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Reuters ran a surprising story yesterday headlined, “CORRECTED-U.S. CDC Still Looking at Potential Stroke Risk From Pfizer Bivalent COVID Shot.” Earlier this month, the CDC said it had detected a ‘weak signal’ of a relationship between ischemic stroke and the jabs, and was going to investigate. Then it concluded its investigation in record time — one day — and it declared that the signal had flickered out, or something, indicating no risk of stroke was associated with the jabs; why would you ever think that?

Well, now the signal is back. Or maybe it never went away, or something. Anyway the CDC “corrected” the fact it has not yet resolved the signal. I guess the one-day investigation was a little too fast.

Yes, it’s not just you, this whole thing is very weird and looks ridiculous.

The article suggested the stroke risk might be linked to people who took flu shots at the same time as their covid booster. But as one public presenter to the VRBPAC committee yesterday stressed, there’ve been signals for stroke in VAERS since day one.

https://rumble.com/v27bmpc-nicole-gs-presentation-to-the-fdas-vrbpac-expert-committee.html
 
Troglodyte said:
OK, its one thing to not be able to do the slightly advanced math that shows the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die, but it’s quite another to not possess enough common sense to understand that 9.7 percent representing 55 percent of the deaths is very disproportionate. How does that not register with you? Seriously.
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Let's take this slow. Because once again, you're switching the discussion.

Your point: "You’re entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts" <---YOU said this to Badcat. Then you posted the the infamous WA State Data again.
Every single statement he made was in fact a factual fact. That data you posted PROVED everything he said was fact. It is undeniable.

Do the "vaccines" STOP the spread of infection? NO
Do the "vaccines" STOP people from getting infected? NO
Do the "vaccines" STOP people from Being hospitalized? NO
Do the "vaccines" STOP people from dying? NO
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The comedy in it all is not only are his claims correct, but the data source you provided PROVES every one of his statements to be false. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Now you want to discuss a new topic. Instead of looking at cases, hospitalizations, deaths, you narrowly select deaths only because it's where you think you can make an inane point to somehow claim victory.

What you are missing is the trend. I have painstakingly analyzed this data over the course of several months showing you that over time, the WA state data clearly and demonstrably shows the declining efficacy of the shots. I've also explained how they attempt to misrepresent the Covid data in the state of WA. These are just several of the posts. Feel free to revisit them. Again, undeniably, you can see week over week, month over month the #s for the vaxed people worsening, while the #s for the unvaxxed improved.

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What makes the data a gem is it does two things...a) it shows how they try to misrepresent the data, but b) it also in so doing shows the declining efficacy of the vaccines.

Finally, the PERCENT OF POPULATION # you refer to in my prior post is completely misleading and you are aware of it. As of their latest report, 9.7% of their population is unvaccinated. From the very first report you linked back in September 2021, 25.5% of the population was unvaxxed.

WA state pushes out a report weekly or monthly. And all they do is ADD numbers to the running total. That prevents residents from actually seeing the trend. Why is that bad? Well the data from Feb 2021 until about mid to late summery 2021 is a really biased data set. Why? The vaccines first came out. And they worked for about 6 weeks. By mid to late summer, the massive wave of people getting the shots slowed and the vaccines waned in performance. That Feb - August set of numbers if highly "pro vaccine" skewed.

But WA state keeps that data in their running total. Look at the numbers since then to really see the picture. I do so for you again, below.

Here's the first report we showed (September 28, 2021):
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And here is the next report (October 5, 2021)

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The actual percentages for that ONE WEEK:
Vaccinated deaths during that week: 58 (29%)
Unvaxxxed deaths during that week: 142 (71%)

There is our baseline. The vaccines have waned, it's September after the summer. And at that point in time, 29% deaths are coming from vaccinated people.

Now let's look at the period from October 5, 2021 to today - their latest report.​

For the period Oct 5, 2021 to Dec 2022:
Total vaccinated deaths: 3,697 (56%)
Total unvaccinated deaths: 2,931 (44%)

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As I said to you then, the numbers, over time, would continue to show the vaccines just aren't that effective. The numbers prove this.

October 2021 vaxxed people were 29% of all deaths and since they have risen to representing 56% of all deaths.
October 2021 unvaxed people were 71% of all deaths and since they dropped to 44%.

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The percent of population numbers dropped during this period from 25% to 9.7%.

So....in order to get the truth out of the data from WA state you have to analyze time periods against one another in order to see the trend.

The WA state data shows a trend everyone with open eyes sees. Over time, vaccinated people are more susceptible to Covid, catch more cases, get more sick, and die more. The trend and the numbers don't lie.

Finally I'll ask you. You have screamed relentlessly "The Vaccines Work!"
 

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Tim Steelersfan said:
Let's take this slow. Because once again, you're switching the discussion.

Your point: "You’re entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts" <---YOU said this to Badcat. Then you posted the the infamous WA State Data again.
Every single statement he made was in fact a factual fact. That data you posted PROVED everything he said was fact. It is undeniable.



The comedy in it all is not only are his claims correct, but the data source you provided PROVES every one of his statements to be false. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Now you want to discuss a new topic. Instead of looking at cases, hospitalizations, deaths, you narrowly select deaths only because it's where you think you can make an inane point to somehow claim victory.

What you are missing is the trend. I have painstakingly analyzed this data over the course of several months showing you that over time, the WA state data clearly and demonstrably shows the declining efficacy of the shots. I've also explained how they attempt to misrepresent the Covid data in the state of WA. These are just several of the posts. Feel free to revisit them. Again, undeniably, you can see week over week, month over month the #s for the vaxed people worsening, while the #s for the unvaxxed improved.

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What makes the data a gem is it does two things...a) it shows how they try to misrepresent the data, but b) it also in so doing shows the declining efficacy of the vaccines.

Finally, the PERCENT OF POPULATION # you refer to in my prior post is completely misleading and you are aware of it. As of their latest report, 9.7% of their population is unvaccinated. From the very first report you linked back in September 2021, 25.5% of the population was unvaxxed.

WA state pushes out a report weekly or monthly. And all they do is ADD numbers to the running total. That prevents residents from actually seeing the trend. Why is that bad? Well the data from Feb 2021 until about mid to late summery 2021 is a really biased data set. Why? The vaccines first came out. And they worked for about 6 weeks. By mid to late summer, the massive wave of people getting the shots slowed and the vaccines waned in performance. That Feb - August set of numbers if highly "pro vaccine" skewed.

But WA state keeps that data in their running total. Look at the numbers since then to really see the picture. I do so for you again, below.

Here's the first report we showed (September 28, 2021):
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And here is the next report (October 5, 2021)

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The actual percentages for that ONE WEEK:
Vaccinated deaths during that week: 58 (29%)
Unvaxxxed deaths during that week: 142 (71%)

There is our baseline. The vaccines have waned, it's September after the summer. And at that point in time, 29% deaths are coming from vaccinated people.

Now let's look at the period from October 5, 2021 to today - their latest report.​

Oct 5, 2021 to January 7, 2023:
Total vaccinated deaths: 818,126 (60.17%)
Total unvaccinated deaths: 541,340 (39.8%)

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As I said to you then, the numbers, over time, would continue to show the vaccines just aren't that effective. The numbers prove this.

October 2021 vaxxed people were 29% of all deaths and since they have risen to representing 60% of all deaths.
October 2021 unvaxed people were 71% of all deaths and since they represent 40%.
A 31 point swing.
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The percent of population numbers dropped during this period from 25% to 9.7%.

So....in order to get the truth out of the data from WA state you have to analyze time periods against one another in order to see the trend.

The WA state data shows a trend everyone with open eyes sees. Over time, vaccinated people are more susceptible to Covid, catch more cases, get more sick, and die more. The trend and the numbers don't lie.
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FFS, the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die. The vaccine prevents (STOPS) 10/11 people from dying. You idiot.
 
Troglodyte said:
FFS, the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die. The vaccine prevents (STOPS) 10/11 people from dying. You idiot.
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LMAO

You accused Badcat of making up facts. Badcat didn't. You're creating your own reality.

In WA state the TREND shows that in just 14-15 months the % of deaths among the vaccinated rose from 29% to 56%. And it keeps worsening.

Keep hanging on Floggy! Keep hanging on!

It's like watching the tide roll in and slowly eat away at the sand castle you've built LOL
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
LMAO

You accused Badcat of making up facts. Badcat didn't. You're creating your own reality.

In WA state the TREND shows that in just 14-15 months the % of deaths among the vaccinated rose from 29% to 56%. And it keeps worsening.

Keep hanging on Floggy! Keep hanging on!

It's like watching the tide roll in and slowly eat away at the sand castle you've built LOL
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Because the percent of the population that was vaccinated increased several hundred percent while the unvaccinated population declined. I’m guessing you never took a prob stats class, but if you did your professor would weep reading your posts.
 
Troglodyte said:
Because the percent of the population that was vaccinated increased several hundred percent while the unvaccinated population declined. I’m guessing you never took a prob stats class, but if you did your professor would weep reading your posts.
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We are all well aware of that fact Floggy.

What you refuse to admit is the ******* obvious. The vaccines don't work. In 15 months, nearly 3,700 vaccinated residents of Washington DIED. You know, after taking the vaccine that is supposed to protect them from....dying. 247 people a month, vaccinated, DIED.

What other vaccine on the market has this level of failure?

I'll wait.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
We are all well aware of that fact Floggy.

What you refuse to admit is the ******* obvious. The vaccines don't work. In 15 months, nearly 3,700 vaccinated residents of Washington DIED. You know, after taking the vaccine that is supposed to protect them from....dying. 247 people a month, vaccinated, DIED.

What other vaccine on the market has this level of failure?

I'll wait.
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My wife and I both got vaxxed and about this time last year we both got the 'Rona anyway.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
My wife and I both got vaxxed and about this time last year we both got the 'Rona anyway.
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I don't say this to be insulting, but of course you did.

I'm likely to get it again. But I have natural immunity. Got it in August 21. Haven't gotten it since. Neither has my wife, also unvaxxed, and she had it in May of 21.

So far that natural immunity is holding steadfast.
 
Great read from Eugyppius.

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Last week, Project Veritas released secretly recorded video of a Pfizer employee named Jordon Trishton Walker. As in other cases, Project Veritas appears to have approached Walker with a potential romantic partner (likely a sex worker paid by Project Veritas), who gradually gained his trust over a period of days. On his third date at a New York City restaurant, Walker made the following four statements about virus research at Pfizer, at different moments in the conversation:

One of the things we’re exploring is like, why don’t we just mutate it ourselves so we could create – preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we’re gonna do that though, there’s a risk of like, as you could imagine – no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating ******* viruses.
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Don’t tell anyone. Promise you won’t tell anyone. The way it would work is that we put the virus in monkeys, and we successively cause them to keep infecting each other, and we collect serial samples from them.
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You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullshit.
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From what I’ve heard is they are optimising it, but they’re going slow because everyone is very cautious – obviously they don’t want to accelerate it too much. I think they are also just trying to do it as an exploratory thing because you obviously don’t want to advertise that you are figuring out future mutations.
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Although Walker is clearly drunk and a little incoherent in the video, none of these remarks are improbable or surprising. Directed evolution of viruses is a real thing that virologists do. Rhesus and macaque monkeys are standard animal models in SARS-2 research.

What this actually reveals, is that the Pfizer/BioNTech bivalent vaccine has been a total flop. Uptake is lower than ever, and within months of its rollout, BA.5 infections receded in the face of what will probably soon be the new dominant lineage, XBB.1.5. Because it takes so long to research and produce updated vaccines, you’re always vaccinating against yesterday’s variant. Vaccinator hysteria, however, has created an enormous global market for on-target Covid boosters, so you’d better believe that there are people out there right now trying to get ahead of the evolutionary curve. One way to do this, would be to infect bivalent-vaccinated animal models with current virus lineages, and observe which escape mutations emerge. Walker appears to say that Pfizer is considering a research programme along these lines, and that other scientists are already doing this work.

I’ll be honest: I don’t think what Walker describes is necessarily dangerous. The virus is already training itself against vaccine-elicited antibodies in billions of people. That’s a powerful force that I’m not sure Pfizer’s scientists have any hope of outpacing. Were such a tweaked virus to escape a laboratory, it would just have the antibody-evading properties of many other strains; we might not even recognise it as a lab product. Still, Walker’s revelations are significant, for they reveal how easily demand for vaccines becomes pressure to tinker with viral evolution. Similar research on potential pandemic pathogens that are poorly adapted to humans would indeed be truly dangerous.

Hours after Project Veritas released the video, Jordon Walker was thoroughly scrubbed from Google search results and social media. This was the first tell that their work had embarrassed the pharmaceutical giant. Aside from this tepid debunking at Newsweek and segments on Tucker Carlson Tonight, the story has been totally ignored by the American press, which is a second important clue. The general blackout has encouraged both the Twitter Pfizer fanclub and many on our own side of the debate to argue that the event was staged, or that Project Veritas has fallen victim to some kind of disinformation trap. The most common objections, however, simply don’t hold water:

1) Jordon Walker’s identity and his affiliation with Pfizer are easily verified.

2) Walker’s title (Director, Worldwide R&D Strategic Operations and mRNA Scientific Planning) does not indicate that he’s a senior Pfizer executive or even that he’s especially important. He’s a midlevel functionary with a consultant background. That said, his idiocy and lack of self-control should surprise nobody, given the stunning and ongoing incompetence of the entire mass vaccination effort.

3) The partnership between BioNTech and Pfizer nowhere stipulates that Pfizer will not conduct research on the SARS-2 virus. Pfizer has far more extensive laboratory facilities than BioNTech and a serious financial interest in their mRNA Covid jabs, so it makes sense that they’d contemplate this work.

4) Walker’s fairly hilarious reaction upon being confronted by James O’Keefe with his secretly recorded statements, far form suggesting that this is fake or staged, does a great deal of damage to theories that this is a twelve-dimensional misinformation operation by Pfizer itself.

Yesterday, Pfizer issued the following non-denial denial:

Allegations have recently been made related to gain of function and directed evolution research at Pfizer and the company would like to set the record straight.
In the ongoing development of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, Pfizer has not conducted gain of function or directed evolution research. Working with collaborators, we have conducted research where the original SARS-CoV-2 virus has been used to express the spike protein from new variants of concern. This work is undertaken once a new variant of concern has been identified by public health authorities. This research provides a way for us to rapidly assess the ability of an existing vaccine to induce antibodies that neutralize a newly identified variant of concern. We then make this data available through peer reviewed scientific journals and use it as one of the steps to determine whether a vaccine update is required.
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Note that Pfizer do not deny Jordon Walker’s statements, which were not about past work, but about possible future research. Nor do they deny that Walker was their employee, or directly address anything else that he said.
 
I've detailed before how my sister got messed up from the Moderna vaccine. I found out yesterday that she's still getting a steroid shot once a week although at lower dose than she was originally.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I've detailed before how my sister got messed up from the Moderna vaccine. I found out yesterday that she's still getting a steroid shot once a week although at lower dose than she was originally.
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"Link?" /Floggy
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
We are all well aware of that fact Floggy.

What you refuse to admit is the ******* obvious. The vaccines don't work. In 15 months, nearly 3,700 vaccinated residents of Washington DIED. You know, after taking the vaccine that is supposed to protect them from....dying. 247 people a month, vaccinated, DIED.

What other vaccine on the market has this level of failure?

I'll wait.
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We’ve been through this childish and simplistic logic before and you quickly drop it once other examples of preventative measures “not working” are pointed out. It’s just dumb.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I've detailed before how my sister got messed up from the Moderna vaccine. I found out yesterday that she's still getting a steroid shot once a week although at lower dose than she was originally.
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I want steroid shots. For different reasons *ahem*
 
Troglodyte said:
We’ve been through this childish and simplistic logic before and you quickly drop it once other examples of preventative measures “not working” are pointed out. It’s just dumb.
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LMAO, we have indeed. You continue to scream the vaccines work while the vaccinated continue to catch Covid, go to the hospital and die by the thousands.

Vaccines stop spread, damage, and death.

These are not vaccines. They in fact suck.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
LMAO, we have indeed. You continue to scream the vaccines work while the vaccinated continue to catch Covid, go to the hospital and die by the thousands.

Vaccines stop spread, damage, and death.

These are not vaccines. They in fact suck.
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Seatbelts don’t work, helmets don’t work, etc. Again, it’s simplistic and childish logic.
 
Troglodyte said:
Seatbelts don’t work, helmets don’t work, etc. Again, it’s simplistic and childish logic.
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What's simplistic and childish is watching you persist defending vaccines that leave people vulnerable to infection, hospitalization and death.

The vaccines suck.

I gotta stop calling them that. The shots suck.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
What's simplistic and childish is watching you persist defending vaccines that leave people vulnerable to infection, hospitalization and death.

The vaccines suck.

I gotta stop calling them that. The shots suck.
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They save lives, it’s clearly proven. Just like seatbelts. I suppose you don’t wear seatbelts either?
 
Troglodyte said:
They save lives, it’s clearly proven. Just like seatbelts. I suppose you don’t wear seatbelts either?
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3,700 people's families in Washington disagree with you.
 
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