine… it takes 5 to 10 years to do it… Fauci himself was warning about it early on, you can hear him talking about it in his earliest pressers on the developing vaccines pre release (probably before the checks from Pfizer cleared lol)
Exactly why these guys who enabled this profiteering at a stressful time need to be held accountable for their lack of performance in being responsible to enforce standards.

It is not ok to experiment on the population just because politicians are stressing the situation, or the media is fear mongering. That is the exact opposite response expected of public health officials.
 
Exactly why these guys who enabled this profiteering at a stressful time need to be held accountable for their lack of performance in being responsible to enforce standards.

It is not ok to experiment on the population just because politicians are stressing the situation, or the media is fear mongering. That is the exact opposite response expected of public health officials.

Public health is too political any more. It shouldn't be called public health. Most of what they do is driven by politics, not science. See the CDC for the past 3 years.

Just a part of the overall corruption of science.
 
For what it's worth, I've been eating bacon all my life and have yet to catch Covid, that I know of.

Coincidence, I think not.
You're not missing much. A couple days of the sniffles and a sore throat. Me and my wife are both 66 with some of the so-called red flags and we were fine.
 
More on ADE and the vaccines from the WSJ. We shared warnings of this 2 years ago. Another conspiracy theory appears to be coming true.

Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?​

The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.


Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations.
“Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.

The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.

Bivalent vaccines that target the Wuhan and BA.5 variants (or breakthrough infections with the latter) prompt the immune system to produce antibodies that target viral regions the two strains have in common. In Darwinian terms, mutations that allow the virus to evade common antibodies win out—they make it “fitter.”

XBB has evolved to elude antibodies induced by the vaccines and breakthrough infections. Hence, the Nature study suggests, “current herd immunity and BA.5 vaccine boosters may not efficiently prevent the infection of Omicron convergent variants.”

A New England Journal of Medicine study (⏰MISINFORMATION ALERT⏰) published last month provides more evidence of the vulnerability caused by immune imprinting. Neutralizing antibodies of people who had received the bivalent were 26 times as high against the original Wuhan variant as they were against XBB and four times as high as they were against Omicron and the BA.5 variant.

Similarly, a study this month in the journal Cell found that antibody levels of people who had received four shots were 145 times as high against the original Wuhan strain as the XBB variant. A bivalent booster only slightly increased antibodies against XBB. Experts nevertheless claim that boosters improve protection against XBB. That’s disinformation, to use their favored term.

A Cleveland Clinic study that tracked its healthcare workers found that bivalent vaccines reduced the risk of getting infected by 30% while the BA.5 variant was spreading. But, as the study explained, the reason might be that workers who were more cautious—i.e., more likely to wear N95 masks and avoid large gatherings—may have also been more likely to get boosted.

Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely.

“This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19,”
the authors noted. “We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed.”

Two years ago, vaccines were helpful in reducing severe illness, particularly among the elderly and those with health risks like diabetes and obesity. But experts refuse to concede that boosters have yielded diminishing benefits and may even have made individuals and the population as a whole more vulnerable to new variants like XBB.
It might not be a coincidence that XBB surged this fall in Singapore, which has among the highest vaccination and booster rates in the world. Over the past several weeks a XBB strain has become predominant in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts, making up about three-quarters of virus samples that have been genetically sequenced. The variant has been slower to take off in other regions, making up only 6% of the Midwest and about 20% in the South. The Northeast is also the most vaccinated and boosted region in the country.

Hospitalizations in the Northeast have risen too, but primarily among those over 70. One reason may be that the T-Cell response—the cavalry riding behind the front-line antibodies—is weaker in older people. The virus can’t evade T-Cells elicited by vaccines and infections as easily as it can antibodies. Because of T-Cells, younger people are still well-protected against new variants.

Another reason may be that monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against XBB, and many older people who catch Covid can’t take the antiviral Paxlovid because they have medical conditions such as severe kidney disease or take drugs that interfere with it.

The Biden administration’s monomaniacal focus on vaccines over new treatments has left the highest-risk Americans more vulnerable to new variants. Why doesn’t that seem to worry the experts?
 
Experts said take the shot. Some got sick. Some died. What are they experts at?
 
Cashing checks from Pfizer......FDA folks can get paid by pharma companies and not disclose this clear conflict. How dangerous is this?
Lots and lots of immigrants coming in soon to be on the streets, good Goni pigs for “testing” for 50 bucks. - “dims”
 
@Troglodyte - what, in your esteemed and humble opinion, would be the reason to delay releasing the data for 75 years on this life-saving vaccine?
Regardless of what has happened since, why would they want to prevent the data from being seen for 75 years?
 
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