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Deflate-gate......God I hate the Pats!!!!

So assuming what you claim is correct...somehow the Colts balls were not affected? 12 for 12.

Because obviously it was all a diabolical scheme by the Colts who properly kept their balls inflated to stay within the rules, those crazy sons a *******!
 
It wasn't even that cold during the game, everyone makes it sound like it was -10, they cheated, got caught and are now acting like a teenager that was busted drinking. They are talking way more than they should be.
 
You know the worst part in all this... I think this scandal may actually end up benefiting the Patriots when it's all said and done.... Every team loves to get that "us against the world" thing going before big games. Even if it's complete bullshit, that narrative always seems to be the one that lights a fire under players' ***** the most.... In this case, however, it's pretty much true. Everyone outside of the Patriot fanbase is hoping to see the cheaters get their hats handed to them in this Super Bowl. Brady has always played with a chip on his shoulder and I think this is only going to motivate him even more. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots end up smoking the Seahawks.
 
How does the "rog" hanging with crafty kraft show fairness in judgement /punishment calls, against the cheatriots? If "rog" were to go to every game, a different owner / gm, then that would be exceptable. But why the fluck, always with kraft? Are they in love, share wives, gay, or in the same line of deceipt? Why wouldn't some owners bring this same question up? Maybe they have, or haven't, but to the public eye, it does look suspicious. "BURN" the tapes, slap on the wrist, couple that in with the saint's bounty gait punishment, what do you have. TOTAL unfairness. Now add in MORE alligations of cheating, proof of cheating, and WhoaLa a scandle is born. These flucking cheaters and their darth cheatvader need a spanking. I'd say spank tommy boy on the bare butt, but he'd probably like it, belt and all. Did I mention the cheatriots suck dead burro @ss? Well there yaz go, pats*** are total losers and brady / billy / are the best of the worst to ever play the cheating role. Fluck the ones who cheat.




Salute the nation
 
It wasn't even that cold during the game, everyone makes it sound like it was -10, they cheated, got caught and are now acting like a teenager that was busted drinking. They are talking way more than they should be.

Exactly, kickoff was like 52 degrees. The only issue with the weather was the rain. If the league thought there was nothing to it or that the Colts were full of crap then why would they even bother with testing the balls and then reinflating the Pat ones? Especially after the year they have had and with the SB around the corner?
 
You know the worst part in all this... I think this scandal may actually end up benefiting the Patriots when it's all said and done.... Every team loves to get that "us against the world" thing going before big games. Even if it's complete bullshit, that narrative always seems to be the one that lights a fire under players' ***** the most.... In this case, however, it's pretty much true. Everyone outside of the Patriot fanbase is hoping to see the cheaters get their hats handed to them in this Super Bowl. Brady has always played with a chip on his shoulder and I think this is only going to motivate him even more. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots end up smoking the Seahawks.

Bill made a comment in his presser how they are the best team. Seattle still has plenty of motivation, and a the best defense the Pats will have faced this year IMO.
 
i learned a lesson about science guys
 
So assuming what you claim is correct...somehow the Colts balls were not affected? 12 for 12.

He is saying that the *'s inflated their footballs with heated air. This could cause the balls to seem deflated when the temp gets to the stadium temp. If the Colts did not inflate theirs with heated air, theirs would be significantly less affected. while I understand his point and that it is a possible explanation, I don't buy it as probable.

Mainly, because it wasn't immediately offered as an explanation and too much bullshit has been spewed forth. Also, because the *'s have a history and pattern of cheating. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and weighs the same as a duck, it ain't a witch.

I don't know how any steelers fan could NOT hate the *'s.
 
I have to say that the actual press conference was MUCH funnier than this.

I lafffed at both. ol I am not a Science guy but this is what I learned Bill, and SNL with the Tom Cruise/ JAck skit...hilarious !
 
What this is turning into is a witch hunt and you guys are waving the pitch forks.

A scientific experiment PROVES it's more likely the Colts did something to their balls to keep them inflated than the Patriots did, but sure, because of SpyGate everyone is on the cheater bandwagon. Ignore the facts. Ignore science.

You guys are pathetic.

No del.

A scientific experiment would involve recreating conditions and trying to recreate results. You did a thought experiment, and is was incomplete. You got part of an answer, but demonstrated a lack of context. The context was that all 12 Colt balls were normal, and that 11 of 12 *Pats balls were not.

You mean ignore "my thought experiment", even if it was shown incomplete/wrong
 
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No del.

A scientific experiment would involve recreating conditions and trying to recreate results. You did a thought experiment, and is was incomplete. You got part of an answer, but demonstrated a lack of context. The context was that all 12 Colt balls were normal, and that 11 of 12 *Pats balls were not.

You mean ignore "my thought experiment", even if it was shown incomplete/wrong

And I've said already it's more suspicious to me that the Colts balls were still above 12.5 than the Patriots were below 12.5.

That doesn't make any sense unless the Colts equipment guys 1) inflated the balls pregame much close to 13.5 than 12.5 and 2) possibly kept the balls warmer or more dry than allowed.

To me that's the only scientific explanation.

There is no test to run because the balls the Patriots provided the refs are DIFFERENT than the balls the Colts provided the referees. We know that for fact but we will never know HOW they were different. It sounds like to me the inspection process by the refs is not recorded.

All I know is some scientists (with a pretty good background in sports science and concussion analysis) did a test with 12 NFL footballs out of the box, pumped them up to 12.5 psi in a 75 degree room, got the balls wet, took them to a 50 degree room, waited a couple hours during the process and re-measure the psi as (coincidentally) 1.75 to 1.95 psi lower.

No one hear really even explained this too me. Do you think these scientist have another agenda? Do you think they are Patriots fans? Really? I give you PROOF that temperature and moisture can GREATLY impact the pressure in a football and you guys all ignore it. Because you've ALL MADE UP YOUR MINDS the minute you heard Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, the Patriots and Cheating in the same sentence. And don't tell me you didn't.

You're all biased. Which is why your "opinion" doesn't really mean all the much. I've seen the way you talk about the Patriots prior to this. You're all biased. You're all in the guilty until proven innocent group. And you fully admit not putting any scientific or non-biased analysis into your conclusions.

That's fine. But I'm not going to sit hear and just accept it as fact. The more I read about air pressure in footballs, the more RESEARCH I do, the more it's entirely plausible that air pressure in footballs often, if not always, goes below 12.5 psi on cold, wet days like the Patriots played in. And it's more fishy to me to try and understand why the Colts' football somehow magically retained their pressure despite physics saying it's impossible.
 
Question for the scientists running the experiment. How would they explain the fact that the second set of 12 Patriots footballs used after the second half did not record a psi drop after 2 hours of being in the elements? I mean based upon their findings, with all things being equal, the balls used during the second half should have exhibited a similar drop in pressure. The NFL has stated that this did not occur. That's not Pats** bias. It's a legitimate question that remains unanswered by the scientific explanations.

Is it fishy that the Pats** balls used in the second half somehow retained pressure also? Because to me, there were 36 footballs in play and only 11 or 12 of the balls supplied by one team lost pressure. I'd be more inclined to wonder why that was.
 
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The Colts magically stayed regulation because prior to the gams someone didn't deflate their balls.

No worries we aren't going to sit here and accept yer far fetched apologist angles.

IT was stated that 11 of 12 balls were deflated by 2 pounds.
Brady said he couldn't tell the difference I bet your science experiment can't explain that one.

But yeah in life when people cheat over and over and over again, people tend to believe the worse.

Cheat has done enough to be banned for life prior to this incident.

Like a murder who gets away with a crime, if they get caught later on on something less, and still get life.

Well ******* good.
 
Pumping the balls in a 75 degree room, making them wet, then setting them in 50 degrees is not a valid experiment for these purposes. You MUST duplicate the variables. These footballs were probably kept as warm as possible till the last possible moment. A human touch will transfer heat. Holding the ball against your body as running backs do, will transfer heat. Though slight, it would be significant. It will slow the drop in temperature of the ball. When the balls are on the sideline, they are typically held by a ball boy...not just thrown in a pile. They wipe them down with towels as often as possible. All of this would have to be accounted for for an accurate experiment.
 
Occam's Razor - The simplest explanation is usually correct.

In this case, the simplest explanation when all the different variables are taken into account is that the footballs were deflated by a human being.
 
Hot air is expanded (similar to many on this board), as it cools, it shrinks. Pretty simple stuff. Even simpler, to NOT risk detection, just fill it normal. Then when no one is looking, deflate to tommy boy's specification. 11 out of twelve, saved one for kick offs........ Who kept tract of the one for kick off? Definately wasn't tommy boy as he could NOT tell the difference. These CHEATERS need squashed!!!!!



Salute the nation
 
Question for the scientists running the experiment. How would they explain the fact that the second set of 12 Patriots footballs used after the second half did not record a psi drop after 2 hours of being in the elements? I mean based upon their findings, with all things being equal, the balls used during the second half should have exhibited a similar drop in pressure. The NFL has stated that this did not occur. That's not Pats** bias. It's a legitimate question that remains unanswered by the scientific explanations.

Is it fishy that the Pats** balls used in the second half somehow retained pressure also? Because to me, there were 36 footballs in play and only 11 or 12 of the balls supplied by one team lost pressure. I'd be more inclined to wonder why that was.

This is the one Del nor anybody else defending the pats** can answer. IF Del's scientist buddies were correct then all the balls at the end of the game should be ~2 lbs psi less. But they weren't they were fine. So either the people doing the experiment did it wrong OR the laws of physics were suspended during the 2nd half of the pats** game. hmmmm I think I'll go with the scientist not getting the experiment right.
 
This is the one Del nor anybody else defending the pats** can answer. IF Del's scientist buddies were correct then all the balls at the end of the game should be ~2 lbs psi less. But they weren't they were fine. So either the people doing the experiment did it wrong OR the laws of physics were suspended during the 2nd half of the pats** game. hmmmm I think I'll go with the scientist not getting the experiment right.
Unless Hoodie was keeping the visitors locker room at Gillette Stadium 20* colder. Which might not be a surprise.
 
if you inflate a ball at room temp and leave it outside in frigid conditions overnight there is a substantial loss of air pressure, but a few hours isn't going to make a difference... the balls outer shell has to chill first, then the air inside all has to chill... it takes serious time, and I highly doubt all of those balls were going to have the exact same deflation in such a small amount of time
 
If i were the Colts(after being tipped off), I would have several people in the stands filming the Faketriots balls every time they left the bag on the sidelines.

I would NOT be surprised if AFTER the NFL acts that such a video (already in existence) suddenly appears on TMZ just like the Ray Rice deal which will further damage Roger's cred.
 
if you pump air into a ball that is 65 degrees and it is 30 out, there will be a drop in air pressure over time, but I find it really improbable that in the 2 or 3 hours or so from the start of the game when they were measured until halftime that there was an over 15% unilateral drop in pressure on one team's balls and not the other's. like I said earlier, air doesn't instantly cool, and the leather shell would act as an insulator... I know rubber kickballs deflate faster then basketballs in the cold, and that's left out in the yard on the ground stuff, not constantly in motion.
 
I guess the Colts were just more excited than the Pats. When I get excited and handle my balls more, they tend to get hot...
 
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