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Far right-wing terrorist murders two American heroes in Portland

Tibs, honest question - It seems like you are blaming Trump for this. Am I right? If so, how is that logically possible? Sorry if the responses to this are not the honest inquiry type. I promise my intent is just looking for perspective from you.
Djfan, no I'm not blaming Trump directly for the actions of this fascist madman in Portland. But in a wider context, there are some alarming trends. Think back to Trump's vitriolic campaign rallies, the inciteful hate speech that's been prevalent with him. Plus what's already been discussed, which is Trump recalibrating domestic counter-terrorism to exclude far right groups. So it's bits and pieces of a resurgent far-right which seems to be gradually getting stronger since Trump took office. Take for instance the anti-Muslim rallies being planned around the country by far right groups. Wouldn't you expect a president - regardless of party - to speak out against religious intolerance? Trump rode into the White House on the coattails of Bannon, the Breitbart alt-right and white supremacists. The genie is out of the bottle. It's time to stuff it back in, before things spiral completely out of control.
 
oneforthebus, read this and tell me with a straight face that you think ISIS represents Islam, or has anything to do with the Muslim faith.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Explosion in Karrada, Baghdad tonight near a popular ice cream shop. No respite from ISIS even in the holy month of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ramadan?src=hash">#Ramadan</a>. Cowards. <a href="https://t.co/3DhM1hCC5V">pic.twitter.com/3DhM1hCC5V</a></p>— Hayder al-Khoei (@Hayder_alKhoei) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hayder_alKhoei/status/869313880262103041">May 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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ISIS Killed Children When It Bombed A Popular Ice Cream Shop During Ramadan
https://www.buzzfeed.com/franciswhi...eam?utm_term=.kt0Ag6aayM&bffbnews#.muzEXQnnKy

The attack was one of two bombings that took place just hours apart in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad during the Muslim holy month, killing more than 20 people.

ISIS has claimed twin attacks on the Iraqi capital Baghdad on Tuesday that killed more than 20 people during the holy month of Ramadan.

New agencies citing anonymous officials reported that between 13 and 15 people were killed — including children — and dozens more were injured when a car bomb was detonated near a busy ice cream shop in the city's Karrada commercial district just after 12 a.m. Tuesday morning (5 p.m. ET Monday).

Images of the scene emerged on social media in the hours after the attack, showing the pavement covered in ice cream, blood, and debris. CCTV footage of the moment the bomb was detonated also began to circulate.

Other videos from the scene showed a significant number of injured people lying on the ground and on benches outside the shop, and a young girl wandering around in a daze, AP reported.

As Muslims fast in daylight hours during Ramadan, families will often stay up into the early hours of the morning and visit shops and eateries such as the one targeted in the attack. In recent years, Ramadan has seen an increase in violence in Iraq.

ISIS claimed the attack on its Amaq news outlet, saying it targeted a "gathering of Shia," the majority Muslim group in Iraq, whom the militants consider to be heretic.
 
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oneforthebus, read this and tell me with a straight face that you think ISIS represents Islam, or has anything to do with the Muslim faith.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Explosion in Karrada, Baghdad tonight near a popular ice cream shop. No respite from ISIS even in the holy month of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ramadan?src=hash">#Ramadan</a>. Cowards. <a href="https://t.co/3DhM1hCC5V">pic.twitter.com/3DhM1hCC5V</a></p>— Hayder al-Khoei (@Hayder_alKhoei) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hayder_alKhoei/status/869313880262103041">May 29, 2017</a></blockquote>
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ISIS Killed Children When It Bombed A Popular Ice Cream Shop During Ramadan
https://www.buzzfeed.com/franciswhi...eam?utm_term=.kt0Ag6aayM&bffbnews#.muzEXQnnKy

The attack was one of two bombings that took place just hours apart in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad during the Muslim holy month, killing more than 20 people.

Yes ISIS represents Islam. Islam is at war with the rest of the world but also at war with itself over who will be the Caliph of the Caliphate. Radical Moslems want to kill and enslave you and moderate Moslems don't care because they both have the same goal of imposing Sharia on the entire world.
 
I saw my Jewish neighbors hanging out with my Muslim neighbors this weekend. Of course, the Christian neighbor who forbids their children to play with the Muslim wasn't with them. Now what is fundamental and flawed about that?

The fundamental flaw with that is that you made up this story.
 
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But to say that Islam and terrorism are not connected is ridiculous and you know it. Why don't you believe these groups themselves when they tell you what they're all about? They aren't making any secret of it.

What do you make of Charles Manson thinking he's Jesus Christ?
 
The fundamental flaw with that is that you made up this story.

You wish it was made up, it's a different America that you're not familiar. It's also not made up that the Muslim mother is a divorced psychiatrist.
 
Getting back to the Portland train attack, the ****** is having his day in court. Lovely guy, ranting and raving. Here is what he had to say:

"I told him, 'You ain't gonna heal punk,'" Christian said, according to the affidavit. "And he still wants to put his hands on me. Die *****. ******* die. Stupid ************. That's what liberalism gets you."

"I hope they all die," Christian said, according to the affidavit.

"I'm gonna say that on the stand. I'm a patriot and I hope everyone I stabbed died."

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The White Supremacist Accused Of The Portland Train Stabbings Ranted About Patriotism In Court
https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoe...nce?utm_term=.rw87NpyyG1&bffbnews#.ai57ywEEPg
 
What do you make of Charles Manson thinking he's Jesus Christ?

I'd say what I've been saying all along in this thread, which is that Charles Manson was a drugged out wacko with a less than 10 followers, not a good guy at all, vs. radical Islam, which is an organized, well-funded, well-armed global movement with hundreds of thousands of adherents whose goal is world domination of the Muslim religion by violent force. Sorry you still can't seem to figure out why they are not the same, but I'm not going to bother trying to explain it anymore.
 
Djfan, no I'm not blaming Trump directly for the actions of this fascist madman in Portland. But in a wider context, there are some alarming trends. Think back to Trump's vitriolic campaign rallies, the inciteful hate speech that's been prevalent with him. Plus what's already been discussed, which is Trump recalibrating domestic counter-terrorism to exclude far right groups.

You don't even have a named source for that story, the story is about something the Trump administration supposedly "wants to do", it doesn't say who in the administration even suggested it, it hasn't happened, yet you keep repeating it like it's established fact. And you wonder why people call it fake news...

So it's bits and pieces of a resurgent far-right which seems to be gradually getting stronger since Trump took office. Take for instance the anti-Muslim rallies being planned around the country by far right groups. Wouldn't you expect a president - regardless of party - to speak out against religious intolerance? Trump rode into the White House on the coattails of Bannon, the Breitbart alt-right and white supremacists. The genie is out of the bottle. It's time to stuff it back in, before things spiral completely out of control.

You mean like Obama spoke out against the violent anti-police riots?
 
Nobody says there is no danger from white American radical groups (I'm not going to call them "right wing" because that's a misnomer)... We don't have to pretend that they have the same kind of reach, organization, funding, weapons and sheer numbers that radical Islamists have to do that.

Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing here. The 10,000+ strong, armed right wing militia called 3% plus a group called the Oathkeepers? You're saying they don't have the weapons, know-how, resources or manpower to pose a significant threat? I think some of these survivalist folks have their hearts in the right place, but any armed militia that operates outside of city, state, national law enforcement is helter skelter to me. That's not something anyone should feel comfortable with, if you still believe in any type of civil society.

This is an interesting 10 minute clip, to say the least. And yes, it opens with Timothy McVeigh, who else?

 
Exhibit A: When a far-right terrorist goes over the edge and becomes unhinged. Jeremy Christian in court today.


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Tibtard the Libtard and Troglofuck are on a mission to defend Muslim terrorists. Why, you may ask? Because they want the same outcome: the downfall of Western civilization. Those two pieces of **** are radical Islamic terrorists. The proof is in their posts.
 
If the overriding majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims weren't peaceful, we'd all be long dead.

In their sick, twisted minds they may think they're acting on behalf of Islam. But that is a perversion of the religion. I view fanatical Islamist terrorists as members of a perverse, evil cult, not one that is directly connected to - or even an offshoot of - the traditional Muslim faith itself. At best, it can be viewed as a ******* stepchild.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

1% of 1.6 Billion is 16 Million nutjobs devoted to killing us. That's like the total population of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston. That's a lot of ********.
 
1% of 1.6 Billion is 16 Million nutjobs devoted to killing us. That's like the total population of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston. That's a lot of ********.


And we could kill them all with 2 nukes, game over.
 
Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing here. The 10,000+ strong, armed right wing militia called 3% plus a group called the Oathkeepers? You're saying they don't have the weapons, know-how, resources or manpower to pose a significant threat? I think some of these survivalist folks have their hearts in the right place, but any armed militia that operates outside of city, state, national law enforcement is helter skelter to me. That's not something anyone should feel comfortable with, if you still believe in any type of civil society.

This is an interesting 10 minute clip, to say the least. And yes, it opens with Timothy McVeigh, who else?



Let me know when they start beheading journalists, burning hostages alive, mowing down innocent civilians in public places, detonating nail packed bombs in civilian crowds full of children...

Most of these people are preparing to defend themselves. They aren't actively slaughtering defenseless civilians to advance their cause. Am I more worried about them than I am about Islamists? Nope.
 
Exhibit A: When a far-right terrorist goes over the edge and becomes unhinged. Jeremy Christian in court today.


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And your point is? Does he have a well-armed, well-funded terrorist organization with hundreds of thousands of followers backing him? Or is he just a random violent wacko?
 
And your point is?
There is no point. This thread is specifically on this subject. I updated it with the latest development that he showed up in court. I imagine we'll be hearing from this sad sack of **** a lot as he seems intent on shouting out his manifesto regardless if people want to listen or not.
 
You cut off the neck of the snake, Syria and Afghanafuck, then the body dies.

Annihilate the entire population of Syria and Afghanistan, you'd only be left with 1,753,576,900 Muslims to contend with. I guess that's a start, Skippy.
 
I love the mental gymnastics and logical stretches that our resident socialists are making to draw an equivalence where there is none. This time in attempt to paint all conservatives as racists Tibs tries to tie the loan whacknut Bernie Sanders supporter to the 3% militia groups and the oath keepers. Of course the socialists would revile those two groups because they view the republic as bad and the Constitution as evil.
 
Of course the socialists would revile those two groups because they view the republic as bad and the Constitution as evil.
Just the opposite. I love the Republic and the Constitution is the foundation for everything. Hence why I prefer our police & military to be sworn to serve and protect both, not some conspiracy-theorist weekend warriors armed to the teeth hiding in the shadows.
 
Charles Manson was a drugged out wacko with a less than 10 followers vs. radical Islam, which is an organized, well-funded, well-armed global movement with hundreds of thousands of adherents whose goal is world domination of the Muslim religion by violent force. Sorry you still can't seem to figure out why they are not the same, but I'm not going to bother trying to explain it anymore.

Sorry is the logic that numbers, organization and money make you more connected and representative of a religion. Warren Jeffs, Jim Jones, Jerry Falwell, and Jim Baker had lots of followers/organization/money, So by your logic, they were more connected to Christianity than smaller, peaceful, benevolent churches.
 
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