Technically, regular season records are separate from post-season records. But, I see where you're coming from.
Flores suing the NFL, alleges racism in coaching hiring practices.
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I for one like Brian Flores and think he did a good job this past season.
If these allegations about owner Steven Ross are true, then the NFL needs to take serious actions against him. Once you start altering the outcome of the football game by tanking, the integrity goes out the door. People will stop believing in the product on the field. I just heard Hue Jackson is making the same allegations when he was in Cleveland. Not good for the game!
If these allegations about owner Steven Ross are true, then the NFL needs to take serious actions against him. Once you start altering the outcome of the football game by tanking, the integrity goes out the door. People will stop believing in the product on the field. I just heard Hue Jackson is making the same allegations when he was in Cleveland. Not good for the game!
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The burden of proof will be on Flores and Jackson to prove what they are alleging.
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His name is Seamus Macdonald
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Fair play? How is it not a crime?
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High Jackson says he was paid to lose as well?!?! No Hue, y’all just really sucked that bad…quit making excuses you coat tail rider
I am sure this type of thing has been going on in all sports with a draft process for decades. Heck,on this board you have many people for tanking the last few games for a higher draft position. The difference is now.......people talk about it. The once unwritten rule about what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room is long gone.
I have always advocated for playing to win. And I agree it’s not a good look for the league. But for people to come out surprised by this happening? They just happened to get caught.
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What I find best about it all is that Flores alleges he was directed to lose games, and perhaps money even changed hands somewhere to ensure that happened...
Then Flores was fired as coach because... you know, losing.
Then Flores was fired as coach because... you know, losing.
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So how does a guy like Darth Hoodie come to know of other teams' internal decisions days before its announced?
Is it the old boys club or does he want others to know that his special "intel" still works?
And why, ego aside, would he want it known that he "was in the know?"
If I owned the Gints, I would want to know how the **** that Bellicheat knew this and caused my team such a fuss.
Is it the old boys club or does he want others to know that his special "intel" still works?
And why, ego aside, would he want it known that he "was in the know?"
If I owned the Gints, I would want to know how the **** that Bellicheat knew this and caused my team such a fuss.
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Geez, seems like they probably woulda had a couple drinks all ready for ya......if you could go back and do it again, would you have stayed and played with them for a bit?
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The key word here is "alleges". My guess is there are no texts, emails, or any other correspondence that he is able to produce which would support his accusation.
I posted a link to an article from the Miami Herald in the last page or so. It sounds like he was fired for more than losing.
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Were they caught? Or are there just disgruntled former employees making accusations after being terminated?
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NFL jumping to Stephen Ross' defense after Brian Flores' tanking allegations is asinine
If Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered to pay coach Brian Flores a $100,000 bonus for every loss during the 2019 season — as Flores alleges in a new federal lawsuit — then the NFL should force Ross to sell the franchise and ban him from the league.
Such a claim calls into question the very competitive integrity of the game. Even other NFL team owners, who will generally always work to protect their own, should be outraged. Yes, tanking, in general, happens. It's one thing to not be active in free agency or push for every competitive advantage in a season with little hope.
But a stated “pay-to-lose” bonus structure in an effort to improve draft position is different.
At least we hoped.
Such a proposal could even be illegal, although the NFL shouldn’t care if it rises to the attention of federal prosecutors. This merits a full-scale independent investigation on football and business principles alone.
Instead, the league has already dismissed everything else Flores alleges in his lawsuit, deeming it “without merit” even though there hasn’t been enough time for even a cursory investigation.
This is a horrible look for the NFL. A near criminal look. It’s shocking, even by its circle-the-wagon, old boys club ownership culture.
Flores, who is Black and the son of Honduran immigrants, was the Dolphins head coach from 2019-2021. He compiled a 24-25 record, including winning seasons his final two years. He was fired anyway. It was in 2019, his first year in Miami, that the lawsuit says his relationship with Ross began to sour.
It wasn’t that the Dolphins would finish just 5-11. It was that they didn’t do worse.
“[T]he writing had been on the wall since Mr. Flores’ first season as Head Coach of the Dolphins, when he refused his owner’s directive to ‘tank’ for the first pick in the draft,” the lawsuit states.
“Indeed, during the 2019 season, Miami’s owner, Stephen Ross, told Mr. Flores that he would pay him $100,000 for every loss, and the team’s General Manager, Chris Grier, told Mr. Flores that ‘Steve’ was ‘mad’ that Mr. Flores’ success in winning games that year was ‘compromising [the team’s] draft position,'” the suit continues.
In terms of pure football, this is the most serious allegation that can be made against a team owner, even bigger than a separate allegation that Ross, around that same time, tried to tamper with “a veteran quarterback” that Joe Schad of the Palm Beach Post reported was Tom Brady.
Miami, which started the 2019 season 0-7, rallied late in the year and won three of its final five games. It ended up picking fifth overall in the draft.
Ross, 81, bought a majority interest in the team in 2008. It hasn’t won a single playoff game under his watch.
Is the allegation true? There is no way of knowing at this moment, but it does mention a third party — Grier — who would be able to make this more than a simple he said/he said. Did Flores contemporaneously tell anyone else about the tanking bonus? Are there any written documents? Did Grier mention it elsewhere? Did Ross speak to anyone else about this?
There are dozens of people to interview and endless data to comb through. Yet the NFL has already brushed it all off. Obviously, the league is going to defend itself. Flores went nuclear by filing a federal lawsuit and the NFL is on its heels.
But this goes beyond the league’s hiring and firing culture. It goes beyond civil payouts. It is a significant allegation that stands both aside and on its own. If true, it is an insult to players, fans, broadcast partners, sponsors, gambling interests and everyone else who expects a fair game.
The league has gone to the wall to investigate a supposed bounty ring in New Orleans and the inflation levels of footballs in New England. Outside law firms. “Independent” investigations. Days in federal court.
Yet on this … it’s just an instant denial and a blind backing of a franchise owner?
The NFL is riding high right now. Huge television ratings, young stars and exciting games.
Is it really going to risk all of that for Stephen Ross?
If anything, the NFL should welcome an investigation in an effort to prove — as much as possible — the charges to be false. It’s a step in trying to limit the enormous damage to the league’s credibility this can cause in the court of public opinion. And if it finds merit in the story, then it should want to rid itself of someone such as Stephen Ross.
Flores brought the story to light in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in the Southern District of New York that claims racial discrimination in the league’s coaching hiring processes.
NFL jumping to Stephen Ross' defense after Brian Flores' tanking allegations is asinine
If the Dolphins owner offered Flores $100K for each loss in 2019, it would call into question the competitive integrity of the game. The NFL should want to investigate that. Apparently it doesn't.
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Holy cow! He claims $100K to throw a game as well!
Jackson replied by saying he “can back up every word I’m saying.”
Jackson responded to a tweet about the case by saying Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “was happy while we kept losing” and then wrote “trust me it was a good number” in response to someone who said Haslam wasn’t offering $100,000 per loss.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...s-paid-extra-for-losses-as-browns-head-coach/
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SkilletLooks like someone is laying it on thick.
Brian Flores: I was ‘humiliated’ walking into ‘sham’ Giants interview
Former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores got candid about the explosive lawsuit he filed against the NFL, saying he was “humiliated” by going into an interview with the Giants for a head coaching position he knew he wasn’t going to get.
“It was a range of emotions,” Flores said while appearing on “CBS Mornings” Wednesday. “Humiliation. Disbelief. Anger. I worked so hard to get where I am in football to become a head coach. To go in on what was a sham interview, I was hurt.”
Flores’ attorneys, also appearing on CBS, asserted that the Giants were “just trying to comply with the Rooney Rule,” a rule enacted by the league that requires teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and football operations jobs.
A rule, that Flores stated, has been twisted far beyond its’ original meaning.
“The Rooney Rule was intended to give minorities an opportunity to sit down with ownership,” Flores said. “What it’s turned into, it’s just guys checking a box.”
Brian Flores: I was ‘humiliated’ walking into ‘sham’ Giants interview
Former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores got candid about the explosive lawsuit he filed against the NFL after a “sham” Giants interview.nypost.com
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I just don't see it. Where's the humiliation? Waste of time? Maybe , but what if Daboll didn't take the Job? Maybe flores was their 2nd option so hiw can anyone really tell if it's a token interview or not?Looks like someone is laying it on thick.
Brian Flores: I was ‘humiliated’ walking into ‘sham’ Giants interview
Former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores got candid about the explosive lawsuit he filed against the NFL, saying he was “humiliated” by going into an interview with the Giants for a head coaching position he knew he wasn’t going to get.
“It was a range of emotions,” Flores said while appearing on “CBS Mornings” Wednesday. “Humiliation. Disbelief. Anger. I worked so hard to get where I am in football to become a head coach. To go in on what was a sham interview, I was hurt.”
Flores’ attorneys, also appearing on CBS, asserted that the Giants were “just trying to comply with the Rooney Rule,” a rule enacted by the league that requires teams to interview minority candidates for head coaching and football operations jobs.
A rule, that Flores stated, has been twisted far beyond its’ original meaning.
“The Rooney Rule was intended to give minorities an opportunity to sit down with ownership,” Flores said. “What it’s turned into, it’s just guys checking a box.”
Brian Flores: I was ‘humiliated’ walking into ‘sham’ Giants interview
Former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores got candid about the explosive lawsuit he filed against the NFL after a “sham” Giants interview.
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GravelNFL jumping to Stephen Ross' defense after Brian Flores' tanking allegations is asinine
If Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered to pay coach Brian Flores a $100,000 bonus for every loss during the 2019 season — as Flores alleges in a new federal lawsuit — then the NFL should force Ross to sell the franchise and ban him from the league.
Such a claim calls into question the very competitive integrity of the game. Even other NFL team owners, who will generally always work to protect their own, should be outraged. Yes, tanking, in general, happens. It's one thing to not be active in free agency or push for every competitive advantage in a season with little hope.
But a stated “pay-to-lose” bonus structure in an effort to improve draft position is different.
At least we hoped.
Such a proposal could even be illegal, although the NFL shouldn’t care if it rises to the attention of federal prosecutors. This merits a full-scale independent investigation on football and business principles alone.
Instead, the league has already dismissed everything else Flores alleges in his lawsuit, deeming it “without merit” even though there hasn’t been enough time for even a cursory investigation.
This is a horrible look for the NFL. A near criminal look. It’s shocking, even by its circle-the-wagon, old boys club ownership culture.
Flores, who is Black and the son of Honduran immigrants, was the Dolphins head coach from 2019-2021. He compiled a 24-25 record, including winning seasons his final two years. He was fired anyway. It was in 2019, his first year in Miami, that the lawsuit says his relationship with Ross began to sour.
It wasn’t that the Dolphins would finish just 5-11. It was that they didn’t do worse.
“[T]he writing had been on the wall since Mr. Flores’ first season as Head Coach of the Dolphins, when he refused his owner’s directive to ‘tank’ for the first pick in the draft,” the lawsuit states.
“Indeed, during the 2019 season, Miami’s owner, Stephen Ross, told Mr. Flores that he would pay him $100,000 for every loss, and the team’s General Manager, Chris Grier, told Mr. Flores that ‘Steve’ was ‘mad’ that Mr. Flores’ success in winning games that year was ‘compromising [the team’s] draft position,'” the suit continues.
In terms of pure football, this is the most serious allegation that can be made against a team owner, even bigger than a separate allegation that Ross, around that same time, tried to tamper with “a veteran quarterback” that Joe Schad of the Palm Beach Post reported was Tom Brady.
Miami, which started the 2019 season 0-7, rallied late in the year and won three of its final five games. It ended up picking fifth overall in the draft.
Ross, 81, bought a majority interest in the team in 2008. It hasn’t won a single playoff game under his watch.
Is the allegation true? There is no way of knowing at this moment, but it does mention a third party — Grier — who would be able to make this more than a simple he said/he said. Did Flores contemporaneously tell anyone else about the tanking bonus? Are there any written documents? Did Grier mention it elsewhere? Did Ross speak to anyone else about this?
There are dozens of people to interview and endless data to comb through. Yet the NFL has already brushed it all off. Obviously, the league is going to defend itself. Flores went nuclear by filing a federal lawsuit and the NFL is on its heels.
But this goes beyond the league’s hiring and firing culture. It goes beyond civil payouts. It is a significant allegation that stands both aside and on its own. If true, it is an insult to players, fans, broadcast partners, sponsors, gambling interests and everyone else who expects a fair game.
The league has gone to the wall to investigate a supposed bounty ring in New Orleans and the inflation levels of footballs in New England. Outside law firms. “Independent” investigations. Days in federal court.
Yet on this … it’s just an instant denial and a blind backing of a franchise owner?
The NFL is riding high right now. Huge television ratings, young stars and exciting games.
Is it really going to risk all of that for Stephen Ross?
If anything, the NFL should welcome an investigation in an effort to prove — as much as possible — the charges to be false. It’s a step in trying to limit the enormous damage to the league’s credibility this can cause in the court of public opinion. And if it finds merit in the story, then it should want to rid itself of someone such as Stephen Ross.
Flores brought the story to light in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in the Southern District of New York that claims racial discrimination in the league’s coaching hiring processes.
NFL jumping to Stephen Ross' defense after Brian Flores' tanking allegations is asinine
If the Dolphins owner offered Flores $100K for each loss in 2019, it would call into question the competitive integrity of the game. The NFL should want to investigate that. Apparently it doesn't.sports.yahoo.com
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This lawsuit should throw the spotlight on the whole corporate\woke bullshit issue… the NFL has literally been pointing it’s finger, lecturing the fanbase on racism, literally calling all white fans racist. it’s really a captive audience… MLB, NFL, NBA, Nascar, on and on… where is the sports fan to go? But what’s really behind the wokeism is the “great reset” and racism is a cornerstone to the political shenanigans that’s gripped America. The ends must justify the means. But if corporations really cared about blacks they would simply fix the problems. simply hire more blacks, they have the power we don’t. there is literally nothing the average fan can do about systemic racism. One can argue if “systemic racism” really even exists, other than as a political issue. If the accusations made in the NFL wokeism ads were remotely true, those black men would be very rich, as they would have the biggest class action lawsuit in history! Any black fella that walks into a lawyers office and says I got proof I’m make less money than my coworkers because my race or my property has been evaluated to be worth less because my race.… is going to be a rich man! We have laws against racism already! except in the minds of Jesus screaming liberals I guess. I’m glad someone is calling out the NFL. this is a complex issue as to how all these organizations, companies, networks all began preaching wokeism at the same time as Russiagate, then the impeachments, then covid which all lead to one of the most bizarre elections of all time… which leads to my point… why racism? The ends (wiping out racism) justifies the means! But was wiping out racism really accomplished? No not according to this law suit! And as most black folks can attest to.. their lives are no better now than they were before the trillions of dollars were printed in the name of curing “systemic racism”. Sorry for the rant but can’t take anymore fake NFL wokeism!
interesting debate… a player or coach throwing a game can be illegal for certain reasons, but an owner asking you to lose for a better pick is in a huge legal gray area… i mean it’s unethical but I don’t think that it’s breaking any laws… especially since the tickets are sold as pure entertainment…
Man id love to hear those arguments on either side…
Man id love to hear those arguments on either side…
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Perhaps Darth Bill heard from his ole buddies in NY that they actually WERE planning on hiring Flores pending his interview and mayhaps it was FLORES who blew the interview off because he believed it was a waste of his ******* time.
Hmmmm. Conspiracy Wig's antennae are picking up whispers. I need me some TIN FOIL!
In other news, Flores ALSO launched a civil action suit against the NFL and NFLPA due to their racist hiring practices. He hired the law firm of Pale, Pasty and Sunburned to represent all the white kids that never get invited to the combine, much less drafted. In a media statement Flores said "Clearly there's a significant racial bias in this league and we aim to stomp it out, pull it up by the roots, stop it dead in its tracks, whatever y'all want to call it."
As I understand it, the main stream media is ALL OVER IT!
Hmmmm. Conspiracy Wig's antennae are picking up whispers. I need me some TIN FOIL!
In other news, Flores ALSO launched a civil action suit against the NFL and NFLPA due to their racist hiring practices. He hired the law firm of Pale, Pasty and Sunburned to represent all the white kids that never get invited to the combine, much less drafted. In a media statement Flores said "Clearly there's a significant racial bias in this league and we aim to stomp it out, pull it up by the roots, stop it dead in its tracks, whatever y'all want to call it."
As I understand it, the main stream media is ALL OVER IT!