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DAY 2 LIVE UP TO THE MINUTE DRAFT THREAD
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I think every pick made sense. Herbig might end up inside we'll see.
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I really like our draft this year. It's a good B+ on paper and has a good chance of developing into an A if the coaching staff follows through and doesn't try to fit square pegs into round holes.
The big question mark to me is picking physical press-man cornerbacks if we continue to play tampa-2 off coverage. I know the 7th rounder is a throw-away. And he will mostly play special teams and might try multiple positions in the secondary, but Joey Porter is not the best fit for off-man boundery zone guy. It will just be interesting to me given that Porter excels at knocking people off their routes if we don't at least TRY that in some matchups.
I would love for us to be a bit more aggressive along the LOS at times. Or at least mix it into to our defensive playbook to throw things off a bit.
You do see some very similar trait characteristics moving from Colbert to Kahn however. High motor OLB's. CB's that can tackle. Not afraid of tweener DB's that are geared towards special teams and have position versatility in the secondary.
I mean, if you really want to drink the koolaid and look at the glass half-full upside to this draft, it could be really, really good.
1. Jones becomes an immediate starter, pushing everyone down the pecking order and the whole OL unit takes a huge step forward.
2. Porter flashes and becomes an outside starter and give the coaching staff flexibility to try press coverage more often.
3. Benton is a solid rotational DT and continues to get snaps and provide depth
3. Washington stays healthy and becomes a monster in-line blocker in 2 TE sets and greatly improves the run game and short yardage
4. Herbig is a high energy 3rd-down specialist and special teams monster
All of that probably won't happen perfectly, but it's fun to be optimistic.
The big question mark to me is picking physical press-man cornerbacks if we continue to play tampa-2 off coverage. I know the 7th rounder is a throw-away. And he will mostly play special teams and might try multiple positions in the secondary, but Joey Porter is not the best fit for off-man boundery zone guy. It will just be interesting to me given that Porter excels at knocking people off their routes if we don't at least TRY that in some matchups.
I would love for us to be a bit more aggressive along the LOS at times. Or at least mix it into to our defensive playbook to throw things off a bit.
You do see some very similar trait characteristics moving from Colbert to Kahn however. High motor OLB's. CB's that can tackle. Not afraid of tweener DB's that are geared towards special teams and have position versatility in the secondary.
I mean, if you really want to drink the koolaid and look at the glass half-full upside to this draft, it could be really, really good.
1. Jones becomes an immediate starter, pushing everyone down the pecking order and the whole OL unit takes a huge step forward.
2. Porter flashes and becomes an outside starter and give the coaching staff flexibility to try press coverage more often.
3. Benton is a solid rotational DT and continues to get snaps and provide depth
3. Washington stays healthy and becomes a monster in-line blocker in 2 TE sets and greatly improves the run game and short yardage
4. Herbig is a high energy 3rd-down specialist and special teams monster
All of that probably won't happen perfectly, but it's fun to be optimistic.
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Gets an A+ from me for free agency and the draft. I fully expect them to be seriously competing for a championship within 2 years.
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Baltimore
Zay Flowers, WR
Trenton Simpson, LB
Tavius Robinson, OLB
Kyu Blu Kelly, CB
Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu, OT
Andrew Vorhees, OG
Not a bad draft, but not great either. Flowers is good, I don't think his value will be maximized in Baltimore. Simpson has some great traits, but his weaknesses are glaring. Vorhees is good value late, probably will never live up to his talent.
Cincinnati
Myles Murphy, DE
DJ Turner, CB
Jordan Battle, S
Charlie Jones, WR
Chase Brown, RB
Andrei Iosivas, WR
Brad Robbins, P
DJ Ivey, CB
This is a pretty good draft. Early contributors with the first four picks. You can never argue adding pass rushers and Turner can fly. Jones is potentially a sneaky good receiver and return man.
Cleveland
Cedric Tillman, WR
Siaki Ika, DT
Dawand Jones, OT
Isaiah McGuire, DE
Dorian Thompson-Robinson, QB
Cameron Mitchell, CB
Luke Wypler, C
The Browns did well without any high picks. They picked up falling talent, though the upside on the players is limited. Ika and Jones will probably underachieve because of their size.
Zay Flowers, WR
Trenton Simpson, LB
Tavius Robinson, OLB
Kyu Blu Kelly, CB
Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu, OT
Andrew Vorhees, OG
Not a bad draft, but not great either. Flowers is good, I don't think his value will be maximized in Baltimore. Simpson has some great traits, but his weaknesses are glaring. Vorhees is good value late, probably will never live up to his talent.
Cincinnati
Myles Murphy, DE
DJ Turner, CB
Jordan Battle, S
Charlie Jones, WR
Chase Brown, RB
Andrei Iosivas, WR
Brad Robbins, P
DJ Ivey, CB
This is a pretty good draft. Early contributors with the first four picks. You can never argue adding pass rushers and Turner can fly. Jones is potentially a sneaky good receiver and return man.
Cleveland
Cedric Tillman, WR
Siaki Ika, DT
Dawand Jones, OT
Isaiah McGuire, DE
Dorian Thompson-Robinson, QB
Cameron Mitchell, CB
Luke Wypler, C
The Browns did well without any high picks. They picked up falling talent, though the upside on the players is limited. Ika and Jones will probably underachieve because of their size.
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I dunno two of the clowns picks come with weight concerns.Tillman for me is ok but doesn't scream star. I realize they were without high picks but i think their draft will be in the end easily forgettable.
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Great crystal ball that you have there but what says that Jones and Porter are going to be immediate starters? I'd temper that enthusiasm. It is likely that they will eventually start but they are going to have to earn it. Maybe by next year. This year they will put out those on the field that have experience and know what they are doing. A bit of a learning curve is required and they are facing former NFL starting talent which has a understanding of professional concepts and a knowledge of how their teamates work together in a pro system. Miles to go yet. The future does admittedly look bright but it is not yet guaranteed.
Not so sure. The Steelers tackle tandem has been less than inspiring. Broderick has the pass blocking capable that Moore struggles with and run blocking capable Chukes struggles with. Secondary is filled with number 2 type corners. We don't know what Peezy Jr. will be yet but the opportunity will be there for the taking.
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Dan Moore and Kendrick Green, who were flat out bad as rookies, both started as rookies. There is no reason Jones should be on the bench. When it comes to Porter, Teryl Austin flat out said there would be no redshirt for him, meaning he's going to play. I'm not putting any of these guys in the Hall of Fame or even saying they'll be good, just that they'll be on the field early and often.
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Agree with slash and SF448 that the rookies play. Look at the last several first round picks - Pickett, Najee, Bush, Edmunds, Watt. They ALL played rookie season - a lot.
With the way the salary cap is set up, you almost have to see what the rookies have "when the bullets start flying".
You basically have 3 -4 years to determine if you're picking up the 5th year option on your first round picks and only 3 years to determine if you're offering a second contract to guys drafted after the first.
Jones and Porter will compete for starting positions this year. And remember, just because it's a competition, doesn't mean it's an "even" competition.
You basically have 3 -4 years to determine if you're picking up the 5th year option on your first round picks and only 3 years to determine if you're offering a second contract to guys drafted after the first.
Jones and Porter will compete for starting positions this year. And remember, just because it's a competition, doesn't mean it's an "even" competition.
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I think JPJ will likely be a Day 1 starter. Jones I'd say is 50-50. It would be no small feat for a 22 year old to start immediately at LT. I think at some point he will be starting this season.
As far as press corners go, Tomlin and I believe Kahn said they wanted press corners. Maybe that's the direction they have been looking to go or are looking to go. If so, they got a good one in JPJ and Trice could be a diamond. He was still dealing with an injury most of this past year as he was wearing a brace most of the year. He should be back to near 100% now. He's big, athletic, and can play both CB and S. You never know. I think he can stick this year as a ST's guy as well. Overall, this was a very good draft with the picks they had.
I think in some cases it starts uneven until good play by the prospect and/or bad play by the vet dictates change. Things don't need to be equal, if that rookie wants a start earn it.
I can't wait to see this guy....Only downside is his name doesn't lend itself to a crowd chant like Heath and Muth did lol. He might end up being a better run blocker than Heath was.
Yeah Trice is a CB, I keep seeing ppl saying move him back to S, but he originally was a S until they realized how athletically gifted he was, so moved him into being a press CB. Usually the only reason a CB gets moved to safety is because they don't have the speed or COD ability to play CB. Trice does, he ran a 4.47, had a 35in vert, 11'0 broad, and did 17 reps on the bench. His pro day showed he has elite COD too:
I'm intrigued by him. He was supposed to be a day 2 guy and we got him in the 7th. If we have the right coaches helping him, he could make huge leaps going into years 2 and 3.
He was absolutely one of the top guys on my board since day 2, I was shocked he was there still all through day 3, and I was surprised we took him because I wasn't sure they would take another big long press corner but I'm guessing like others he was simply the best guy on their board for several rounds and couldn't pass up that kind of value and potential
As the secondary coach also pointed out that many of corners get on their man then per snap back up. They don't have to coach him up in that aspect as he doesn't retreat. He engages his man.
Yeah press corner is his strength he will live or die there. We know you can never have enough corners that are capable of man coverage on a team that plays a good amount of it..
Instead of every first round pick getting a fifth year option, in the next CBA rewrite they should make it one fifth year option per team per year like the franchise tag… but it should escalate as it goes lower in the rounds to compensate underpaid low round picks that end up stars…
Next year the only two CBs we would have had under contract were Patrick Peterson, who is going to be 34 years old, Tre Norwood, who isn’t an outside CB, and JPjr might be ready to start, but he is absolutely not a sure thing… so a second CB is a smart grab
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