Does the Emperor have New Clothes? The Media's Mike Tomlin Lie

[BLITZ]

I thought the article was pretty much spot on. Tomlin isn't a bad coach or he'd have been replaced by now. He is mediocre - he doesn't win playoff games and I can't think of a single player that has gotten better under his tutelage so he doesn't develop players either. He's played Jones out of position and now he's a liability rather than an asset. Since ownership is satisfied with mediocrity he's got the perfect environment.

AB was a 6th round draft pick that ended up as the best WR in the NFL for years

 

[Drink IRON City]

I’d be ecstatic if the squirrel would gather a golden acorn from another oak tree every now and then. He doesn’t have to be the oak tree, just knowing the location of an oak tree would suffice.

Next thing you know, you’ll want the location of the Peyote Patch…………………..


Salute the nation

 

[madinsomniac]

We've all heard about Tomlin's Charlie Brown head coaching tree ad nauseum, but there was a detail pointed out in the video that I didn't know: Not a single assistant hired by Tomlin has gone on to even become a coordinator in the NFL? Has this been fact-checked? That is just mind-numbing if true.

No, while tge video is mostly accurate, they exaggerate some points... for instance, Bruce Arians is considered part of Tomlin's Tree... and Ray Horton left here as DB coach to beca DC for several teams... thats just two off tge top of my drunken head

Sure Tomlin is subpar at getting stud coaches, but honestly its gotten a tad better the past couple seasons

 

[Drink IRON City]

I thought the article was pretty much spot on. Tomlin isn't a bad coach or he'd have been replaced by now. He is mediocre - he doesn't win playoff games and I can't think of a single player that has gotten better under his tutelage so he doesn't develop players either. He's played Jones out of position and now he's a liability rather than an asset. Since ownership is satisfied with mediocrity he's got the perfect environment.

George Pickens is a current player being coached/developed UP. Pickens would be on his 3rd team if not for Tomlin.


Salute the nation

 

[Litos]

Big play willie gay comes to mind regarding players that improved under Tomlin.

How about a great rookie season from Claypool?

Highsmith was a hidden gem.

I don't think Tomlin is a great coach but gotta recognize the good too

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Next thing you know, you’ll want the location of the Peyote Patch…………………..


Salute the nation

It would be like the sequel to the movie The Bear after he stumbles about some shrooms

The Lost Mariner coming to a patch near you soon, as soon as I can find it

 

[slashsteel]

I thought the article was pretty much spot on. Tomlin isn't a bad coach or he'd have been replaced by now. He is mediocre - he doesn't win playoff games and I can't think of a single player that has gotten better under his tutelage so he doesn't develop players either. He's played Jones out of position and now he's a liability rather than an asset. Since ownership is satisfied with mediocrity he's got the perfect environment.

To be fair with Jones they had a plan in place to move him injuries just derailed the plan. Also his injury is slowing him as well. That is just circumstance in this particular scenario.

 

[SteveA]

TOMLIN > The stupid moron who wrote this stupid drivel

 

[SojournerSteel]

George Pickens is a current player being coached/developed UP. Pickens would be on his 3rd team if not for Tomlin.


Salute the nation

I wonder about this one I still see a very talented guy making circus catches but jury still out on his overall professionalism and headpsace. I'll agree that Tomlin is more tolerable than most holding out for ROI on a knucklehead with talent. Sometimes he gets it, and other times it get him.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

obviously i have no insider info, but i seriously doubt Coach T press conference is the way he speaks and communicates his message to his players

press conference is a contractual obligation, it means nothing.

BB was just a prickly ******* with his pressers

Mike tries to be serious (as far as keeping stuff in house if possible) but use the delivery in a comical way of letting the reporters know he’s gonna say less and less and less with every passing year through his very calculated nonsensical jibberish

And the talking heads just can’t get enough of his great sound bytes

You are correct I’m sure he is much more genuine with his players

 

[Gildong Sack]

As the title suggests, and to further stress upon what Gil said, this is NOT a Tomlin worship video.

He touches on every issue discussed here along with several others not brought up…. I.e.Tomlin is third to last in challenge call success.
This very well done and researched video caused me to have a different attitude.


The narrator sums it up at the end…

“I’m not suggesting he is the worst coach of all time, I’m stating the distance in the way he’s perceived, paid, and discussed is more warped from reality than any other coach.”

There is one other thing I would add to counter the argument many have made that he didn't win with Cowher's team. The video creator shows the 2005 Cowher championship roster and compares it to the 08 roster(Tomlin's Lombardi year) he should compare it to 2006, Cowher's last year. And the reason why is in that year they trade for Ryan Clark, draft Willie Colon, and draft one guy that would prove to be important to Tomlin's SB title. His name, Santonio Holmes.

Like I said I'm not a Tomlin hater, but to deny he won because of Cowher's players and even coaches is really silly no matter how many times Stephen A. Smith shouts it or Rich Eisen whispers it into everyone's ear.

 

[Steelersfan84]

The playoff stats are a completely valid criticism of Mike Tomlin. But damn, do I hate the coaching tree argument. I think people use it to sound smart. A few things with that:

1) Let's say you have a good racehorse, and when the racing career is over, they put him out to stud. But he doesn't produce any offspring that are any good on the track. Does that take away from the fact that he was a good racehorse?

2) To me a tree doesn't mean much if it doesn't bare fruit or the branches die. So great, Belechick has had a tree. None of them have done anything, probably because they ain't Belechick, but they want to be like him. They don't have the credibility. Noll didn't really have a tree. Shula didn't. Lombardi didn't. Coaching trees really only started to be talked about, as I recall, because of one of the biggest self promoters in coaching liked to talk about how great he was. Bill Walsh.

3) Using the Bill Walsh tree as an example, should a tree even be something we aspire Tomlin to have? Do you think when the Packers got good in the 90s and started to beat the 49ers, the 49ers consoled themselves by saying, "Well, at least we lost to Holmgren, he's is part of Walsh's tree!" I wonder if that would have made them feel better.

 

[Steelersfan84]

I thought the article was pretty much spot on. Tomlin isn't a bad coach or he'd have been replaced by now. He is mediocre - he doesn't win playoff games and I can't think of a single player that has gotten better under his tutelage so he doesn't develop players either. He's played Jones out of position and now he's a liability rather than an asset. Since ownership is satisfied with mediocrity he's got the perfect environment.

Same thing to me

 

[Steeltime]

The video makes a point that is almost impossible to refute - Mike Tomlin is certainly a good coach but not a great coach. A great coach does not get absolutely torched in four straight playoff games, giving up an average of 40 points per game. A great coach does not go 7 straight seasons without a playoff win.

Other coaches who go that long without a playoff win and have a history of playoff blowout losses get fired. That's a fact.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

The ultimate copium thread.

Yes get it all out in here, so we can keep the rest of them free of whining.

 

[Gildong Sack]

The ultimate copium thread.

Yes get it all out in here, so we can keep the rest of them free of whining.

It's just empirical proof that Tomlin is a mediocre coach. I didn't start this thread to whine. The point is to cut through the media/fan noise of "you're a racist" if you don't praise the emperor's clothes, and from the other side "He's a DEI hire" yada...yada.. He's just an average coach who benefitted from coming to this organization and the situation he walked into in 2007. Anywhere else he would have been fired long ago. If press conference word salad impresses you, then yeah he's a genius level coach.

I still will praise him for bringing in Wilson and Fields and even more so for playing Wilson when he was ready.

We know he will be here till he decides to leave.

 

[Gildong Sack]

obviously i have no insider info, but i seriously doubt Coach T press conference is the way he speaks and communicates his message to his players

press conference is a contractual obligation, it means nothing.

Then why do we hear the players repeat many of the things he says in interviews they have? I doubt they watch him in press conferences as busy as they are.

Tomlin to me is the guy in school who wants to sound smarter than he really is(gift of gab), so I'm pretty sure he does the same thing in the locker room.

How can I say this? Easy ..the results don't lie.. doesn't matter what cute phrases or sayings he spits out. "His body of work" speaks for itself..."if you will."

I don't hate the man, I just accept that he is what he is. And I don't swallow hook line and sinker what the agenda driven sports media tells me to believe whether they are local or national. I have eyes that can see and a brain that can and chooses to analyze.

 

[BLITZ]

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Then why do we hear the players repeat many of the things he says in interviews they have? I doubt they watch him in press conferences as busy as they are.

Tomlin to me is the guy in school who wants to sound smarter than he really is(gift of gab), so I'm pretty sure he does the same thing in the locker room.

How can I say this? Easy ..the results don't lie.. doesn't matter what cute phrases or sayings he spits out. "His body of work" speaks for itself..."if you will."

I don't hate the man, I just accept that he is what he is. And I don't swallow hook line and sinker what the agenda driven sports media tells me to believe whether they are local or national. I have eyes that can see and a brain that can and chooses to analyze.

popcorn

 

[Steelersfan84]

It's just empirical proof that Tomlin is a mediocre coach. I didn't start this thread to whine. The point is to cut through the media/fan noise of "you're a racist" if you don't praise the emperor's clothes, and from the other side "He's a DEI hire" yada...yada.. He's just an average coach who benefitted from coming to this organization and the situation he walked into in 2007. Anywhere else he would have been fired long ago. If press conference word salad impresses you, then yeah he's a genius level coach.

I still will praise him for bringing in Wilson and Fields and even more so for playing Wilson when he was ready.

We know he will be here till he decides to leave.

 

[paperclip]

Then why do we hear the players repeat many of the things he says in interviews they have? I doubt they watch him in press conferences as busy as they are.

Tomlin to me is the guy in school who wants to sound smarter than he really is(gift of gab), so I'm pretty sure he does the same thing in the locker room.

How can I say this? Easy ..the results don't lie.. doesn't matter what cute phrases or sayings he spits out. "His body of work" speaks for itself..."if you will."

I don't hate the man, I just accept that he is what he is. And I don't swallow hook line and sinker what the agenda driven sports media tells me to believe whether they are local or national. I have eyes that can see and a brain that can and chooses to analyze.

I think players have media training, and you know they are (mostly) all active on social media. I have no way of knowing, but I'm under the impression that they all circulate those non-answers and are repeating/parroting their coach as a sign of being a team. Keeping it in-house.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Tomlin is considered a mediocre coach because of his post-season accomplishments the last 10 years.
It's hard to argue the numbers.

 

[Lloyd]

No, while tge video is mostly accurate, they exaggerate some points... for instance, Bruce Arians is considered part of Tomlin's Tree... and Ray Horton left here as DB coach to beca DC for several teams... thats just two off tge top of my drunken head

Sure Tomlin is subpar at getting stud coaches, but honestly its gotten a tad better the past couple seasons

Rooneys being one of the cheapest owners doesn't help.

 

[Lloyd]

Tomlin is considered a mediocre coach because of his post-season accomplishments the last 10 years.
It's hard to argue the numbers.

Yea, 7 years no playoff wins doesn't help. How many head coaches keep jobs 7 years no playoff wins?

 

[Lloyd]

TOMLIN > The stupid moron who wrote this stupid drivel

Anyone > than Tomlin who gave up ON AVERAGE 40+ points per last 4 playoff games. He's a "defensive genius."

 

[BLITZ]

Say what you will about Tomlin. But he is more successful than any of us on this board.