Covid Vaccine

[Confluence]

Covid is like Superman and the Flu is Clark Kent.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

so let’s pretend we immunize 100% of the population here

it decreases short term deaths and cuts down on the spread a little

it doesn’t end it

then 5 to 10 years down the road one of the horrible potential issues with mrna shows up… cancer or long term heart disease or second generation loss of immunity or any of the dozen concerns that are out there from creditable science… including some that showed up in various rat tests early in mrna development

any one of them in sufficient percentages would be utterly devastating to the population and cause a health pandemic that dwarfs this hypercold… its a huge reason why the initial emergency approval avoided younger people without co morbidities … its why as they expand it and ram it through more and more fda officials are quitting because nobody is listening to their warnings and instead playing politics …

Even worse is this plan to use Pfizer as a booster for everyone even though studies on the safety of mix and matching vaccines are few and far between and even the inept WHO has advised against it when Canada started down that path

I still find it funny that @Troglodyte and @Tibs refuse to touch your posts with a 10 foot pole.

 

[Confluence]

so let’s pretend we immunize 100% of the population here

it decreases short term deaths and cuts down on the spread a little

it doesn’t end it

then 5 to 10 years down the road one of the horrible potential issues with mrna shows up… cancer or long term heart disease or second generation loss of immunity or any of the dozen concerns that are out there from creditable science… including some that showed up in various rat tests early in mrna development

any one of them in sufficient percentages would be utterly devastating to the population and cause a health pandemic that dwarfs this hypercold… its a huge reason why the initial emergency approval avoided younger people without co morbidities … its why as they expand it and ram it through more and more fda officials are quitting because nobody is listening to their warnings and instead playing politics …

Even worse is this plan to use Pfizer as a booster for everyone even though studies on the safety of mix and matching vaccines are few and far between and even the inept WHO has advised against it when Canada started down that path

Don't forget about the 2nd and 3rd generation birth defects seen in rat populations post MRNA injections

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

One of the most vaccinated populations in the world, Israel...now leads the world in the # of cases per capita.

They have now set a record for the most COVID cases a day, surpassing their highest day of cases last year.
Deaths have increased 125% year over year comparing Aug 30 2020 to Aug 30 2021





"But the vaccines work!"

Most Israelis have had the Pfizer jab.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is hysterical . LMAO

 

[Superman]

No, Tim. If nothing else, you perpetuated the spread of the virus. That’s bad. No two ways about it. And…

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

the way you did this ...



you admit that you went to Key West, FL with family in tow. Masked up or not, doesnt make a difference.
reports are now showing and its universally agreed, that even those "fully vaccinated" can still spread the virus.

so somehow you're placing blame on Tim for being a spreader, while somehow absolving yourself of spreading the virus.

damn

 

[Steelworth]

Don't forget about the 2nd and 3rd generation birth defects seen in rat populations post MRNA injections

That type of talk is frowned upon here.

 

[Steelworth]

This is exactly right. They aren't having 'Covid parties', but many people believe they can readily recover from an infection should they get it. And once recovered, studies have shown they will possess a more enduring immunity than the vaccines are providing. So they are passing on the vaccines, taking reasonable precautions, and living their lives. They should be left the **** alone.

For some, I'm sure that being forced to put something into your body against your will or risk losing your ability to provide for yourself, or participate in society is pretty traumatic. Its akin to rape. Just vaccinate yourself and leave them alone. If the vaccine works as well as you believe it does, you should be fine.

I just wanted to quote this post to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed. Bravo, sir.

 

[Steelworth]

No, Tim. If nothing else, you perpetuated the spread of the virus.

You perpetuate the spread of another virus. And it's more detrimental to your overall health.

 

[Steelworth]

I still find it funny that @Troglodyte and @Tibs refuse to touch your posts with a 10 foot pole.

It's not surprising though. They're both freeloading trolls with one purpose in mind and Mad doesn't fit into that little equation.

You notice that Tibs really only posts **** memes or comments he finds on the internet while Flogged mainly just argues with you?

 

[Troglodyte]

Just a koinkydink I'm sure.

Perhaps like the coincidence that the low vaccinated states got hit early and the high vaccinated states still haven’t caught up?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Perhaps like the coincidence that the low vaccinated states got hit early and the high vaccinated states still haven’t caught up?

Yes, I too love coincidences!

Like how as mask mandates increased, cases rose and fell identically to areas that had no mask mandates.
Like how as the vaccines' efficacies wane, cases/hospitalizations/deaths among the vaccinated rise.
Like the coincidence of us talking about guns and simultaneously you needing to feel included and told us you shot a semi-auto 30-30?

 

[Steelworth]

Perhaps like the coincidence that the low vaccinated states got hit early and the high vaccinated states still haven’t caught up?

Don't get caught in this zone, you may never escape.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The blind leading the blind. They wonder why there's no trust.

FDA resignations over White House booster shot guidance a 'mess for administration'

Reports that Food and Drug Administration officials plan to step down over the White House’s COVID-19 booster shot guidance have created a “mess” for the Biden administration, according to Dr. Mark Siegel.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Meanwhile, as to the spread of Delta. The Delta wave hit hardest and earliest in the lower mid-south. How are they faring? Change in Daily Cases the Past 7 days:

Louisiana -45%
Florida -12%
Mississippi -11%
Arkansas -11%
Missouri -1%
Texas +1%
Georgia +2%

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How are the highly vaccinated states doing? The following are the highest vaccinated states in the Union, in rank order from most vaccinated down with their Change in Daily Cases the past 7 days:

1. Vermont +23%
2. Connecticut +1%
3. Massachusetts +16%
4. Maine +55%
5. Rhode Island +7%
6. New Jersey +5%
7. Maryland +13%
8. New York +9%
9. Washington +9%
10. New Mexico +3%
11. New Hampshire +9%
12. Oregon +4%
13. Virginia +16%
14. D.C. +12%
15. Colorado +14%
16. California +13%
17. Minnesota +5%
18. Delaware +34%
19. Hawaii +27%
20. Pennsylvania +28%

AVERAGE among the 20 best vaccinated states is a 15.2% increase in cases overall

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And the 20 worst vaccinated states (in rank order from worst on up):

1. Mississippi -11%
2. Alabama +22%
3. Wyoming +27%
4. Idaho +43%
5. West Virginia +40%
6. Louisiana -45%
7. North Dakota +34%
8. Georgia +2%
9. Arkansas -11%
10. Tennessee +15%
11. South Carolina +25%
12. Oklahoma +7%
13. Missouri -1%
14. Montana +30%
15. Indiana +15%
16. North Carolina +11%
17. Alaska +10%
18. Texas +1%
19. Utah +14%
20. Nevada +2%

AVERAGE among the 20 worst vaccinated states is an 11.5% increase in cases overall

There's a lot more sway in the last group....because many of the states are seeing a huge drop in their 7 day case loads which counter-balance the rise in some of the other states. Regardless...based on 7 day case average, right the moment, the average increase in the 20 most vaccinated states is 15.2% compared to 11.5% in the 20 worst.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Isn't this interesting? Breakthrough Covid infections reach 40% of the cases in Massachusetts

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...dents-have-tested-positive-for-covid/2481272/

Nearly 20,000 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have now tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 130 of them have died, according to the latest state data on breakthrough cases

Then they say:

The breakthrough cases represent just a small percentage -- about 0.43% -- of the more than 4.5 million people who have been vaccinated and the deaths an even smaller percentage -- just 0.003%

Who calculates data that way? They take ALL of those vaccinated, then say just 0.43% are people who've been vaccinated. How about you take all of the CASES identified. and compare that to those vaxed v unvaxed? They do the same with deaths. On the one hand, nearly every media outlet in the country tells you how deadly Covid is by dividing deaths by the # of identified cases. But here, this outlet divides deaths by the total population of those vaccinated. Intentionally done to make the #s look smaller.

In the last week alone, 3,074 new breakthrough cases -- infections in people who have been vaccinated -- have been reported. Health officials said 651 of the new breakthrough cases resulted in hospitalization. Breakthrough infections again accounted for about 40% of all cases reported in Massachusetts last week.

Now wait a damned minute. Just months ago everyone was screaming breakthrough infections were incredibly rare, like less than a %. This entire state has 40% breakthrough cases now a week?

The number of new breakthrough cases announced each Tuesday has climbed each week since DPH announced the initial batch of 7,737 breakthrough infections on July 31.

And breakthrough infections are growing? No way.

Experts also told the Globe the increase in breakthrough cases is attributable to diminishing immunity from the COVID-19 vaccines

8 months in, the vaccines are running out of gas.

 

[madinsomniac]

Isn't this interesting? Breakthrough Covid infections reach 40% of the cases in Massachusetts

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...dents-have-tested-positive-for-covid/2481272/



Then they say:



Who calculates data that way? They take ALL of those vaccinated, then say just 0.43% are people who've been vaccinated. How about you take all of the CASES identified. and compare that to those vaxed v unvaxed? They do the same with deaths. On the one hand, nearly every media outlet in the country tells you how deadly Covid is by dividing deaths by the # of identified cases. But here, this outlet divides deaths by the total population of those vaccinated. Intentionally done to make the #s look smaller.



Now wait a damned minute. Just months ago everyone was screaming breakthrough infections were incredibly rare, like less than a %. This entire state has 40% breakthrough cases now a week?



And breakthrough infections are growing? No way.



8 months in, the vaccines are running out of gas.

Part of this is that for a long period of time the vaccinated were not tested

for instance my companies policy was if you got the vax and told your boss, you got a hundred dollar bonus, didn’t have to wear a mask, and didn’t have to get a negative test if you were exposed to return to work. Unvaccinated had to do all of that. They had a casualty in one of the regions, then put everything back as it was and suddenly the cases started climbing again… not because wearing masks spreads tge virus or anything.. just because they were excluding over half the employees from testing, and once they started testing everyone exposed tgey found a bunch of cases… cases that had been walking around spreading it because they thought it was airtight and tgey were safe

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Part of this is that for a long period of time the vaccinated were not tested

for instance my companies policy was if you got the vax and told your boss, you got a hundred dollar bonus, didn’t have to wear a mask, and didn’t have to get a negative test if you were exposed to return to work. Unvaccinated had to do all of that. They had a casualty in one of the regions, then put everything back as it was and suddenly the cases started climbing again… not because wearing masks spreads tge virus or anything.. just because they were excluding over half the employees from testing, and once they started testing everyone exposed tgey found a bunch of cases… cases that had been walking around spreading it because they thought it was airtight and tgey were safe

Great point I hadn't considered. You're right. For months, if you were vaccinated, no one was testing you.

Now that the CDC has admitted the vaccinated carry cases, AND we are seeing LOTS of cases among the vaccinated (the whole breakthrough cases phrase needs to be tossed in the can), vaccinated people are being tested again and bam. Hmmm. Odd that right?

 

[Stoney]

So the study that suggests that natural immunity, associated with previous Covid infection has been shown to last about 19 months.

Covid has only been with us for about 19 months. You do the math.

 

[Confluence]

Part of this is that for a long period of time the vaccinated were not tested

for instance my companies policy was if you got the vax and told your boss, you got a hundred dollar bonus, didn’t have to wear a mask, and didn’t have to get a negative test if you were exposed to return to work. Unvaccinated had to do all of that. They had a casualty in one of the regions, then put everything back as it was and suddenly the cases started climbing again… not because wearing masks spreads tge virus or anything.. just because they were excluding over half the employees from testing, and once they started testing everyone exposed tgey found a bunch of cases… cases that had been walking around spreading it because they thought it was airtight and tgey were safe

Are you saying that folks relied on the Covid flu shot and were let down by its efficacy?

 

[Troglodyte]

The amount of stupid that comes out of your mouth.

How have I perpetuated the spread of COVID any more than someone vaccinated with a vaccine that may have only 39% effectiveness against spread? My family's protected. Better protected than you

With all of the data of late on vaccinated people getting COVID and spreading it, one would think your eyes would be open. I mean, we learned from the Israel study that people with the vaccine are over 13 times more likely to contract/spread Delta than the naturally immune.

Facts **** your argument.

Regarding the CDC Kentucky study. They tested "hundreds" of patients. The Israel study, mentioned above, "was described by Bloomberg as “the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity – gained from an earlier infection – to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use.” The paper also shows that offering previously infected people one dose slightly reduced their infection risk.






The largest real world study v a Kentucky study on hundreds of people. Yeah. No.

I can post dozens of studies to each you find trying to counter this. The evidence is real.

Then For every 100 of “you” there is only 61 of them.

Meanwhile, as to the spread of Delta. The Delta wave hit hardest and earliest in the lower mid-south. How are they faring? Change in Daily Cases the Past 7 days:

Louisiana -45%
Florida -12%
Mississippi -11%
Arkansas -11%
Missouri -1%
Texas +1%
Georgia +2%

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How are the highly vaccinated states doing? The following are the highest vaccinated states in the Union, in rank order from most vaccinated down with their Change in Daily Cases the past 7 days:

1. Vermont +23%
2. Connecticut +1%
3. Massachusetts +16%
4. Maine +55%
5. Rhode Island +7%
6. New Jersey +5%
7. Maryland +13%
8. New York +9%
9. Washington +9%
10. New Mexico +3%
11. New Hampshire +9%
12. Oregon +4%
13. Virginia +16%
14. D.C. +12%
15. Colorado +14%
16. California +13%
17. Minnesota +5%
18. Delaware +34%
19. Hawaii +27%
20. Pennsylvania +28%

AVERAGE among the 20 best vaccinated states is a 15.2% increase in cases overall

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And the 20 worst vaccinated states (in rank order from worst on up):

1. Mississippi -11%
2. Alabama +22%
3. Wyoming +27%
4. Idaho +43%
5. West Virginia +40%
6. Louisiana -45%
7. North Dakota +34%
8. Georgia +2%
9. Arkansas -11%
10. Tennessee +15%
11. South Carolina +25%
12. Oklahoma +7%
13. Missouri -1%
14. Montana +30%
15. Indiana +15%
16. North Carolina +11%
17. Alaska +10%
18. Texas +1%
19. Utah +14%
20. Nevada +2%

AVERAGE among the 20 worst vaccinated states is an 11.5% increase in cases overall

There's a lot more sway in the last group....because many of the states are seeing a huge drop in their 7 day case loads which counter-balance the rise in some of the other states. Regardless...based on 7 day case average, right the moment, the average increase in the 20 most vaccinated states is 15.2% compared to 11.5% in the 20 worst.

And despite Louisiana’s 45% decline and Maine’s 55% increase, Louisiana still has more 7 day avg. cases per 100k: 55 to 51.

It should be noted that Louisiana implemented a temporary statewide indoor mask mandate on August 2nd.

 

[Superman]

Son shares warning for immunocompromised, after fully vaccinated father dies from COVID-19

A Bay Area man says his dad died from COVID-19, despite him being fully vaccinated.

www.wfla.com

 

[madinsomniac]

So the study that suggests that natural immunity, associated with previous Covid infection has been shown to last about 19 months.

Covid has only been with us for about 19 months. You do the math.

Yeah the previous Covid-Sars had a natural immunity that lasted over 17 years

both the pro and the anti vaccine group are heavily relying on observational data right now so many of the early conclusions formed about things were biased by outliers…

yes there are going to always be a percentage of people who won’t have immune systems capable of fighting off reinfection at all, vaccines or no vaccines, and others that will never see symptoms or in some cases be contagious at all even with their first infection because of how their system responds…

However we are now seeing dozens of immunity studies saying that the natural immunity lasts as long as the study has taken place

the early papers written about it only lasting two to three months was based on a handful of outliers… it’s obviously not that ineffective….

the biotech vaccines don’t create the same types of antibodies so their effectiveness both against variants and the lengths they work are completely different from the natural type or the vaccines based on the actual inactive virus…

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

And despite Louisiana’s 45% decline and Maine’s 55% increase, Louisiana still has more 7 day avg. cases per 100k: 55 to 51.

It should be noted that Louisiana implemented a temporary statewide indoor mask mandate on August 2nd.

Cases....are....dropping. The trend Floggy. Open eyes. Cases are rising in the states you said were doing every damned ******* thing right. Cases are dropping in the ruby red redneck middle southern states you so fondly loved to point your rainbow finger at.

And that trend has been going on for longer than a week...as I pointed out over a week ago.

And right now, the top 20 vaccinated states...tsk tsk tsk eh? Massachusetts is killing it huh? Notice you had no coments.

Almost daily now the news everywhere continues to report "Rise in breakthrough cases, Drop in vaccine efficacy".

Keep believing these are magic shots Flogged. Keep your head in the sand.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Son shares warning for immunocompromised, after fully vaccinated father dies from COVID-19

A Bay Area man says his dad died from COVID-19, despite him being fully vaccinated.

www.wfla.com

Per the article..."but, but, but...if he had just had the booster shot...."

2023: "but, but, but...if he had just had his 12 booster shot..."