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Draft Thread Rounds 2 and 3

troymania said:
Alright Omar, I am sorry I bad mouthed you. I love this pick. Let Pittsburgh overflow with red headed mullets
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The team has been in dire need of a good mullet for far too long. I can guarantee that he'll be making shampoo commercials with Troy by the end of next week.
 
FordFairLane said:
Ok, I like Gennings Dunker a lot. I think I had him as a second round grade. But he should be a RT so either they think Max will be a LT or they are just doubling up at RT...
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The Steelers likely drafted Dunker as a guard, where he played as a freshman at Iowa. He is big, with long arms for a guard. Very strong, reportedly benched 470 lbs. at Iowa with nearly 700 lb. squat.
 
FordFairLane said:
Allar is much like our first round pick. A huge upside but a cellar for a floor. With enough coaching he could be the best QB not only in this draft but the last five. Or he could be Christian Hackenberg. But at 76 you aren't going to get everything so you are either banking on potential or getting a guy who will at minimum contribute. We swung for the fences and I am ok with that.
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If Tomlin was still coaching, it's a terrible pick because he'd never get the coaching he needs. With McCarthy, he has a chance.
 
Steeltime said:
The Steelers likely drafted Dunker as a guard, where he played as a freshman at Iowa. He is big, with long arms for a guard. Very strong, reportedly benched 470 lbs. at Iowa with nearly 700 lb. squat.
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Exactly, it’s options with Fautanu and Dunker
 
Phoenix1172 said:
I'm liking the draft so far. I had been hoping the Steelers would draft Allar all offseason. The guy is a Big Ben 2.0 clone in many ways if he gets coached up.

Allar had a really good 2024 season, then, like the rest of the team, struggled last season. The Steeles had a number of QB options and went with Allar. If I've got to accept that McCarthy is the coach, then I'll at least give him credit for being a QB whisperer, saw something he really likes, and hope he can coach up either Allar or Howard to be a franchise QB.

Allar has the intangibles you can't teach. The guy is huge, has an elite arm, and has decent mobility. I'll trust the coaching staff liked the tools he has and feel confident they can coach him up.

I'm guessing this means Rudolph is gone, assuming Rodgers is coming back, and if Howard and Allar look good during camp, since his contract is not guaranteed. Worst case, they keep Rudolph and protect whoever comes in second this summer between Allar and Howard on the practice squad this year.
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You arent cutting a top half third round pick year 1 to go on the PS. If Howard cant leapfrog Rudolph early, he will absolutely get cut, cause he wont get the snaps to prove anything...


Also Allar is nothing like Big Ben in college... he has no instincts, no poise, inconsistant mechanics...

The pick is being mocked by the other AFC north teams fans already... a sampling :
"When it comes to Allar, he's a year away from being a year away. For a third-round pick joining a roster very much built to win now, it's not an optimal scenario.

Weird-miss inaccurate passes, curious decision-making, shaky pocket presence, and somewhat stagnant collegiate development are all marks against Allar as he prepares to enter the professional ranks."
 
madinsomniac said:
You arent cutting a top half third round pick year 1 to go on the PS. If Howard cant leapfrog Rudolph early, he will absolutely get cut, cause he wont get the snaps to prove anything...


Also Allar is nothing like Big Ben in college... he has no instincts, no poise, inconsistant mechanics...

The pick is being mocked by the other AFC north teams fans already... a sampling :
"When it comes to Allar, he's a year away from being a year away. For a third-round pick joining a roster very much built to win now, it's not an optimal scenario.

Weird-miss inaccurate passes, curious decision-making, shaky pocket presence, and somewhat stagnant collegiate development are all marks against Allar as he prepares to enter the professional ranks."
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I'm happy with it, so I'll sleep better than many on here.

Rodgers is coming back. I'll happily take a flyer on a high risk high reward player at that point in the draft. If the coaching staff can unleash his potential, a lot of pissed State fans will have to come around.

If it doesn't work out, it was only one of three third round picks. Much better than drafting lesser talent and measurable with the 20th pick in the first round.

If Allar goes into the draft after the 2024 season, he's a much higher draft pick. I'm counting on him bouncing back with better coaching and players around him.
 
madinsomniac said:
You arent cutting a top half third round pick year 1 to go on the PS. If Howard cant leapfrog Rudolph early, he will absolutely get cut, cause he wont get the snaps to prove anything...


Also Allar is nothing like Big Ben in college... he has no instincts, no poise, inconsistant mechanics...

The pick is being mocked by the other AFC north teams fans already... a sampling :
"When it comes to Allar, he's a year away from being a year away. For a third-round pick joining a roster very much built to win now, it's not an optimal scenario.

Weird-miss inaccurate passes, curious decision-making, shaky pocket presence, and somewhat stagnant collegiate development are all marks against Allar as he prepares to enter the professional ranks."
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Yes but there is hope he can develop a worthy mullet. ;). Who knows what will happen with any of our picks. Sure bets turn into flops and unknowns become all pros. Hopefully with some good coaching a few of these kids will become legends.
 
Steeltime said:
The Steelers likely drafted Dunker as a guard, where he played as a freshman at Iowa. He is big, with long arms for a guard. Very strong, reportedly benched 470 lbs. at Iowa with nearly 700 lb. squat.
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Didn't he have one start at guard? I mean yes, they can definitely move him inside but I was a pretty dominant RT at Iowa. I would at least let him fight it out and whoever loses push them inside.
 
FordFairLane said:
Didn't he have one start at guard? I mean yes, they can definitely move him inside but I was a pretty dominant RT at Iowa. I would at least let him fight it out and whoever loses push them inside.
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Kind of strange what is my description of the Steelers draft so far. I like the pick and figured he would move to LG but we also drafted Iheanachor who appears to be our right tackle in the future.

So what do they do with Fautanu, play it out with Dunker to see who is the better bet at LT and LG. I guess they know who’s who. I’m not upset at what they did, I like it. They shouldn’t draft another OL in four years
 
It's nice to know that this coaching staff didn't draft Dunker to start at C.

We have 3 or 4 (Broderick Jones health depending) really young OTs, a sturdy C and RG, and a flexible Dylan Cook. A competent OL coach should be able to find a 5 man unit with reasonable expectations to gel as the season progresses; maybe Jones needs light work for the first few games to save his career.

I'd like to see S/ILB/NT and WR/TE Satuday, or a clear KR/PR specialist that can sub in at WR/RB/DB.

If Max IsHeAnAnchor and one of Allar or Howard pans out, this seems like a decent draft filled with several starter-capable guys in areas of need.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Biggest needs this offseason
QB - Allar
WR - Pittman and Bernard
Upgrade OL - Max and Dunker
depth on defense - Everett

All boxes of must haves are checked. Now they can take another WR and add depth with BPA
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Excellent assessment.

After one more WR - they could all punters and I wouldn't care...
 
deljzc said:
That has to be the plan.

Khan has now ONLY drafted big uglies in round 1 for four straight drafts. He will eventually have to pick a play maker - either on offense or on defense.

The stretch is coming up for this team for those types of players in round 1. Next year might be QB, year after that might be Edge or WR or DB.

But you can't ALWAYS pick linemen in round 1 even if they are the ones that often make/break franchises (after the QB of course).

Hopefully, these steady, if unspectacular, drafts to fill out depth help us in the long run. But we do have to pick a playmaker/difference maker soon.
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Playmaker = Germie Bernard

Keep it, Shaquille!!!
 
madinsomniac said:
You arent cutting a top half third round pick year 1 to go on the PS. If Howard cant leapfrog Rudolph early, he will absolutely get cut, cause he wont get the snaps to prove anything...


Also Allar is nothing like Big Ben in college... he has no instincts, no poise, inconsistant mechanics...

The pick is being mocked by the other AFC north teams fans already... a sampling :
"When it comes to Allar, he's a year away from being a year away. For a third-round pick joining a roster very much built to win now, it's not an optimal scenario.

Weird-miss inaccurate passes, curious decision-making, shaky pocket presence, and somewhat stagnant collegiate development are all marks against Allar as he prepares to enter the professional ranks."
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Hmmmmm...I wonder what the comments were on Josh Allen when he was selected???

BRB. IIRC something like "he can't hit the broad side of a barn"...
 
bermudasteel said:
Hmmmmm...I wonder what the comments were on Josh Allen when he was selected???

BRB. IIRC something like "he can't hit the broad side of a barn"...
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Yep...eerily similar:
Early criticisms of QB Josh Allen centered on his inaccurate passing, poor decision-making, and high turnover rate, with critics fearing he would be a "bust". Coming out of Wyoming, he was viewed as a raw talent needing major refinement, with many doubting his ability to fix his erratic accuracy. [1, 2, 3]


Key early criticisms included:
  • Inaccurate Passing: As a rookie and pre-draft, Allen struggled with consistent accuracy, recording a low completion percentage.
  • Decision-Making & Turnovers: He was criticized for forcing throws into coverage and trying to do too much, resulting in high turnover numbers.
  • Inconsistency: Critics noted his play was volatile, ranging from brilliant to struggling significantly within the same game.
  • Mechanics & "Raw" Talent: Scouts described his mechanics as awkward and needing significant work to function at the NFL level.
  • Controversial Tweets: Prior to the 2018 NFL draft, old offensive tweets from high school resurfaced, causing scrutiny, according to a Yahoo Sports report. [1, 3, 4, 5, 6]
These early concerns were summarized by many analysts as a fear that his raw tools would not translate to success, as explored in discussions on Quora and in a
2021 ESPN article
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AI responses may include mistakes.
[1]
[2] https://www.quora.com/Dont-all-of-the-critics-of-Josh-Allen-prior-to-the-2019-NFL-draft-look-rather-silly-now-The-talk-was-that-he-was-very-inaccurate-and-that-this-could-never-be-fixed-in-the-NFL-Therefore-he-would-be-a-bust-Unlike-lets
[3]
[4] https://sports.yahoo.com/offensive-tweets-josh-allen-surface-hours-nfl-draft-024847843.html
[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1qgd2pq/is_this_the_most_heavily_criticized_allens_ever/
[6] https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30656535/how-bills-qb-josh-allen-went-mediocrity-mvp-contender
[7]
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FordFairLane said:
Didn't he have one start at guard? I mean yes, they can definitely move him inside but I was a pretty dominant RT at Iowa. I would at least let him fight it out and whoever loses push them inside.
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No, he started 11 games at RG as a redshirt freshman.
 
I don't have privileges to do posts, so I'll tag onto this.

We're all pathetic, lol. Hanging on every pick, hoping "our guy" falls to us, then being mad when the team doesn't take our guy. You are my people. I love the draft!

So, with what's left after two days, this is my shot at what we'll do on Day 3 and UDFAs, based on what I think will be availability and needs:

4(121)--Kamari Ramsey-S A future FS for us. Easy to find SS, harder to find these guys. Could learn for a year from our starting FS, the other Ramsey, then start in 2027.

5(161)--Dontay Corleone-NT Yes, I want a pure NT to stuff the run. Some medical concerns (blood clots), but Trey Smith of KC also had that concern, and he's become a really good OG. At this point, worth the risk.

7(224)--Jaden Dugger-ILB We need a future run-down thumper at ILB, and this is it. Allows us to send Harrison packing. If we need a stopgap while he develops on the PS, get Elandon Roberts back for a year. He is a fave of DC Patrick Graham.

7(230)--Lewis Bond-WR Sure handed slot WR who has produced with bad QB play, he can also be a KR/PR.

7(249)--Logan Fano--EDGE Good size, balanced play. Develop him a year and anticipate one of our top three EDGE guys to be gone next year.

Didn't get a TE, but the early and sustained run on them in the draft left the cupboards a bit bare. The positive is that with that many TEs taken a lot of vet TE3 types will soon be looking for a job, cheap.

UDFAs: C. Trayanum-RB, M. Bredeson-FB, C. Roberts-WR, M. Kitselman-TE, J. Cooper-OT (local boy), N. Rucci-OT (to room with Allar at camp), J. Gesky-OG, R. Eckley-P, C. Brevard-NT, J. van der Berg-DL, J. Kuwatch-ILB, E. O'Neill-EDGE, A. Smith-CB, L. McCutchin-CB, J. Stroman-S

I'm sure the rest of the draft will go exactly like this.
 
So wondering who Steelers take in 2nd round if they get Lemon at 21. Keeping the Steelers at 47 after the trade up, look at the players drafted 47 to 75 and tell me whom you take to get a better result than Iheanachor and Bernard. I don't see a single offensive lineman who merits using pick 47 - literally none, and the few who might be possible make Iheanachor look like a finished product. So who then?

McNeil-Warren, I guess? So the OL gets nobody in the first two selections, meaning the plan is to send Broderick Jones to Lourdes and hope for the best. Oh, and never play Houston again.
 
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