Does the Emperor have New Clothes? The Media's Mike Tomlin Lie

[Gildong Sack]

Flame me if you want, but this is an interesting video. I have not been a Tomlin fan for a long time, that changed though when he brought in Fields and Russ. I could see he wasn't settling for the same ol same ol with Kenny Pickett leading the way. Many of the points we have all brought up here(pro and con) about Tomlin are in this video, but the playoff stats and the coaching tree angle paint a really vivid picture. Love him or hate him this video has some legit points.

 

[mightyguru]

Flame me if you want, but this is an interesting video. I have not been a Tomlin fan for a long time, that changed though when he brought in Fields and Russ. I could see he wasn't settling for the same ol same ol with Kenny Pickett leading the way. Many of the points we have all brought up here(pro and con) about Tomlin are in this video, but the playoff stats and the coaching tree angle paint a really vivid picture. Love him or hate him this video has some legit points.

**** that dude.

 

[Gildong Sack]

**** that dude.

Ok

 

[slashsteel]

Flame me if you want, but this is an interesting video. I have not been a Tomlin fan for a long time, that changed though when he brought in Fields and Russ. I could see he wasn't settling for the same ol same ol with Kenny Pickett leading the way. Many of the points we have all brought up here(pro and con) about Tomlin are in this video, but the playoff stats and the coaching tree angle paint a really vivid picture. Love him or hate him this video has some legit points.

Basically regurgitated what many have said here over a long period of time.

The only thing I have against him is his deficiencies that lead to a lack of playoff success. Hopefully some of that has been corrected with Smith’s hire.

We shall see.

 

[Stewey]

As the title suggests, and to further stress upon what Gil said, this is NOT a Tomlin worship video.

He touches on every issue discussed here along with several others not brought up…. I.e.Tomlin is third to last in challenge call success.
This very well done and researched video caused me to have a different attitude.


The narrator sums it up at the end…

“I’m not suggesting he is the worst coach of all time, I’m stating the distance in the way he’s perceived, paid, and discussed is more warped from reality than any other coach.”

 

[Drink IRON City]

It’s a good watch video, regardless of PRO or CON of your Tomlin perception. I’ve felt all along that he has done the least, with the most. He has had arguably the most talented stocked teams with the least amount of results. Regular season has become his Super Bowl, Playoffs not so much.

He has had a franchise 1st ballot HOF Quarter Back for the beginning and throughout the most of his career. That fact alone is as big a reason for the coveted “non-losing season” award.

Bottom line is YES, more likely than not, he would be hired up in 5 minutes of being released. He has NOT won a PO game in 7 years. His stubbornness / control is insurmountable to the point of hiring top assistants appear to be out of range. There are so many things he doesn’t do very good and makes one scratch their heads in keeping him. The only thing is the STEELERS NATION is so ingrained that fan $ $ $ $ never wands, so ownership sleeps away the seasons.

A solid “B” grade, but there can be better. His program has gotten stale and can only be changed with change.

I obviously am like many here, we have him indefinitely and will continue to support our beloved STEELERS.


Salute the nation

 

[BLITZ]

Hope he wins a Super Bowl before he exits . But I am in the group that thinks his time here should be done. Over time messages get old. His message is old.
At his press conferences after a win or loss, a normal fan like me can pretty much guess what he is going to say. imagine the players that are with him every day, listening to the same thing year in year out. it gets stale

 

[diver]

The playoff stats are a completely valid criticism of Mike Tomlin. But damn, do I hate the coaching tree argument. I think people use it to sound smart. A few things with that:

1) Let's say you have a good racehorse, and when the racing career is over, they put him out to stud. But he doesn't produce any offspring that are any good on the track. Does that take away from the fact that he was a good racehorse?

2) To me a tree doesn't mean much if it doesn't bare fruit or the branches die. So great, Belechick has had a tree. None of them have done anything, probably because they ain't Belechick, but they want to be like him. They don't have the credibility. Noll didn't really have a tree. Shula didn't. Lombardi didn't. Coaching trees really only started to be talked about, as I recall, because of one of the biggest self promoters in coaching liked to talk about how great he was. Bill Walsh.

3) Using the Bill Walsh tree as an example, should a tree even be something we aspire Tomlin to have? Do you think when the Packers got good in the 90s and started to beat the 49ers, the 49ers consoled themselves by saying, "Well, at least we lost to Holmgren, he's is part of Walsh's tree!" I wonder if that would have made them feel better.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

It’s a good watch video, regardless of PRO or CON of your Tomlin perception. I’ve felt all along that he has done the least, with the most. He has had arguably the most talented stocked teams with the least amount of results. Regular season has become his Super Bowl, Playoffs not so much.

He has had a franchise 1st ballot HOF Quarter Back for the beginning and throughout the most of his career. That fact alone is as big a reason for the coveted “non-losing season” award.

Bottom line is YES, more likely than not, he would be hired up in 5 minutes of being released. He has NOT won a PO game in 7 years. His stubbornness / control is insurmountable to the point of hiring top assistants appear to be out of range. There are so many things he doesn’t do very good and makes one scratch their heads in keeping him. The only thing is the STEELERS NATION is so ingrained that fan $ $ $ $ never wands, so ownership sleeps away the seasons.

A solid “B” grade, but there can be better. His program has gotten stale and can only be changed with change.

I obviously am like many here, we have him indefinitely and will continue to support our beloved STEELERS.


Salute the nation

A solid B grade for regular season
A solid D for the playoffs

Alas in SN success isn’t measured in the regular season, that’s for regular fans of regular teams
The greatest team measures success by Lombardis…obviously

 

[slashsteel]

The playoff stats are a completely valid criticism of Mike Tomlin. But damn, do I hate the coaching tree argument. I think people use it to sound smart. A few things with that:

1) Let's say you have a good racehorse, and when the racing career is over, they put him out to stud. But he doesn't produce any offspring that are any good on the track. Does that take away from the fact that he was a good racehorse?

2) To me a tree doesn't mean much if it doesn't bare fruit or the branches die. So great, Belechick has had a tree. None of them have done anything, probably because they ain't Belechick, but they want to be like him. They don't have the credibility. Noll didn't really have a tree. Shula didn't. Lombardi didn't. Coaching trees really only started to be talked about, as I recall, because of one of the biggest self promoters in coaching liked to talk about how great he was. Bill Walsh.

3) Using the Bill Walsh tree as an example, should a tree even be something we aspire Tomlin to have? Do you think when the Packers got good in the 90s and started to beat the 49ers, the 49ers consoled themselves by saying, "Well, at least we lost to Holmgren, he's is part of Walsh's tree!" I wonder if that would have made them feel better.

It is a significant add on because Tomlin hired Canada who simply wasn’t qualified. It was a bad decisional error that cost the team wins.

Your entire decision making process gets factored in when evaluating a coach. All your positives and all your negatives.

Who he hires should be factored in…

He put a limping horse at the gate and said go get ‘em.

 

[steelhurt]

It really perplexes me with this entire Tomlin saga, it really does.
Look, he’s no different than any other head coach in this league Of course he’s a minority coach if that even really is a thing anymore in the NFL, but who cares. He like any coach white,black whatever would be held to the same standards. It’s about winning in the regular season, winning in the playoffs, winning super bowls.
We all know that Tomlin has had success in season but flops in the playoffs when we make it. No one here gives a crap about the man’s race they just want to win playoff games and super bowls, period.
I think if anything fans just think his message has grown stale after 18 seasons but if he turns things around and wins a playoff game or two this season, that should change one’s opinion.
At least give pause for thought that perhaps the man’s message has not grown stale afterall.
We shall see as the season progresses and if we can actually win in the playoffs.

 

[diver]

It is a significant add on because Tomlin hired Canada who simply wasn’t qualified. It was a bad Jude error that cost the team wins.

Your entire decision making process gets factored in when evaluating a coach. All your positives and all your negatives.

Who he hires should be factored in…

He put a limping horse at the gate and said go get ‘em.

Oh, I agree about Canada. I am perplexed how he still has the job after that. It's a good point.

 

[paperclip]

obviously i have no insider info, but i seriously doubt Coach T press conference is the way he speaks and communicates his message to his players

press conference is a contractual obligation, it means nothing.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Wow, what a crazy off the wall never heard of take.

 

[BLITZ]

obviously i have no insider info, but i seriously doubt Coach T press conference is the way he speaks and communicates his message to his players

press conference is a contractual obligation, it means nothing.

Agree to an extent. Unless he is 1 way with his players when camaras are not rolling, he coach speaks to them just like he does at PCs.

mayb when no camaras are around, he is very different. We cant know that.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The playoff stats are a completely valid criticism of Mike Tomlin. But damn, do I hate the coaching tree argument. I think people use it to sound smart. A few things with that:

1) Let's say you have a good racehorse, and when the racing career is over, they put him out to stud. But he doesn't produce any offspring that are any good on the track. Does that take away from the fact that he was a good racehorse?

2) To me a tree doesn't mean much if it doesn't bare fruit or the branches die. So great, Belechick has had a tree. None of them have done anything, probably because they ain't Belechick, but they want to be like him. They don't have the credibility. Noll didn't really have a tree. Shula didn't. Lombardi didn't. Coaching trees really only started to be talked about, as I recall, because of one of the biggest self promoters in coaching liked to talk about how great he was. Bill Walsh.

3) Using the Bill Walsh tree as an example, should a tree even be something we aspire Tomlin to have? Do you think when the Packers got good in the 90s and started to beat the 49ers, the 49ers consoled themselves by saying, "Well, at least we lost to Holmgren, he's is part of Walsh's tree!" I wonder if that would have made them feel better.

I agree, I don't give a rat's *** about a "coaching tree".

 

[paperclip]

Agree to an extent. Unless he is 1 way with his players when camaras are not rolling, he coach speaks to them just like he does at PCs.

mayb when no camaras are around, he is very different. We cant know that.

i would think you're speaking in very detailed specifics to your team when you are a coach

to the press, you don't want to reveal the ingredients of the hotdog. lol

 

[BLITZ]

i would think you're speaking in very detailed specifics to your team when you are a coach

to the press, you don't want to reveal the ingredients of the hotdog. lol

I get that. but there are 1000 hours of training camps, practices etc of coach Tomlin talking the same **** to players, year in year out. who knows maybe it is a game he play with reporters during practices and all his players vare in on it. then when they are in private he really talks to them. maybe that is it

 

[Lloyd]

The playoff stats are a completely valid criticism of Mike Tomlin. But damn, do I hate the coaching tree argument. I think people use it to sound smart. A few things with that:

1) Let's say you have a good racehorse, and when the racing career is over, they put him out to stud. But he doesn't produce any offspring that are any good on the track. Does that take away from the fact that he was a good racehorse?

Completely horrid analogy. Horses don't teach each other how to race, it's completely invalid example.

 

[diver]

Completely horrid analogy. Horses don't teach each other how to race, it's completely invalid example.

The point with that is coaches are like horses. You either the ability to be a head coach or you don't. Teaching has nothing to do with it.

 

[Lloyd]

The point with that is coaches are like horses. You either the ability to be a head coach or you don't. Teaching has nothing to do with it.

There's a lot to be said on that. But coaches can and do learn schemes.

 

[Superman]

neither pro/con Tomlin, but know we could also have had worse coaches.
He's not the best, nor the worst. Players love him and that seems to help us at times (Queen). He still does some rather ignorant **** with his challenges and doesnt challenge when he should as a result.

His halftime adjustments (so far) this year have been excellent.

 

[BLITZ]

neither pro/con Tomlin, but know we could also have had worse coaches.
He's not the best, nor the worst. Players love him and that seems to help us at times (Queen). He still does some rather ignorant **** with his challenges and doesnt challenge when he should as a result.

His halftime adjustments (so far) this year have been excellent.

I just want Super Bowl wins. not sure he can provide that. I know you do as well.

 

[Superman]

I just want Super Bowl wins. not sure he can provide that. I know you do as well.

right - we all do. but, looking around the league there are only a few coaches who have won those. again, i'm neither for or against Tomlin...i just want a coach who is not only going to lead us to the promised land, but keep us there.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It’s a good watch video, regardless of PRO or CON of your Tomlin perception. I’ve felt all along that he has done the least, with the most. He has had arguably the most talented stocked teams with the least amount of results. Regular season has become his Super Bowl, Playoffs not so much.

He has had a franchise 1st ballot HOF Quarter Back for the beginning and throughout the most of his career. That fact alone is as big a reason for the coveted “non-losing season” award.

Bottom line is YES, more likely than not, he would be hired up in 5 minutes of being released. He has NOT won a PO game in 7 years. His stubbornness / control is insurmountable to the point of hiring top assistants appear to be out of range. There are so many things he doesn’t do very good and makes one scratch their heads in keeping him. The only thing is the STEELERS NATION is so ingrained that fan $ $ $ $ never wands, so ownership sleeps away the seasons.

A solid “B” grade, but there can be better. His program has gotten stale and can only be changed with change.

I obviously am like many here, we have him indefinitely and will continue to support our beloved STEELERS.

I don't think he's a bad coach, bad coaches don't go 17 years without a losing season. Helped greatly by Big Ben and having the Bengals and Browns in his division.
But I don't think he's a great coach. Great coaches don't go 13 years with 3 playoff wins and none in the last 7 years.
Somewhere there's a disconnect because you'd think someone with no losing seasons would have more playoff wins.