Flores suing the NFL, alleges racism in coaching hiring practices.

[SteelerSask2]

So you have the Rooney rule to give minorities a chance at the jobs , and reflect the percentage of minorities in the country say 20%. The other 80% being white.
‘When will the have a white boy rule and make the percentage of players the same as in the country ? What about the NBA ? Damn that league must be racist , 80 % of it by my guess is Black. Shouldn’t they be adding a bunch of white boys to the teams. If your gonna have it one way you should have it both ways.

I'm not going to get to deep in this rabbit hole but if you are going to make this type of argument try to make it intelligent. No the NBA is not going to play white players to reflect the amount of white people in the US. Like c'mon. The concern in the NFL is you have a **** load of black players. You have a **** load of black position coaches. But that hasn't translated to the same ratio of coordinators or certainly HC'S. Now I'm not saying the rule is good or effective, but **** come up with an adult argument.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Just "how" does the Rooney Rule open the door for 'these type of accusations'??? Take you time - you got some 'splainin' to do...

It’s pretty simple. You MUST interview 2 minority candidates. So if you have a perfect candidate in mind you are forced to essentially interview at least 2 people who have no shot at the job. So Flores may have a point that it was already decided but that doesn’t make it racist. All the other white coaches were equally shut out because the Giants were set on Daboll.

Even with that flaw in the rule it still promotes minority coaches. Just being interviewed for a HC job raises a coach’s profile. People also do better in interviews the more they do it. So even if the interview was pointless in terms of getting the job, it is still a career builder. I bet there are several black assistants who have not been interviewed and would take any interview at all just to get their name out there.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I think the NFL could modify the rule. They could make a dream candidate exclusion. So if you hire the first guy you interview, you’re good. No point in wasting time. But if you interview more than 1 then Rooney rule applies.

That would eliminate the supposed sham interviews. But as I explained above, there is a value in getting interviewed even if you have no shot at the job.

 

[slashsteel]

So you have the Rooney rule to give minorities a chance at the jobs , and reflect the percentage of minorities in the country say 20%. The other 80% being white.
‘When will the have a white boy rule and make the percentage of players the same as in the country ? What about the NBA ? Damn that league must be racist , 80 % of it by my guess is Black. Shouldn’t they be adding a bunch of white boys to the teams. If your gonna have it one way you should have it both ways.

A white boy rule? You must have thought it was white boy day. (movie reference)

 

[slashsteel]

Before I forget Wednesday Flores will be on CBS mornings. That should be an interesting interview.

 

[bermudasteel]

It’s pretty simple. You MUST interview 2 minority candidates. So if you have a perfect candidate in mind you are forced to essentially interview at least 2 people who have no shot at the job. So Flores may have a point that it was already decided but that doesn’t make it racist. All the other white coaches were equally shut out because the Giants were set on Daboll.

Even with that flaw in the rule it still promotes minority coaches. Just being interviewed for a HC job raises a coach’s profile. People also do better in interviews the more they do it. So even if the interview was pointless in terms of getting the job, it is still a career builder. I bet there are several black assistants who have not been interviewed and would take any interview at all just to get their name out there.

Respectfully, as a Black man, I disagree.

Just because teams have to provide an opportunity for 2 minority candidates DOES NOT mean they HAVE TO hire them. Simple.

By the logic provided by "Sucks Dick In An Arena" - he feels that 'IF' the minority isn't hired---this is going to automatically start minorities to 'throw the race card because I wasn't selected'. I'm calling BULLCHYT.

All minorities want is a chance. If they get hired - great we can add one more to the list that only Coach Tomlin sits on. If not, well, we wait for next year or the next opportunity. Simple.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

It’s pretty simple. You MUST interview 2 minority candidates. So if you have a perfect candidate in mind you are forced to essentially interview at least 2 people who have no shot at the job. So Flores may have a point that it was already decided but that doesn’t make it racist. All the other white coaches were equally shut out because the Giants were set on Daboll.

Even with that flaw in the rule it still promotes minority coaches. Just being interviewed for a HC job raises a coach’s profile. People also do better in interviews the more they do it. So even if the interview was pointless in terms of getting the job, it is still a career builder. I bet there are several black assistants who have not been interviewed and would take any interview at all just to get their name out there.

I think I remember that the Steelers were almost set on selecting Russ Grimm as head coach but Tomlin pretty much knocked the interview out of the park.. I do believe the interview process has to be utilized to include the Rooney rule. If you use that Giants scenario with the Steelers, Tomlin would have never got the job.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

All minorities want is a chance. If they get hired - great we can add one more to the list that only Coach Tomlin sits on. If not, well, we wait for next year or the next opportunity. Simple.

I think Byron Leftwich was hired as the Jags head coach.
Flores had a better record than Tomlin this year and got fired. Imagine that....

 

[MTC]

The head coach thing he has a point unless several head coaches are hired…

But like the defensive coordinator position its more murky… they conflate the percentage of black players with the percentage of qualified people for the various positions… if your population percentage is 14% and you have 34% of a position like DC in a league… that isn’t going to be a large argument for racism

Now do you know who organized football really ***** on race wise? Hispanics…

The NFL is hugely popular among Hispanics, yet they are less likely to get scholarships from football and despite having a larger percentage of the country’s makeup, have less than 1% of the leagues players and similarly crappy representation among coaches…

I never understood the nfl and really most of the non baseball NA sports ignoring of asians and hispanics. Its idiotic… thats a huge talent pool for both players and strategic positions like HC and Coordinators that’s being ignored…

Nfl: no way jose

 

[bermudasteel]

I think Byron Leftwich was hired as the Jags head coach.
Flores had a better record than Tomlin this year and got fired. Imagine that....

Lefty hasn't been hired. The Jags went back to the drawing board so there's that.

As far as the chyt that happened in Miami - I can't speak to it since I don't follow them closely. Yes, Coach Flores had a nice closing season but it must be noted - Miami lost 7 straight and then went on a 7 game winning streak...

I don't know if that's a good measuring stick especially when looking at the entire career of both coaches. JMO.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Should that get a fine or a forfeit of pick(s) ?

Harrison has been fined $500,000 and We have been docked a 4th round pick for the Dolphins transgressions.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Should that get a fine or a forfeit of pick(s) ?

Right now it's just a "he saiid / she said" situation. I hear yaz but it's word against word.

Even though they are not the cheatriots, this will never go anywhere.




Salute the nation

 

[Man In The Arena]

It’s pretty simple. You MUST interview 2 minority candidates. So if you have a perfect candidate in mind you are forced to essentially interview at least 2 people who have no shot at the job. So Flores may have a point that it was already decided but that doesn’t make it racist. All the other white coaches were equally shut out because the Giants were set on Daboll.

Absolutely spot on. Had I responded, my response would have been almost verbatim. The Rooney rule is outdated and ineffective. It should be viewed as offensive to minority candidates who feel as if they are capable of getting an interview based on their own merit (and yes, I have heard professional class minority fans say that they ARE offended by the very premise of the rule). Forcing owners / managers to interview a candidate based on their race - and then having to go through the motions of not selecting that candidate, as witnessed by this very scenario, opens the door to accusations of "racism", thus continuing to fuel divide.

My hunch is that no wrongdoing will be uncovered and these allegations will likely cost Flores his NFL career. Unless, of course, Rooney, in an attempt to make a statement, steps in and offers him a position.

 

[Drink IRON City]

The 200k per loss part is gonna blow the top off the NFL. The owner should lose his franchise of there is supporting evidence of that. Same with the tampering piece.

Handjob b*b didn't lose his and he has been tampering for years...............!




Salute the nation

 

[MTC]

I have no idea why someone would come to this message board and bring that jaggoff ****. If you want to be here for a while and mix it up sometimes. Cool. But this man in the arena type person. Like get the **** out of here.

You’d be surprised how much the internet offers now. What is called “trolls” in the online world, they go to any social media outlet, forum board etc just to talk ****.

Gotta have thick skin on message boards, etc these days

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Lefty hasn't been hired. The Jags went back to the drawing board so there's that.

He would look good in black and gold (again).

My hunch is that no wrongdoing will be uncovered and these allegations will likely cost Flores his NFL career. Unless, of course, Rooney, in an attempt to make a statement, steps in and offers him a position.

Well, our DC job is open. Or if we're lucky, head coach.

 

[Sarge]

Even with that flaw in the rule it still promotes minority coaches. Just being interviewed for a HC job raises a coach’s profile. People also do better in interviews the more they do it. So even if the interview was pointless in terms of getting the job, it is still a career builder. I bet there are several black assistants who have not been interviewed and would take any interview at all just to get their name out there.

True story. I interviewed for a position in my company that I knew I had zero chance of getting. But, I did well enough that the people that interviewed me are asking me to interview for another position they expect to come open due to retirement. That type of experience is definitely a plus.

I know my scenario is different than a black NFL coaching candidate, but if you capitalize on your opportunity, it can help down the road.

 

[JP1977]

Respectfully, as a Black man, I disagree.

Just because teams have to provide an opportunity for 2 minority candidates DOES NOT mean they HAVE TO hire them. Simple.

By the logic provided by "Sucks Dick In An Arena" - he feels that 'IF' the minority isn't hired---this is going to automatically start minorities to 'throw the race card because I wasn't selected'. I'm calling BULLCHYT.

All minorities want is a chance. If they get hired - great we can add one more to the list that only Coach Tomlin sits on. If not, well, we wait for next year or the next opportunity. Simple.

Great post

 

[Man In The Arena]

He would look good in black and gold (again).

Well, our DC job is open. Or if we're lucky, head coach.

Hell, why stop there? Our OC sucks balls too!

 

[bermudasteel]

Absolutely spot on. Had I responded, my response would have been almost verbatim. The Rooney rule is outdated and ineffective. It should be viewed as offensive to minority candidates who feel as if they are capable of getting an interview based on their own merit (and yes, I have heard professional class minority fans say that they ARE offended by the very premise of the rule). Forcing owners / managers to interview a candidate based on their race - and then having to go through the motions of not selecting that candidate, as witnessed by this very scenario, opens the door to accusations of "racism", thus continuing to fuel divide.

My hunch is that no wrongdoing will be uncovered and these allegations will likely cost Flores his NFL career. Unless, of course, Rooney, in an attempt to make a statement, steps in and offers him a position.

Let me see if I can educate you from the mind and experience of someone who IS a minority and someone who has actually "broke thru the glass ceiling".

Sask already explained how the majority of players are minorities - go figure it just makes sense, right? If it doesn't we're gonna be here a while. There are also a host of minority assistants, scouts, training personnel, medical staff, etc...

But...as of NOW...there is ONLY ONE Black HC and ONLY ONE Hispanic HC. Out of 32 teams - does the math seem right? No one that I have talked to is asking for 50:50 in the HC world (at the NFL level). But increasing the number should be a concern for all Americans---since we boast equality and chyt to the rest of the world, right??

Now, let's get personal...

My family here know me quite well because I'm not afraid to be transparent when I need to be. I'll share with you.

Berm - HS honors grad, also holds 2 Master's degrees, a handful of certifications in Information Technology, 9 years of service to this great country in the US Army and I've spent the last 22 years climbing the corporate ladder in IT.

I had to work very hard to get to management. Spend exorbitant amounts of money, during the early years to maintain my certifications, and no lie---as a Black man, in IT, I had to shine brighter in order to represent the company(ies) for big paying customers. I had a non-minority colleague, the kid was from Canada, he had an alphabet of abbreviations in his signature---it was scary. The company threw BIG MONEY at this kid to bring him to Bermuda in hopes that he'd be an example and the cash cow for those global insurance and reinsurance companies. The boy was DUMB AS A BOX of rocks and faked everything on his resume---the company lost hundreds of thousands in revenue and court fees. How does this relate???

Tape and yourself believe that NFL teams should be able to 'shorten the process' if they have their dream candidate regardless of creed or color. If a team has truly fallen in love w/ the candidate - why spend the time and money on other candidates? Why should they come on time to an interview that has been scheduled? What's wrong with coming to the interview dressed in last night's suit and smelling like a distillery??? Yes, that's the employer I want to work for...

Lastly, my first interview transitioning from US Army to the corporate world---I'll be quick. My full name on paper, without you knowing me, is Scottish Irish. Wanna know what the interview panel did when a Black man walked thru the door? Mouths dropped. Most stared. And then the most brazen one stated, "I see that your name is '______________', why aren't you white w/ freckles and red hair???" Bermuda promptly performed the best about-face and walked out.

Hopefully, you can see the world a bit differently now---since it's not a rosy colored as some would have you believe. Hard work is required to succeed but sometimes hard work is overlooked simply because the applicant's skin is a darker hue than what is or may be desired. Facts.

 

[madinsomniac]

Absolutely spot on. Had I responded, my response would have been almost verbatim. The Rooney rule is outdated and ineffective. It should be viewed as offensive to minority candidates who feel as if they are capable of getting an interview based on their own merit (and yes, I have heard professional class minority fans say that they ARE offended by the very premise of the rule). Forcing owners / managers to interview a candidate based on their race - and then having to go through the motions of not selecting that candidate, as witnessed by this very scenario, opens the door to accusations of "racism", thus continuing to fuel divide.

My hunch is that no wrongdoing will be uncovered and these allegations will likely cost Flores his NFL career. Unless, of course, Rooney, in an attempt to make a statement, steps in and offers him a position.

The rooney rule was supposed to get minority candidates experience interviewing for head coaching jobs… before it many clubs only interviewed one guy they predestined for the job… it wasn’t supposed to end that practice, it was just supposed to get their names out and give them a heads up of what franchises are looking for

 

[MTC]

Let me see if I can educate you from the mind and experience of someone who IS a minority and someone who has actually "broke thru the glass ceiling".

Sask already explained how the majority of players are minorities - go figure it just makes sense, right? If it doesn't we're gonna be here a while. There are also a host of minority assistants, scouts, training personnel, medical staff, etc...

But...as of NOW...there is ONLY ONE Black HC and ONLY ONE Hispanic HC. Out of 32 teams - does the math seem right? No one that I have talked to is asking for 50:50 in the HC world (at the NFL level). But increasing the number should be a concern for all Americans---since we boast equality and chyt to the rest of the world, right??

Now, let's get personal...

My family here know me quite well because I'm not afraid to be transparent when I need to be. I'll share with you.

Berm - HS honors grad, also holds 2 Master's degrees, a handful of certifications in Information Technology, 9 years of service to this great country in the US Army and I've spent the last 22 years climbing the corporate ladder in IT.

I had to work very hard to get to management. Spend exorbitant amounts of money, during the early years to maintain my certifications, and no lie---as a Black man, in IT, I had to shine brighter in order to represent the company(ies) for big paying customers. I had a non-minority colleague, the kid was from Canada, he had an alphabet of abbreviations in his signature---it was scary. The company threw BIG MONEY at this kid to bring him to Bermuda in hopes that he'd be an example and the cash cow for those global insurance and reinsurance companies. The boy was DUMB AS A BOX of rocks and faked everything on his resume---the company lost hundreds of thousands in revenue and court fees. How does this relate???

Tape and yourself believe that NFL teams should be able to 'shorten the process' if they have their dream candidate regardless of creed or color. If a team has truly fallen in love w/ the candidate - why spend the time and money on other candidates? Why should they come on time to an interview that has been scheduled? What's wrong with coming to the interview dressed in last night's suit and smelling like a distillery??? Yes, that's the employer I want to work for...

Lastly, my first interview transitioning from US Army to the corporate world---I'll be quick. My full name on paper, without you knowing me, is Scottish Irish. Wanna know what the interview panel did when a Black man walked thru the door? Mouths dropped. Most stared. And then the most brazen one stated, "I see that your name is '______________', why aren't you white w/ freckles and red hair???" Bermuda promptly performed the best about-face and walked out.

Hopefully, you can see the world a bit differently now---since it's not a rosy colored as some would have you believe. Hard work is required to succeed but sometimes hard work is overlooked simply because the applicant's skin is a darker hue than what is or may be desired. Facts.

^^^
This. I’m hispanic. Some think we take government handouts or something. **** no. The struggle was real here lol.


I don’t speak an ounce of spanish though. I only know pinche cavron joto mao way

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I think Byron Leftwich was hired as the Jags head coach.
Flores had a better record than Tomlin this year and got fired. Imagine that....

Miami Dolphins finished with a 9-8 record (.529 win percentage) this year.
Pittsburgh Steelers finished with a 9-7-1 record (.559 win percentage) this year.
.559 >.529. Flores' Dolphins had a worse record than Tomlin's Steelers this year.

Edit: Leftwich has not been hired as the Jags head coach.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Hell, why stop there? Our OC sucks balls too!

The OC is still under contract for another year. Team's recent history indicates that they don't fire assistant coaches who are under contract no matter how bad they suck at their job, they just wait for their contract to run out. Art II doesn't want to pay anyone not to work and also pay another coach to to their job.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Miami Dolphins finished with a 9-8 record (.529 win percentage) this year.
Pittsburgh Steelers finished with a 9-7-1 record (.559 win percentage) this year.
.559 >.529. Flores' Dolphins had a worse record than Tomlin's Steelers this year.

Edit: Leftwich has not been hired as the Jags head coach.

Those ties mess ya up. I call 9-8 better than 9-7-1 when the 1 is to a winless team.