Drew Brees

[Steelin]

My moms side of the family came here in 1955 from Germany. My dad was from a rich bostonian who may have owned slaves but I dont hold that against myself because he offered my mother money to abort me. I lived. However I have gained absolutely nothing from that mother ******.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Two points.

1. Lincoln made his anti-slavery beliefs quite clear when running for office. In fact, Lincoln wrote, "If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." However, Lincoln was a lawyer and believed that the Constitution did not ban slavery, despite the plain wording of the 5th Amendment.

2. It is without question that Lincoln was willing to let slavery continue in the slave states if those states remained part of the Union. Lincoln changed his views when the death tolls became astronomical. After Shiloh in April of 1862, Lincoln told his cabinet that the war had to be about something greater than keeping the Union together. He struggled personally with the cost in American lives, and decided no later than July of 1862 that the war was going to end slavery. Antietam in September of 1862 gave Lincoln the "victory" he needed to make the Emancipation Proclamation. He did not declare an end to slavery in the Union states that permitted slavery (Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware and Maryland, as well as D.C. itself) because those states remained part of the Union by the slimmest of skinny threads, one possibly broken if Lincoln announced an end to slavery in those states. For crying out loud, Lincoln had to arrest the Maryland legislature to keep that state from seceding.

How did it work out for the Union Cities? It's a fair question. The freed slaves mass migrated North to her cities and now these are the tinder boxes that no one wants to live in in 2020.

Turns out, Lincoln was a longitudinal disaster who made Bush in Iraq look like the Grenada Invasion. Slavery would have died out with the advent of the textile industry in the South and further mechanization.

 

[DBS1970]

Once you understand that this isn't about George Floyd or RRRRRAYSISM it becomes easier to understand. This is about making the USA evil thus justifying it's destruction. This is why Howard Zinn began historical revisionism focusing on and amplifying anything bad in US history and excluding all the good that has come out of this nation. It is why the 1619 project is seeking to rewrite our nations founding in an attempt to say America would not exist without slavery. It is an attempt by world wide socialism to destroy our freedom and our Constitution.

 

[DBS1970]

How did it work out for the Union Cities? It's a fair question. The freed slaves mass migrated North to her cities and now these are the tinder boxes that no one wants to live in in 2020.

Turns out, Lincoln was a longitudinal disaster who made Bush in Iraq look like the Grenada Invasion. Slavery would have died out with the advent of the textile industry in the South and further mechanization.

Yeah people always forget the invention of the cotton gin made slavery profitable but mechanized farming was making it obsolete since a steam tractor with the right implement could pick more cotton in an hour than 100 slaves could pick all day. Yes slavery was the major cause of the Civil War but lets not pretend that mercantilism and restricted markets for old money interests in Boston and New York are what bankrolled the tyrant Lincoln pushed the country into fracture and war. Mechanization would have caused the natural death of slavery by 1885 without bloodshed. But that would not have kept the southern states from trading with the rest of the world.

 

[diver]

Yeah people always forget the invention of the cotton gin made slavery profitable but mechanized farming was making it obsolete since a steam tractor with the right implement could pick more cotton in an hour than 100 slaves could pick all day. Yes slavery was the major cause of the Civil War but lets not pretend that mercantilism and restricted markets for old money interests in Boston and New York are what bankrolled the tyrant Lincoln pushed the country into fracture and war. Mechanization would have caused the natural death of slavery by 1885 without bloodshed. But that would not have kept the southern states from trading with the rest of the world.

One of the things I take on faith, and maybe I shouldn't, is that when a movement is based on half truths and lies, it cannot sustain itself. This nonsense going on now, people are seeing through. Where are the protests for the 77 year old? Will there be protests for Reche Caldwell? Maybe the younger generations are so used to lies they have no idea of what truth is.

Then I see your post here. What a hypothetical bunch of crap. The South, 20 years before 1885, was willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives in their cause, and you think it would have just died out 2 decades later? Just fade away like a fart in the wind? I guess that idea of a movement not sustaining based on half truths and lies is wrong, as this nonsense from the "Lost Cause" has hung around for 150 years.

This stuff doesn't help. I am as big a 2nd Amendment guy as you will find, but what you post here reminds me of those guys who decide to go shoot the **** out of a picture of Hillary Clinton or Obama or something and post it on youtube. It just doesn't help.

 

[SojournerSteel]

One of the things I take on faith, and maybe I shouldn't, is that when a movement is based on half truths and lies, it cannot sustain itself. This nonsense going on now, people are seeing through. Where are the protests for the 77 year old? Will there be protests for Reche Caldwell? Maybe the younger generations are so used to lies they have no idea of what truth is.

Then I see your post here. What a hypothetical bunch of crap. The South, 20 years before 1885, was willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives in their cause, and you think it would have just died out 2 decades later? Just fade away like a fart in the wind? I guess that idea of a movement not sustaining based on half truths and lies is wrong, as this nonsense from the "Lost Cause" has hung around for 150 years.

This stuff doesn't help. I am as big a 2nd Amendment guy as you will find, but what you post here reminds me of those guys who decide to go shoot the **** out of a picture of Hillary Clinton or Obama or something and post it on youtube. It just doesn't help.

Lincoln's War was a disaster for the country. A disaster for the North and great eventual social upheaval for her alabaster cities. Just look at any of them in the era of George Floyd. Who would want to live in a Blue City 160 years later?

It was Bush invading Iraq on a magnitude of several thousand when you look at the longitudinal social upheaval and dispossession.

Like the Japanese and Germans after WW2, the South can now build anything cheaper and better than the North. It's why Mercedes and BMW build quality cars here in the cradle of the Confederacy in SC while Detroit still can't.

 

[deljzc]

Two wasn’t bad. Didn’t we get to see trinity ***? I have high hopes for the new one.

Don't hold your breath. The Wachowski brothers (or sisters?) have completely gone off the deep end now. Everything they've made in the last 15 years has been nonsensical.

I liked V for Vendetta but when you actually read the script (which is what the brothers did) it was sort of the beginning of the end. The director/editors saved V for Vendetta in my opinion.

Everything since then has been complete trash. Cloud Atlas. Jupiter Ascending. Awful.

 

[diver]

Lincoln's War was a disaster for the country. A disaster for the North and great eventual social upheaval for her alabaster cities. Just look at any of them in the era of George Floyd. Who would want to live in a Blue City 160 years later?

It was Bush invading Iraq on a magnitude of several thousand when you look at the longitudinal social upheaval and dispossession.

Like the Japanese and Germans after WW2, the South can now build anything cheaper and better than the North. It's why Mercedes and BMW build quality cars here in the cradle of the Confederacy in SC while Detroit still can't.

I don't know what the heck you are saying, here. I am working from the idea presented that slavery would have just die out in the 1880s and the war should have never been fought. I think that is just a ridiculous hypothetical, given the fact that the South fought so well. And while I do believe the poor farm kid didn't give a damn about slavery one way or the other, they darn well knew the war had a lot to do with it. And they kept fighting and dying. To present the idea it would just go away in two decades doesn't make sense.

Are you saying if the war wasn't fought and slavery just died out there would not be things like Jim Crow laws and lynchings, which drove Southern blacks North? If so, another hypothetical that just doesn't make sense. It seems you are saying that if it just died out, blacks would have been just welcomed in society, they would have been sharing water fountains and voting. Whites would have been OK with all of that.

What I am trying to get across is that I completely disagree with these "protests" and the idea of white privilege or systematic racism or whatever the latest buzzword is. I don't think some defending of the "Lost Cause" helps, though. People who may be willing to listen shut down when people spout of stuff like this. Like I said, I'm a 2nd Amendment guy, and I have had people who disagree with me show me those videos of guys doing stupid stuff with firearms. I try to say things like there are millions of responsible gun owners, but it's lost in the idiocy on the screen.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Don't hold your breath. The Wachowski brothers (or sisters?) have completely gone off the deep end now. Everything they've made in the last 15 years has been nonsensical.

I liked V for Vendetta but when you actually read the script (which is what the brothers did) it was sort of the beginning of the end. The director/editors saved V for Vendetta in my opinion.

Everything since then has been complete trash. Cloud Atlas. Jupiter Ascending. Awful.

the 3rd matrix was awful. Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Ascending were nearly unwatchable. What you see with these movies are people trying to tackle deep subjects and they aren’t quite smart enough to pull it off.

 

[Vader]

I don't know what the heck you are saying, here. I am working from the idea presented that slavery would have just die out in the 1880s and the war should have never been fought. I think that is just a ridiculous hypothetical, given the fact that the South fought so well. And while I do believe the poor farm kid didn't give a damn about slavery one way or the other, they darn well knew the war had a lot to do with it. And they kept fighting and dying. To present the idea it would just go away in two decades doesn't make sense.

Are you saying if the war wasn't fought and slavery just died out there would not be things like Jim Crow laws and lynchings, which drove Southern blacks North? If so, another hypothetical that just doesn't make sense. It seems you are saying that if it just died out, blacks would have been just welcomed in society, they would have been sharing water fountains and voting. Whites would have been OK with all of that.

What I am trying to get across is that I completely disagree with these "protests" and the idea of white privilege or systematic racism or whatever the latest buzzword is. I don't think some defending of the "Lost Cause" helps, though. People who may be willing to listen shut down when people spout of stuff like this. Like I said, I'm a 2nd Amendment guy, and I have had people who disagree with me show me those videos of guys doing stupid stuff with firearms. I try to say things like there are millions of responsible gun owners, but it's lost in the idiocy on the screen.

Slavery was expensive. If you look at the stats from slave states you'll see that hired labor was cheaper, more productive and less time consuming. It was slavery that kept the south from advancing where it should have been. With new technology like tractors coming on line in the late 1800s slavery was going out. The idea that southerners were just slave nuts is ignorant. Slavery was headed out. Again there was more to the war than just slavery. Which is why the south turned down Lincoln's offer to let them keep their slaves. They didn't want federal encroachment into states rights.

 

[diver]

Slavery was expensive. If you look at the stats from slave states you'll see that hired labor was cheaper, more productive and less time consuming. It was slavery that kept the south from advancing where it should have been. With new technology like tractors coming on line in the late 1800s slavery was going out. The idea that southerners were just slave nuts is ignorant. Slavery was headed out. Again there was more to the war than just slavery. Which is why the south turned down Lincoln's offer to let them keep their slaves. They didn't want federal encroachment into states rights.

Never said all southerners were slave nuts. I would argue the ones pulling the strings were. And they had great influence over a lot of poorly educated, dirt poor farm kids. If you frame things just right... I also think that to say slavery was going out is a complete hypothetical.

Allow me a hypothetical. I could argue that if slavery died out in the 1830s or something, I believe the war never happens. I feel all of the other issues could have been worked out, but it was slavery that was the sticking point. Just like the Democrat Party today when they say things like gun control is to keep kids safe, when saying that covers up the real purpose of what they want to do. The Civil War was about state rights and so on...that stuff just covered over the real reason. It was stated previously that after the carnage of Antietam, Lincoln knew the war had to be more than about just keeping the Union together, and made it about slavery. Well, the South knew that too, and continued to fight.

Another hypothetical is that things would have been better for the country if slavery just died out by the 1880s. I don't know. At the very least we can argue that a lot of lives were sacrificed in order to right a wrong. If it was left to die out, all that could be said was there was not greater purpose, it just wasn't profitable anymore.

We need to be careful not to get into the weeds on stuff. You and I are probably pretty much in agreement on the bullshit of these riots and BLM and the hypocrisy of it all. However, the minute the "Lost Cause" is justified, we lose any traction in an argument.

 

[Djfan]

the 3rd matrix was awful. Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Ascending were nearly unwatchable. What you see with these movies are people trying to tackle deep subjects and they aren’t quite smart enough to pull it off.

Like most of what Hollywood barfs out the last 25 years?

 

[Vader]

Never said all southerners were slave nuts. I would argue the ones pulling the strings were. And they had great influence over a lot of poorly educated, dirt poor farm kids. If you frame things just right... I also think that to say slavery was going out is a complete hypothetical.

Allow me a hypothetical. I could argue that if slavery died out in the 1830s or something, I believe the war never happens. I feel all of the other issues could have been worked out, but it was slavery that was the sticking point. Just like the Democrat Party today when they say things like gun control is to keep kids safe, when saying that covers up the real purpose of what they want to do. The Civil War was about state rights and so on...that stuff just covered over the real reason. It was stated previously that after the carnage of Antietam, Lincoln knew the war had to be more than about just keeping the Union together, and made it about slavery. Well, the South knew that too, and continued to fight.

Another hypothetical is that things would have been better for the country if slavery just died out by the 1880s. I don't know. At the very least we can argue that a lot of lives were sacrificed in order to right a wrong. If it was left to die out, all that could be said was there was not greater purpose, it just wasn't profitable anymore.

We need to be careful not to get into the weeds on stuff. You and I are probably pretty much in agreement on the bullshit of these riots and BLM and the hypocrisy of it all. However, the minute the "Lost Cause" is justified, we lose any traction in an argument.

Understanding why the civil war happened won't lose any traction. After Antietam the south didn't change their reasoning. Lincoln did. Lincoln knew the war originally started over states rights (including who could have slaves in new territories). But after Antietam he knew he had to add a human element to it. He had to make the war more about ending slavery. He knew that wasn't the original issue or he wouldn't have been trying to change the reasoning. The south wasn't aware of Lincoln's thought processes. If the CW were all about slavery or even the vast majority of it were about slavery then Lincoln would have free the northern slaves BEFORE the war.... or DURING the war.. but he doesn't. Some aren't freed until the 13th amendment at the end of the war. It would be like Russia fighting a war with China to end Communism.

I have no "lost cause" hangups. It was always a lost cause. It was a stupid war that the south could never win. However, slavery was going away because it was expensive and most southerns didn't own slaves anyway. Automation in farming would have rendered slavery obsolete within a decade or two. The U.S. lost over 700,000 people in that war. We lost more during the civil war than almost all the other wars combined. The states rights issues got covered over and now we have a bloated federal government that is out of control. They have their hands in everything from education to transportation.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Never said all southerners were slave nuts. I would argue the ones pulling the strings were. And they had great influence over a lot of poorly educated, dirt poor farm kids. If you frame things just right... I also think that to say slavery was going out is a complete hypothetical.

Allow me a hypothetical. I could argue that if slavery died out in the 1830s or something, I believe the war never happens. I feel all of the other issues could have been worked out, but it was slavery that was the sticking point. Just like the Democrat Party today when they say things like gun control is to keep kids safe, when saying that covers up the real purpose of what they want to do. The Civil War was about state rights and so on...that stuff just covered over the real reason. It was stated previously that after the carnage of Antietam, Lincoln knew the war had to be more than about just keeping the Union together, and made it about slavery. Well, the South knew that too, and continued to fight.

Another hypothetical is that things would have been better for the country if slavery just died out by the 1880s. I don't know. At the very least we can argue that a lot of lives were sacrificed in order to right a wrong. If it was left to die out, all that could be said was there was not greater purpose, it just wasn't profitable anymore.

We need to be careful not to get into the weeds on stuff. You and I are probably pretty much in agreement on the bullshit of these riots and BLM and the hypocrisy of it all. However, the minute the "Lost Cause" is justified, we lose any traction in an argument.

As a side note, it's interesting to read the Articles of Succession from the various states in the Confederacy. Some of the reasons cited are issues on steroids today.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Texas, for example:

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#Texas

"By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States. (sanctuary cities, anyone? Soros mobs?)

The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refuse reimbursement therefor, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas. (How have they done since the Civil War with securing the Border?) Defending against drug cartels and illegal invasion?)

These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration."

 

[Steeltime]

the 3rd matrix was awful. Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Ascending were nearly unwatchable.

Agreed 100%. At the conclusion of Jupiter is this thing ever going to End, I wanted to write an e-mail and demand my money back, even if the damn thing was on for free as part of my Dish options.

 

[Steeltime]

I have no "lost cause" hangups. It was always a lost cause. It was a stupid war that the south could never win.

When the casualty reports for Shiloh began to filter in, Northern citizens were appalled. A significant percentage of Northerners just wanted the damn thing to stop by the summer of 1862. The draft caused rioting in New York.

The South had two armies positioned on either side of Grant's western army as of the spring of 1863. Johnston was to his east in Jackson, while Pemberton was heavily dug in to his west in Vicksburg. Grant knew that if the two armies joined up, he would be defeated so he moved east very quickly and badly hurt Johnston's army. Yes, yes, I know, if if's and but's were candies and nuts ...

If Pemberton had figured out that he was not going to win by holing up in Vicksburg, and that if his supply line via the Mississippi River was cut off, and if he had simply gone after Grant the minute he received word it was moving east, then he and Johnston would have put Grant's and Sherman's armies in a vice. Pemberton was simply unwilling to take his men out of the heavy fortifications, since remaining holed up in Vicksburg would not get him fired or killed.

At very close to the same time, Lee's Army of Northern Virginia enters Pennsylvania. For reasons that were never clear, J.E.B. Stuart, Lee's "eyes and ears," went gallivanting around Pennsylvania, depriving Lee of the best cavalary on the planet. Again, if if's and but's were candies and nuts ... if Stuart simply does his job, then Lee would have had notice of Meade's Army of the Potomac coming out to meet him and he would have selected the place of the conflict. Add in Stuart's 2500 experienced, armed cavalary, and the outcome is very different.

Even then, the vicious fight for Little Round Top and the indescribable will of the troops on both sides. If the Army of Northern Virginia takes Little Round Top early on, they have basically flanked the Union position on Cemetery Ridge. They place cannon on Little Round Top, even if the sight to Cemetery Ridge is not great at that point due to the trees. Even with a somewhat obstructed view of the Union position, the Army of Northern Virginia can bombard the Union left flank on Cemetery Ridge and imperil Meade's entire force. Meade has to abandon his position on Cemetery Ridge, the best defensive spot at Gettysburg.

Meade's famous "fishhook"

The 20th Maine holds off three, four, five assaults by the Alabama and Texas troops. Casualties are high. The contest was close. Stunningly close. If the Alabama and Texas troops, who had marched 20 miles that day to reach Gettysburg, had even 2 hours, 1 hour, to rest and re-fill canteens ... if Stuart was present to push the 20th Maine during the first assault ...

I submit that if the South had won EITHER the Vicksburg battle OR Gettysburg, the Northern population would have had enough. The result would have been a bit like what we saw about Vietnam, the Middle East conflicts. If the population does not support the war effort, and the political shills making decisions are worried more about the next election than the troops, then the war ends.

That was closer to occurring than we realize today. We read about the North's industrial might and obvious advantage in manpower. How the North simply overwhelmed the South. But Pemberton's decision to remain snug, while Stuart was 3 miles from Gettysburg for some reason, and the Southern troops could not get even 60 minutes to get some water, were the difference.

 

[Vader]

There were a lot of battles that were close to being disasters. However, the north didn't even stop their yacht races at Harvard for the war. They could have mustered so much more men, weapons and supplies. The south's only shot was praying that the northern people would get tired of seeing dead bodies and just let them walk away. Lincoln couldn't allow that even if it meant going against popular opinion. The south had no chance of winning the war outright.

 

[Steeltime]

There were a lot of battles that were close to being disasters. However, the north didn't even stop their yacht races at Harvard for the war. They could have mustered so much more men, weapons and supplies. The south's only shot was praying that the northern people would get tired of seeing dead bodies and just let them walk away. Lincoln couldn't allow that even if it meant going against popular opinion. The south had no chance of winning the war outright.

Neither did North Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan.

Look, the North had twice the population and vastly better manufacturing, but instituted a system where you could buy your way out of service and the draft riots of 1863 showed that the North just wanted the damn thing over.

If the Army of Northern Virginia takes Little Round Top, Meade has to abandon Cemetery Ridge. If he doesn't, he is flanked, shelled, and risks losing a vast percentage of his army.

If Meade abandons Cemetery Ridge, the battle is lost, and the Army of the Potomac has to run like hell to get back in position to defend D.C. Lee's army simply walks north, takes Harrisburg, poaches crops and goods throughout central Pennsylvania, threatens Philadelphia. Meade is probably frozen at the prospect of leaving D.C. and having Lee move around him and take the capital.

Do we think that Lincoln simply lets Grant continue rampaging in Tennessee while Lee's army is pillaging Pennsylvania and threatening major port cities in the eastern theater? No? So the South continues to use the Mississippi to feed and arm its army.

Vicksburg and Gettysburg effectively ended the war for the South ... and it took TWO MORE YEARS of very hard fighting for the North to prevail. Lee wins at Gettysburg, the war drags on for many years thereafter and the North has enough, tells the South to go @#$% itself.

 

[Vader]

Neither did North Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan.

Look, the North had twice the population and vastly better manufacturing, but instituted a system where you could buy your way out of service and the draft riots of 1863 showed that the North just wanted the damn thing over.

If the Army of Northern Virginia takes Little Round Top, Meade has to abandon Cemetery Ridge. If he doesn't, he is flanked, shelled, and risks losing a vast percentage of his army.

If Meade abandons Cemetery Ridge, the battle is lost, and the Army of the Potomac has to run like hell to get back in position to defend D.C. Lee's army simply walks north, takes Harrisburg, poaches crops and goods throughout central Pennsylvania, threatens Philadelphia. Meade is probably frozen at the prospect of leaving D.C. and having Lee move around him and take the capital.

Do we think that Lincoln simply lets Grant continue rampaging in Tennessee while Lee's army is pillaging Pennsylvania and threatening major port cities in the eastern theater? No? So the South continues to use the Mississippi to feed and arm its army.

Vicksburg and Gettysburg effectively ended the war for the South ... and it took TWO MORE YEARS of very hard fighting for the North to prevail. Lee wins at Gettysburg, the war drags on for many years thereafter and the North has enough, tells the South to go @#$% itself.

To me that just isn't possible because Lincoln wouldn't have allowed it. He would have ramped up the war machine. The south's only chance was to do exactly as you outlined. But the north had 1000 more chances. The south was drafting 17-50 year olds. The north first allowed states to draft and then in 63' the federal govt started drafting a few. But you could pay $300 and get out of it or get someone to take your place. The north was never desperate enough to force people to fight except for poor people. IMHO the south had no real chance because this wasn't Vietnam half way across the world. It was one country that Lincoln couldn't allow to break. He would have done anything necessary to save the union. But he didn't have too.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Man. I learn so much here. Where the **** was my schooling.

 

[SteelChip]

Is it too late to get back to the thread title ?

 

[SojournerSteel]

Brees traded 1-2 more years at most of playing QB in the NFL for the self-respect of himself and his wife who also apologized to the woke mob.

Personally, I think it was a well-timed Humiliation Ritual to enforce the New Social Order. Look for Brees to be replaced midseason as the starter by Crab Legs thief Jameis Winston when the OL refuses to effectively block for Brees.

That will complete the Humiliation Ritual and drum Drew Bree Bree out of the NFL.

 

[Superman]

Brees traded 1-2 more years at most of playing QB in the NFL for the self-respect of himself and his wife who also apologized to the woke mob.

Personally, I think it was a well-timed Humiliation Ritual to enforce the New Social Order. Look for Brees to be replaced midseason as the starter by Crab Legs thief Jameis Winston when the OL refuses to effectively block for Brees.

That will complete the Humiliation Ritual and drum Drew Bree Bree out of the NFL.

to the contrary, Brees probably got an immediate call from his agent. Drew's got money tied up in endorsements and business ventures. As well as if you look at how the riots and protestors are so logical, he likely feared not only those investments, but also the homes he has. And likely the safety of his family.

he emasculated himself, for sure, but he has a lot going on.

 

[SojournerSteel]

to the contrary, Brees probably got an immediate call from his agent. Drew's got money tied up in endorsements and business ventures. As well as if you look at how the riots and protestors are so logical, he likely feared not only those investments, but also the homes he has. And likely the safety of his family.

he emasculated himself, for sure, but he has a lot going on.

He stepped in it. Are we to believe a man that savvy and shrewd in business (as you point out) and optics at this stage of his life was that ignorant about how his comments would be perceived at this time?

That a man with that refined a level of PR savvy would commit that level of unforced error at this time? Athletes if they learn nothing know to use cliches and not to give bulletin board material to adversaries.

Drew is Mr. Katrina and face of the NFL. He has done more for the black community than any 10 black players. If white person with street cred Drew Brees who always put his money where his mouth was can be and is racist, then certainly most/all whites are racist -- just ask Cope.

If Drew Brees can be singled out and ruined if he doesn't bow, what about Joe Blow down at the office who holds similar views?

Humiliation Rituals are done to enforce the Social Order.

If this wasn't a prescribed Humiliation Ritual, what could they have done differently to make it so?

You used the word, "emasculate." In primitive societies, that was the purpose of the Humiliation Ritual in order to "break" the young virile males for usefulness and entry into the "group" and its power structure.

Our hazing rituals and Masonic various public and private humiliations all have their roots in this phenomenon. The "builders" use it to great effect that "all may fear" in that the individual -- even the guy with the passing titles and key to the City -- is never bigger than the group diktats.

 

[Superman]

He stepped in it. Are we to believe a man that savvy and shrewd in business (as you point out) and optics at this stage of his life was that ignorant about how his comments would be perceived at this time?

That a man that PR savvy would commit that level of unforced error at this time?

Drew is Mr. Katrina and face of the NFL. He has done more for the black community than any 10 black players. If white person with street cred Drew Brees who always put his money where his mouth was can be and is racist, then certainly most/all whites are racist -- just ask Cope.

If Drew Brees can be singled out and ruined if he doesn't bow, what about Joe Blow down at the office who holds similar views?

Humiliation Rituals are done to enforce the Social Order.

If this wasn't a prescribed Humiliation Ritual, what could they have done differently to make it so?

what would he gain from it?
i only question what prompted him to just come out and make that video.