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Covid Vaccine


The objective of this prospective study by Swiss researchers was to investigate the incidence and possible mechanisms of oligosymptomatic myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 (Moderna) booster vaccination. The findings showed that myocardial injury after mRNA-1273 booster vaccination occurred in one out of 35 people (2.8%), which was higher than the incidence estimated in meta-analyses of hospitalized cases with myocarditis (incidence of 0.0035%) after the second vaccination. Myocardial injury was mild and transient, and it was more frequent in women than in men.
Myocarditis and/or pericarditis are rare adverse cardiac events observed most frequently in adolescent and young adult males during the first week after the second dose of mRNA vaccine (BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273), although it can also occur in other demographic groups after a single or third (booster) dose of mRNA vaccines. The etiology of vaccine-associated myopericarditis remains unknown. Early hypotheses suggested that the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein, which can be found in the blood, may induce cardiac-targeted autoantibodies through molecular mimicry. Another hypothesis is that hypersensitivity myocarditis may be responsible for the pathology. Another possible mechanism is autoimmune myocarditis, which is driven by T helper type 17 responses, but there is no evidence to support this pathology yet. https://discovermednews.com/cytokin...yocarditis-after-mrna-sars-cov-2-vaccination/ https://discovermednews.com/elevate...yocarditis-after-sars-cov-2-mrna-vaccination/
In this study, the authors hypothesized that myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 booster vaccination may be more common than currently thought, because the symptoms can be unspecific, mild, or even absent, escaping passive surveillance that detects only hospitalized cases.
Myocardial-injury.webp

About the study
The objectives of this prospective active surveillance study were to investigate the incidence of oligosymptomatic myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 booster vaccination, to make early diagnosis and to avoid the possible aggravation of myocardial injury, and, finally, to explore a possible underlying mechanisms.
The incidence of myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 booster vaccination was evaluated in 777 employees of the University Hospital, Basel. The median age was 37 years, and 69.5% of participants were women. The study also included 3716 eligible controls who were matched in age, gender, and history of coronary artery disease/acute myocardial infarction, and had comparable baseline characteristics. Criteria for exclusion were cardiac events or cardiac surgery within 30 days prior to vaccination, or patients missing the high-sensitivity cardiac troponin T (hs-cTnT) measurement on day 3 after vaccination.
On day 3 (48–96 hours) after the vaccination, participants were assessed for possible myocarditis-related symptoms and a venous blood sample was taken for the measurement of hs-cTnT. Myocardial injury associated with the mRNA vaccine was defined as an acute dynamic hs-cTnT elevation above the gender-specific 99th percentile upper-limit (8.9 ng/L in women and 15.5 ng/L in men) without evidence of any alternative cause. Furthermore, major adverse cardiac events (MACE) including acute heart failure, cardiac death, life-threatening arrhythmias and acute myocardial infarction were assessed at a 30-day follow-up.
Researchers also explored the potential mechanisms of myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. They examined the levels of anti-IL-1RA autoantibodies, the antibodies against nucleoprotein (NP) or spike (S1) protein of SARS-CoV2, and 14 biomarkers of systemic inflammation, including IL-1β, IL-6, IL-8, IL-10, IL-12p70, IFN-α, IFN-β, IFN-λ1(IL-29), IFN-λ2/3(IL-28), IFN-γ, TNF-α, IP-10, and GM-CSF.
Results
On day 4, the concentrations of hs-cTnT were significantly higher in the overall cohort receiving the mRNA-1273 booster (median 5 ng/L) in comparison to the matched controls (median 3 ng/L). Out of 777 participants, 40 (5.1%) had elevated hs-cTnT concentrations above the gender-specific ULN cutoffs for myocardial injury adjudication. There was no history of heart disease among the participants with elevated markers of myocardial injury related to mRNA vaccination. Eleven participants (50%) reported unspecific symptoms including fever and chills, and two had chest pain. Furthermore, the two participants, both female, who had vaccine-associated myocardial injury and chest pain met the criteria of Brighton Collaboration case definition level 2, which indicates probable myocarditis.
In 18 of 40 participants, it was concluded that there is probably an alternative cause for elevated hs-cTnT concentrations after vaccination. 22 participants (2.8%) were found to have myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 vaccine. The median age for this group was 46 years, and the median concentration of hs-cTnT was 13.5 ng/l.
Out of 22 people with myocardial injury after vaccination, 20 were women and two were men. This gender difference was statistically significant. However, the incidence of vaccine-associated myocardial injury declined in women (9 cases) and increased in men (5 cases) if a uniform ULN cutoff for adjudication of 14 ng/L was used. The authors have noted that their findings are different from the majority of reported clinical cases of myocarditis associated with vaccination, because this myocarditis mostly affects young men.
All cases were mild, with only a transient and brief period of myocardial injury. No changes in the electrocardiogram (ST-segment depression or T-wave inversion) were found. 775 participants (99.7%) completed thirty-days of MACE follow-up, and no participant developed MACE. According to threshold that imaging experts established (usually a hs-cTnT concentration of 50-100 ng/L), cardiomyocyte injury associated with vaccination was below the limit for cardiac MRI late gadolinium enhancement in myocarditis, so, cardiac MRI was not performed.
The concentrations of IL-1RA, anti-IL-1RA, anti-S1 and anti-NP (a serological evidence for prior infection with SARS-CoV2), as well as the majority of tested markers of systemic inflammation, were not significantly different between participants with myocardial injury after mRNA-1273 vaccination and those without myocardial injury. The only differences were found in the levels of IFN-λ1 and GM-CSF, which were lower in cases with mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated myocardial injury.
The researchers emphasized that their findings supported the research hypothesis. After mRNA-1273 booster vaccination, markers of myocardial injury were elevated in one of 35 people (2.8%). The elevation of hs-cTnT was independent of previous COVID-19 infections or the interval from the last dose of vaccine. It is important to investigate whether decreased blood levels of IFN-λ1 and GM-CSF may reduce myocardial protection and thereby promote vaccine-associated myocardial injury.
This article was published in European Journal of Heart Failure.
Buergin N, Lopez-Ayala P et al. gender-specific differences in myocardial injury incidence after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination. Eur J Heart Failure 10.1002/ejhf.2978 (Open Access) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejhf.2978
 
Did Forbes not accuse him of being anti-conspiracy?
Have you had a stroke, or do you not understand what “anti” means? Forbes accused Musk of promoting conspiracies, which he has done.
In neither case was it proven there was no causal link between their attacks and the vaccine. None.
Uh, the Stanford soccer player committed suicide, Tim.

It also wasn’t proven that a witch’s spell wasn’t behind the attacks of Hamlin and James. So….
You'll wait till hell freezes over because your obtuse *** refuses to accept any scientific facts that don't fit your ideology.

You've been provided thousands of examples. And we've listed over and over and over all of the things we said for 3 years that came to be true. We waited. We were right.

Keep waiting. More keeps coming to light.
Scientific facts? IF James was vaccinated, his most recent shot was likely last fall. HUNDREDS of basketball games and practices later, he has a heart attack and you link to to the vaccine from 10 months ago. THAT only makes sense to someone who wants to believe the vaccine is genocidal.

And brace yourself….

 
Have you had a stroke

No, my understanding is that TSF did NOT get the shot.

Scientific facts? IF James was vaccinated, his most recent shot was likely last fall. HUNDREDS of basketball games and practices later, he has a heart attack and you link to to the vaccine from 10 months ago.

Sure, no cause-and-effect otherwise. If a product is proven to cause heart disease - like the shot - then all medicine agrees that the heart disease must IMMEDIATELY cause a heart attack, just like smoking and heart disea ... I mean just like obesity and heart disea ...

Or perhaps - stay with me here - the shot caused the heart disease, and the exercise finally triggered the heart attack months later. But I guess 18-year old star athletes are prone to heart attacks, so maybe he is just another in a very long line of 18-year olds more fit than 99.999% of the population who just happen to have a heart attack.

Floggy, it's Occam on line 1.
 
Have you had a stroke, or do you not understand what “anti” means? Forbes accused Musk of promoting conspiracies, which he has done.

Uh, the Stanford soccer player committed suicide, Tim.

It also wasn’t proven that a witch’s spell wasn’t behind the attacks of Hamlin and James. So….

Scientific facts? IF James was vaccinated, his most recent shot was likely last fall. HUNDREDS of basketball games and practices later, he has a heart attack and you link to to the vaccine from 10 months ago. THAT only makes sense to someone who wants to believe the vaccine is genocidal.

And brace yourself….

Dipshit.

The FDA is using the same strategy for Covid shots as for flu shots, including their guesstimate that XBB.1.5 is the variant to aim for this flu season.


Because you are so dense, the link you sent is confirming that FDA now views Covid related stuff as just like the flu, bro.
 
No, my understanding is that TSF did NOT get the shot.



Sure, no cause-and-effect otherwise. If a product is proven to cause heart disease - like the shot - then all medicine agrees that the heart disease must IMMEDIATELY cause a heart attack, just like smoking and heart disea ... I mean just like obesity and heart disea ...

Or perhaps - stay with me here - the shot caused the heart disease, and the exercise finally triggered the heart attack months later. But I guess 18-year old star athletes are prone to heart attacks, so maybe he is just another in a very long line of 18-year olds more fit than 99.999% of the population who just happen to have a heart attack.

Floggy, it's Occam on line 1.
If anything, Occam would be Covid itself, not the vaccine. FACT (that Musk doesn’t like).

Remember the time the Covid vaccine travelled back in time and did this?


And this:


And this:

 

The objective of this prospective study by Swiss researchers was to investigate the incidence and possible mechanisms of oligosymptomatic myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 (Moderna) booster vaccination. The findings showed that myocardial injury after mRNA-1273 booster vaccination occurred in one out of 35 people (2.8%), which was higher than the incidence estimated in meta-analyses of hospitalized cases with myocarditis (incidence of 0.0035%) after the second vaccination. Myocardial injury was mild and transient, and it was more frequent in women than in men.
Myocarditis and/or pericarditis are rare adverse cardiac events observed most frequently in adolescent and young adult males during the first week after the second dose of mRNA vaccine (BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273), although it can also occur in other demographic groups after a single or third (booster) dose of mRNA vaccines. The etiology of vaccine-associated myopericarditis remains unknown. Early hypotheses suggested that the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein, which can be found in the blood, may induce cardiac-targeted autoantibodies through molecular mimicry. Another hypothesis is that hypersensitivity myocarditis may be responsible for the pathology. Another possible mechanism is autoimmune myocarditis, which is driven by T helper type 17 responses, but there is no evidence to support this pathology yet. https://discovermednews.com/cytokin...yocarditis-after-mrna-sars-cov-2-vaccination/ https://discovermednews.com/elevate...yocarditis-after-sars-cov-2-mrna-vaccination/
In this study, the authors hypothesized that myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 booster vaccination may be more common than currently thought, because the symptoms can be unspecific, mild, or even absent, escaping passive surveillance that detects only hospitalized cases.
Myocardial-injury.webp

About the study
The objectives of this prospective active surveillance study were to investigate the incidence of oligosymptomatic myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 booster vaccination, to make early diagnosis and to avoid the possible aggravation of myocardial injury, and, finally, to explore a possible underlying mechanisms.
The incidence of myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 booster vaccination was evaluated in 777 employees of the University Hospital, Basel. The median age was 37 years, and 69.5% of participants were women. The study also included 3716 eligible controls who were matched in age, gender, and history of coronary artery disease/acute myocardial infarction, and had comparable baseline characteristics. Criteria for exclusion were cardiac events or cardiac surgery within 30 days prior to vaccination, or patients missing the high-sensitivity cardiac troponin T (hs-cTnT) measurement on day 3 after vaccination.
On day 3 (48–96 hours) after the vaccination, participants were assessed for possible myocarditis-related symptoms and a venous blood sample was taken for the measurement of hs-cTnT. Myocardial injury associated with the mRNA vaccine was defined as an acute dynamic hs-cTnT elevation above the gender-specific 99th percentile upper-limit (8.9 ng/L in women and 15.5 ng/L in men) without evidence of any alternative cause. Furthermore, major adverse cardiac events (MACE) including acute heart failure, cardiac death, life-threatening arrhythmias and acute myocardial infarction were assessed at a 30-day follow-up.
Researchers also explored the potential mechanisms of myocardial injury after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. They examined the levels of anti-IL-1RA autoantibodies, the antibodies against nucleoprotein (NP) or spike (S1) protein of SARS-CoV2, and 14 biomarkers of systemic inflammation, including IL-1β, IL-6, IL-8, IL-10, IL-12p70, IFN-α, IFN-β, IFN-λ1(IL-29), IFN-λ2/3(IL-28), IFN-γ, TNF-α, IP-10, and GM-CSF.
Results
On day 4, the concentrations of hs-cTnT were significantly higher in the overall cohort receiving the mRNA-1273 booster (median 5 ng/L) in comparison to the matched controls (median 3 ng/L). Out of 777 participants, 40 (5.1%) had elevated hs-cTnT concentrations above the gender-specific ULN cutoffs for myocardial injury adjudication. There was no history of heart disease among the participants with elevated markers of myocardial injury related to mRNA vaccination. Eleven participants (50%) reported unspecific symptoms including fever and chills, and two had chest pain. Furthermore, the two participants, both female, who had vaccine-associated myocardial injury and chest pain met the criteria of Brighton Collaboration case definition level 2, which indicates probable myocarditis.
In 18 of 40 participants, it was concluded that there is probably an alternative cause for elevated hs-cTnT concentrations after vaccination. 22 participants (2.8%) were found to have myocardial injury associated with mRNA-1273 vaccine. The median age for this group was 46 years, and the median concentration of hs-cTnT was 13.5 ng/l.
Out of 22 people with myocardial injury after vaccination, 20 were women and two were men. This gender difference was statistically significant. However, the incidence of vaccine-associated myocardial injury declined in women (9 cases) and increased in men (5 cases) if a uniform ULN cutoff for adjudication of 14 ng/L was used. The authors have noted that their findings are different from the majority of reported clinical cases of myocarditis associated with vaccination, because this myocarditis mostly affects young men.
All cases were mild, with only a transient and brief period of myocardial injury. No changes in the electrocardiogram (ST-segment depression or T-wave inversion) were found. 775 participants (99.7%) completed thirty-days of MACE follow-up, and no participant developed MACE. According to threshold that imaging experts established (usually a hs-cTnT concentration of 50-100 ng/L), cardiomyocyte injury associated with vaccination was below the limit for cardiac MRI late gadolinium enhancement in myocarditis, so, cardiac MRI was not performed.
The concentrations of IL-1RA, anti-IL-1RA, anti-S1 and anti-NP (a serological evidence for prior infection with SARS-CoV2), as well as the majority of tested markers of systemic inflammation, were not significantly different between participants with myocardial injury after mRNA-1273 vaccination and those without myocardial injury. The only differences were found in the levels of IFN-λ1 and GM-CSF, which were lower in cases with mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated myocardial injury.
The researchers emphasized that their findings supported the research hypothesis. After mRNA-1273 booster vaccination, markers of myocardial injury were elevated in one of 35 people (2.8%). The elevation of hs-cTnT was independent of previous COVID-19 infections or the interval from the last dose of vaccine. It is important to investigate whether decreased blood levels of IFN-λ1 and GM-CSF may reduce myocardial protection and thereby promote vaccine-associated myocardial injury.
This article was published in European Journal of Heart Failure.
Buergin N, Lopez-Ayala P et al. gender-specific differences in myocardial injury incidence after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination. Eur J Heart Failure 10.1002/ejhf.2978 (Open Access) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejhf.2978
Were this any other product, the FDA would be considering pulling it from the market.
 
Uh, I believe the current consensus is that Covid was a hoax perpetrated by big pharma so they could siphon $200 billion from the government. So the whole “Covid came from a Chinese lab” things seems to be old hat.
 
If anything, Occam would be Covid itself, not the vaccine. FACT (that Musk doesn’t like).

Wait - so not only does the shot fail to prevent you from getting Covid, it also doesn't prevent you from getting heart disease and having a heart attack as an 18-year old male who would rank among the top 0.01% most fit in the world?

That's your theory?? Then da fuq good is the shot??

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The Vax Manufacturers

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The Stupid Taxpayers
 
Wait - so not only does the shot fail to prevent you from getting Covid, it also doesn't prevent you from getting heart disease and having a heart attack as an 18-year old male who would rank among the top 0.01% most fit in the world?

That's your theory?? Then da fuq good is the shot??

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The Vax Manufacturers

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The Stupid Taxpayers
Cartoons. Fitting.

Here’s some scientific facts…

 
Have you had a stroke, or do you not understand what “anti” means? Forbes accused Musk of promoting conspiracies, which he has done.

Yes, I meant conspiracy, not anti.

Uh, the Stanford soccer player committed suicide, Tim.

I was referring to Hamlin.

It also wasn’t proven that a witch’s spell wasn’t behind the attacks of Hamlin and James. So….

You have said none of the deaths we posted here were ever cause by the clot shot. Definitively. I'm asking for proof they were not.

Scientific facts? IF James was vaccinated, his most recent shot was likely last fall.

You infer you're talking about logic and science, then begin the sentence with if.

The clot shots have LONG term affects on the heart.

He may well be on the booster train, who knows?

HUNDREDS of basketball games and practices later, he has a heart attack and you link to to the vaccine from 10 months ago.

See above. Yep. A damaged heart is a damaged heart. Myocarditis can/does cause permanent heart damage

THAT only makes sense to someone who wants to believe the vaccine is very risky.

FIFY


Brace myself? I won't be taking it. Only the very rare cases should given the flu is now more deadly than Covid. Why inject oneself with a vaccine that has 25X more AEs than others?

You will, because you're an idiot.
 
So the whole “Covid came from a Chinese lab” thing

You mean that "thing" you were wrong about - you know, calling everyone who said it likely came from the lab a misinformation spreader?

A perfect example of just wait. We waited. We were proven correct. Your side wrong.

Next.
 
If anything, Occam would be Covid itself, not the vaccine. FACT (that Musk doesn’t like).

Remember the time the Covid vaccine travelled back in time and did this?


And this:


And this:

Great job finding three separate athletes, spanning three separate decades, over the course of 22 years.
Great apples to apples comparison to the rash of athletes dropping dead/having heart issues within the last 2 1/2 years.
 
Great job finding three separate athletes, spanning three separate decades, over the course of 22 years.
Great apples to apples comparison to the rash of athletes dropping dead/having heart issues within the last 2 1/2 years.
😂 FFS, there’s tens of millions of young athletes who are vaccinated and haven’t experienced a heart attack. So who is spinning what?
 
Great job finding three separate athletes, spanning three separate decades, over the course of 22 years.
Great apples to apples comparison to the rash of athletes dropping dead/having heart issues within the last 2 1/2 years.

Floggy is busily examining the interwebz for any mention of 19th century athletes having heart attacks.

No luck yet. But 3 in 22 years, that's one every 7.3 years, Fedderone! Same as today!!

18-year old Bronny James heart attack

French tennis star suffers heart problems after vax

29-year old soccer player drops dead of heart attack after vax

18-year old soccer player drops dead on field after vax

31-year old Dutch speedskater with serious heart condition after shot

17-year old dies of heart attack on field

18-year old Columbian soccer player suffers heart attack on field

I can link 50, 60, 70 more if you wish. Okay, here goes:

Shot then heart problems for elite athletes

But I mean, it just so happens that about 100 of these events happened in the two years since the shot. I thereby expect there to be no more for the next 730 years, so the one every 7.3 years ratio will continue!!

Prove me wrong, fedderone! Or are you going to continue to be a conspiracy theorist white supremacist science denier?!?
 
😂 FFS, there’s tens of millions of young athletes who are vaccinated and haven’t experienced a heart attack. So who is spinning what?

You really are this stupid, aren't you? The fact that not EVERY ******* recipient of the vax dies of a heart attack does not prove it safe, you moron. Less than 100% mortality =/= safe. Otherwise, hand grenades and nuclear weapons would be "safe."

The undeniable truth - supported by medical research - is that the shot causes heart disease in the young, the very population which did NOT NEED THE ******* SHOT. The incidence of sudden heart attacks by the most fit population on earth - young athletes playing tennis, soccer, and ice hockey - shows something is wrong. Seriously wrong.

You were wrong about lockdowns. You were wrong about school closures. You were wrong about masking kids. You were wrong about the shot for those under 50. For **** sake, just stop already.
 
The unprecedented surge in cardiac arrest and other heart issues among elite athletes coincides with the rollout of COVID-19 jabs.

The Miami Open made headlines in early April after 15 players — all of whom had reportedly received COVID-19 injections — dropped out.

Among them were favorites Paula Badosa and Jannik Sinner. Badosa left the court in tears after becoming unwell, and Sinner’s opponent said he saw him “bend over” on the court, noting “it was very strange.”

Even the fans were confused, with one stating, “What is going on?”

As Pearson Sharp of OAN explained, “These are just two of more than 769 athletes who have collapsed during a game, on the field, over the last year.” He continued:

“How many 23-year-old athletes were collapsing and suffering heart attacks before this year? Do you know any 23-year-old people who had heart attacks before now? And these are just the ones we know about. How many have gone unreported? Nearly 800 athletes — young, fit people in the prime of life — falling down on the field. In fact, 500% more soccer players in the EU are dropping dead from heart attacks than just one year ago.

“Coincidence? When the Pfizer vaccine is known to cause heart inflammation? No. In fact, many doctors treating these players list their injuries and deaths as being directly caused by the vaccine … This is not a coincidence.”

500% increase in heart events involving young athletes

Floggy:

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😂 FFS, there’s tens of millions of young athletes who are vaccinated and haven’t experienced a heart attack. So who is spinning what?
I hate to inject this comparison......

You're the idiot who probably also spouts gun control/gun takeback/no guns for citizens due to all the school shootings because guns are the bad thing.
Nevermind guns were invented and around before this country was founded.
Likewise, schools also predate this country.
Both have been around, TOGETHER without incident, since before the founding of this country up to and including present day.
But then we had Kent State in 1970.
Columbine in 1999.
Sandy Hook in 2012.
Three incidents in a 42 years.
And since Sandy Hook, in the last decade, just a dramatic uptick in school shootings.
What changed? Gun laws have progressively become more and more restrictive.
More schools opened, but they also have progressively ramped up security on school grounds.
What CHANGED that this is now a more prominent issue?!?!?!?!?!??!

Psychotropic drugs?
Recreational drugs?
Television?
Video Games?
Social Media?

I'm not going to pretend to have a definitive answer for why school shootings ramped up in the last decade.
Nor will I speculate what exactly is causing an uptick in athlete deaths in the last 3 years.
But what I will do, and what everyone should do, is use their eyes/ears/common sense/logic to realize when something is REALLY off and find the root cause.
I LOATHE we are a "Race for the Cure" society, which is RE-active.
I want us to be a "Race for the CAUSE" society, which is PRO-active.

But coming back to the shot.
Nobody was espousing you do physical activity, get sunlight, eat a proper diet, cut sugars and processed carbs, etc.
Most everyone was saying stay inside, wear masks, stay away from people, get these EUA vaccines, and don't question anything.
Some health abnormalities have popped up since late 2019 to now.
Is it the COVID virus?
Is it the COVID vaccine?
Is it something we're not discussing?
The term SCIENCE has been tossed around like a punchline at a dinner party in the last few years.
But science, in its truest form, is QUESTIONING the narrative. QUESTIONING the standard. QUESTIONING until we have a definitive answer for an issue.
It is not settled science, contrary to what you and Dr. Perjury Fauci and the Main Stream Sheep parrot over and over.
 
😂 FFS, there’s tens of millions of young athletes who are vaccinated and haven’t experienced a heart attack. So who is spinning what?

Deflection. Answer his question. We show you a litany of athletes unexpectedly dropping dead for no explicable reason. You show 3 in 30 years who did prior to the clot shots and say "See normal!!!"

Explain the recent abnormal rise in the utterly healthy athletes dropping dead.

You won't. Because you can't....unless you agree with the obvious.
 
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