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FordFairLane draft grades

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Devin Bush LB Michigan

Now I am going to take into consideration Bush cost us a our first, second and a 2020 third. This is my concern we gave up a lot (correct value though) for a linebacker under 6’ tall. I cannot think of a hall of fame or even pro bowl MLB that is under 6’ besides Zach Thomas and maybe London Fletcher. That said I like Bush and I like him better than White whom is roughly the same size and went ahead of Bush. The Steeler identified a need and the best player in the draft to fill it and to get that player they figured they’d have to get ahead of the Bengals. Well, they did and this draft and next draft will largely be defined by the player Bush becomes. I for one will be cheering and rooting for him as loud as any.

Pros- Quick twitch athlete who is a natural leader and very cerebral when running the defense. He has the ability to blitz, shoot gaps, tackle, and even the ability to flip his hips and run with a back.

Cons- Size is the biggest concern (no pun intended) and with that concern comes covering larger TE’s up the seam and his ability stack and shed larger offensive linemen.

C+ (again I like the player but if what we gave up was worth it is yet to be seen)

Diontae Johnson WR Toledo

I know this is the least favorite of our picks but looking at some of the bigger draft boards like CBS #37, Draft Countdown #27, and NFL Draft Scout #45. And the fact Bruce Arians was going to take him after if the Steelers didn’t makes me ok with where we go him.

Pros- Elite when getting off the line which is usually a huge learning curve in the NFL. Awesome change of direction skills, and one of if not the best at tracking the ball in the air. The two things the great ones do is get off the line and track the ball in the air. He can do both.

Cons- Average athlete, below average size, with very small hands which is the kicker for me.

B

Justin Layne CB Michigan State

This is the definition of a boom or bust pick. Layne tested off the charts but his lack of technique is going to get him beat like a redheaded stepchild.

Pros- Impressive size for a CB at nearly 6-2, with long arms, and wingspan. Fluid athlete with better long speed that quick twitch but very smooth in his transitions.

Cons- Former wide receiver who doesn’t understand basic concepts of the game being coached by a team notoriously bad at developing CB’s.

B-

Benny Snell RB Kentucky

This is a very high floor but low ceiling type player in my opinion. I think Snell would be a great backup and even a decent starter in a pinch but I don’t see him taking the starting job from Connor or even JaySam if Connor gets hurt.

Pros- Very nice lower center of gravity and with that balance bounces off some would be tacklers. Above average vision and allows blocks to develop. Good size and proven success as a three year starter. One cut and up which is a very successful style in the NFL. Very good in Pass Protection which is my favorite thing about him.

Cons- Below average athlete. Lots of miles on those legs. Not a pass catching threat.

C

Zach Gentry TE Michigan

Felt like the team had a huge hole missing with James gone and was damn sure they were going to fill it with this pick. Truth his Gentry reminds me a ton of Matt Spaeth as he was probably overly productive as a pass catcher in College and will likely be an extra offensive lineman in the pros.

Pros- Imposing size at 6-8 1/8. Had a huge year catching the football with 32 grabs at 514 yards. Seems to understand zone and soft spots and did a nice job on drag routes.

Cons- Two touchdowns when you are 6-8? Very slow and extremely tight hips. Not very good hands and had some very crucial drops. His blocking is average at best. For a guy of his size he doesn’t offer much else.

C

Sutton Smith Edge NIU

Dude might be the most productive player we have ever drafted. 56 TFL and 29 sacks the last two seasons. WOW. He is like mighty mouse out there but is a special teams stud and I feel that is where he makes his money.

Pros- Quick off the snap and gets low to turn the corner. Non stop motor and is always running hot. Very agile and has good feet movement. Outstanding special teamer and plays those snaps with same intensity.

Cons- Drastically undersized with short arms and small hands. Not sure he will even have a position.

C

Isaiah Buggs DL Alabama

I hate Alabama players as they have a HUGE bust rate but taking one this late isn’t so bad. Buggs has a shot at a rotational roll or backup roll with the Steelers and would be a good candidate for the practice squad.

Pros- Good motor and is always active during the play. Experienced in the 34 and our defensive line coach. Had a monster year with 9.5 sacks.

Cons- Not a great athlete and is just another guy. Looks like he is maxed out physically. Short arms, small hands, not explosive ect

C

Ulysees Grant III LB Akron

I was a little confused by this pick and then I started to think about our defense when Shaz went down and we had nothing behind him. I think Grant can backup Bush and be a special teamer and maybe some sub packages in a year or two. Good PS candidate.

Pros- Quick LB with plus coverage skills. Better than average coverage skills. Read and react linebacker.

Cons- Size and strength will be a battle in the NFL.

B

Derwin Gray OL Maryland

Powerful lineman with good length and athleticism. Probably kicks inside to help with his footwork but could be a nice replacement for Foster in two seasons. He again is a likely candidate for PS.

Pros- Long arms, powerful, nasty lineman who doesn’t try to win but destroy his matchup.

Cons- Slow to recognize at times and doesn’t have the footwork to stay at tackle. Project.

B
 
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Thanks for the work Ford. I think you are a little low on both Bush & Snell grade, time will tell.




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Good write up but really can't agree with the grades. A C+ for Bush is way out of bounds even considering the trade factor. Dude is considered one of the best players in the draft, plus he is at our (by far) biggest area of need. The worst you can give the pick is an A- and that would be taking into consideration the trade up. I mean you're giving a top 10 player in the entire draft the worst grade of any of our picks.
 
Good write up but really can't agree with the grades. A C+ for Bush is way out of bounds even considering the trade factor.
Bingo. I agree with Alex Kozora on this one.

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For me Bush is a B grade due to the cost of taking him, besides that he has the tools to thrive at the NFL

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Good write up but really can't agree with the grades. A C+ for Bush is way out of bounds even considering the trade factor. Dude is considered one of the best players in the draft, plus he is at our (by far) biggest area of need. The worst you can give the pick is an A- and that would be taking into consideration the trade up. I mean you're giving a top 10 player in the entire draft the worst grade of any of our picks.

When I do my write up I take off the rose colored glasses and think what would I say if this was the Packers or Jaguars and I really didn't care. When I do that I see the Steelers gave up a 2nd and 3rd for an ILB under 6' tall. Now Bush has a lot of athleticism which improves his stock but I don't want to see him on Njoku or Kelce ever.

If he ends up being London Fletcher it was worth it. If not we gave up a lot to get him.
 
For me Bush is a B grade due to the cost of taking him, besides that he has the tools to thrive at the NFL
I think what's being underappreciated at this stage, is the type of leadership Bush will bring to this defense. From all I've seen and read, his intangibles are through the roof, above and beyond his play on the field. That's what makes this a home run A+ pick for me. The Steelers saw a kid who can come in and orchestrate this defense, be a stand-up, vocal leader from that middle linebacker spot. They identified him as such at a very early stage, then went back and sent the house in evaluating him and confirming what they thought about him. Everyone from Colbert, to Tomlin to the position coaches and scouts. Having that type of personality and communication skills makes him a special player. One special enough the Steelers felt confident in moving up to get him.
 
I think what's being underappreciated at this stage, is the type of leadership Bush will bring to this defense. From all I've seen and read, his intangibles are through the roof, above and beyond his play on the field. That's what makes this a home run A+ pick for me. The Steelers saw a kid who can come in and orchestrate this defense, be a stand-up, vocal leader from that middle linebacker spot. They identified him as such at a very early stage, then went back and sent the house in evaluating him and confirming what they thought about him. Everyone from Colbert, to Tomlin to the position coaches and scouts. Having that type of personality and communication skills makes him a special player. One special enough the Steelers felt confident in moving up to get him.
Yeap agree about the intangibles: leader, humble, high motor, fully committed. But he needs to be a Real playmaker to be worth the capital invested and his stats only shows sacks as explosive plays is concerned, minimal interceptions and forced fumbles .

I really hopes he becomes all that as he has the athleticism and probably the transformation of his body he went through for the combine will help him become a true force but until then he is a B for me

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When I do my write up I take off the rose colored glasses and think what would I say if this was the Packers or Jaguars and I really didn't care. When I do that I see the Steelers gave up a 2nd and 3rd for an ILB under 6' tall. Now Bush has a lot of athleticism which improves his stock but I don't want to see him on Njoku or Kelce ever.

If he ends up being London Fletcher it was worth it. If not we gave up a lot to get him.

I wasn't going to say anything although I did agree with what the poster said. But rose colored glasses is a bullshit statement. You simply didn't like the pick, other people loved it. So just because you didn't doesn't make them a homer. In all truth you like the other Bush haters that bought into his height propaganda. You know that one inch that can be made up easily from a player with hops and speed.
 
White is one inch taller nobody says he’s to short and bush can jump 3 1/2 inches higher, He will be calling the plays day one (paraphrasing Colbert)this means Vinny doesn’t have to be out in nickel or dimes anymore that should automatically raise his grade one slot alone.
 
I saw an interview where they asked Bush about a story were a referee came over to the Michigan coaches during a game and asked if they had the other teams playbook and they said, “No. Why?” The referee said Bush was calling out all of their plays before the snap. That is some Patriot stuff right there. Bush was asked about it and said he loves to study film.
 
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When I do my write up I take off the rose colored glasses and think what would I say if this was the Packers or Jaguars and I really didn't care. When I do that I see the Steelers gave up a 2nd and 3rd for an ILB under 6' tall. Now Bush has a lot of athleticism which improves his stock but I don't want to see him on Njoku or Kelce ever.

If he ends up being London Fletcher it was worth it. If not we gave up a lot to get him.

HOF Nick Buoniconti, Sam Mills, Zach Thomas and Elvis Dumervil all say Hi... all 5’11” (Mills was 5’9”)


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I wasn't going to say anything although I did agree with what the poster said. But rose colored glasses is a bullshit statement. You simply didn't like the pick, other people loved it. So just because you didn't doesn't make them a homer. In all truth you like the other Bush haters that bought into his height propaganda. You know that one inch that can be made up easily from a player with hops and speed.

"height propaganda"

So its not true that he's short for his height?
 
I saw an interview where they asked Bush about a story were a referee came over to the Michigan coaches during a game and asked if they had the other teams playbook and they said, “No. Why?” The referee said Bush was calling out all of their plays before the snap. That is some Patriot stuff right there. Bush was asked about it and said he is loves to study film.

Whaaa??! But we hate when a team/player can do that...right???! That must mean....either the pats actually WERE that good, or devin bush....is a ch-ch-cheater??! :shocked:

*gulp*
 
"height propaganda"

So its not true that he's short for his height?

It isn't true that he won't be able to cover TE's due to his height. Especially with the Steelers drafting the only 6'8 TE.
 
Whaaa??! But we hate when a team/player can do that...right???! That must mean....either the pats actually WERE that good, or devin bush....is a ch-ch-cheater??! :shocked:

*gulp*

pats got caught cheating and was punished for said cheating. so your angle is a reach at best.....
 
Bobby Wagner 6 foot
Erik Kendricks 6 foot
Bush 5'11

You see two good ILBers that are one inch off from Bush's measurement.
 
I agree with Ford on Bush. As I've said before his game tapes aren't that great. He has worse stats than Jarvis Jones. He reminds me of Jones except that Jones was 4" taller and 15 Lbs heavier. Their college stats aren't even close.

I'll post this again from another thread: Again I thought the problem was lack of turnovers and pass breakups? Right? Then why take a guy that doesn't do those things? He had 1 pick and 11 deflections with 0 FF in 3 years. And that is against teams like Indiana, SMU, Western Michigan ETC...

One more thing. Bush can't get off blocks.. he just can't. Watch the film. Now put that together with Tomlin's love of the 2 DL set WTF do you think is going to happen when a professional OL gets his mitts on him? He may end up being a great player. But giving up draft picks for a guy that is undersized and who struggles to get off blocks is a huge risk.
 
I agree with Ford on Bush. As I've said before his game tapes aren't that great. He has worse stats than Jarvis Jones. He reminds me of Jones except that Jones was 4" taller and 15 Lbs heavier. Their college stats aren't even close.

I'll post this again from another thread: Again I thought the problem was lack of turnovers and pass breakups? Right? Then why take a guy that doesn't do those things? He had 1 pick and 11 deflections with 0 FF in 3 years. And that is against teams like Indiana, SMU, Western Michigan ETC...

One more thing. Bush can't get off blocks.. he just can't. Watch the film. Now put that together with Tomlin's love of the 2 DL set WTF do you think is going to happen when a professional OL gets his mitts on him? He may end up being a great player. But giving up draft picks for a guy that is undersized and who struggles to get off blocks is a huge risk.

You really can't compare a OLB to a ILBer.

Michigan played an attacking D one of the best in the country , who played a **** load of man coverage. They also had decent surrounding talent. So Bush didn't have to do it all himself. He is a natural leader and a film rat.

And **** so many young LBers struggle initially to get off blocks. I remember Shazier having issues and it didn't stop him from making plays.


Watching film I saw him analyze and then move react. He looks like an instinctual LBer.

I think his weaknesses can be coached up.

And his strengths can be heightened.

No reason to think he won't be a damn good ILber.
 
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Based on what?

based on what was given up to get him. if it was my call, i wouldn't have given up our 2nd rd pick to move that many spots, but that's just me, squeaky. i think he'll end up being decent, but nothing other-worldy within the Steelers' scheme. Would love to be wrong.
 
based on what was given up to get him. if it was my call, i wouldn't have given up our 2nd rd pick to move that many spots, but that's just me, squeaky. i think he'll end up being decent, but nothing other-worldy within the Steelers' scheme. Would love to be wrong.

Not a lot to give up to move up 10 spots to the top ten.

Glad it wasn't your call.
 
I agree with Ford on Bush. As I've said before his game tapes aren't that great. He has worse stats than Jarvis Jones. He reminds me of Jones except that Jones was 4" taller and 15 Lbs heavier. Their college stats aren't even close.

I'll post this again from another thread: Again I thought the problem was lack of turnovers and pass breakups? Right? Then why take a guy that doesn't do those things? He had 1 pick and 11 deflections with 0 FF in 3 years. And that is against teams like Indiana, SMU, Western Michigan ETC...

One more thing. Bush can't get off blocks.. he just can't. Watch the film. Now put that together with Tomlin's love of the 2 DL set WTF do you think is going to happen when a professional OL gets his mitts on him? He may end up being a great player. But giving up draft picks for a guy that is undersized and who struggles to get off blocks is a huge risk.

Jarvis Jones?!
Did you seriously just compare an OLB to an ILB?
Their responsibilities and skill sets are mostly different.
It’d be like comparing SS to FS or DT to DE.


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The steelers had such a hole at ILB that any competent player will look like Jack Lambert for a time. Bush will be a good player. He's smart and athletic and a tackling machine, but his size does limit his game.

The reason he was so highly valued is because of the lack of depth at ILB in this draft. Bush would not have been a 1st rounder in last year's draft.

That's the main problem i have with this pick. The Steelers keep telling us that Shazier was the key to the defense. Well they certainly took their time to fix that position didn't they? They didn't even have a real backup for Shazier. They signed Sean Spence off the street to start a playoff game. That's a pretty big red flag that you ****** up in building the roster.

Last year they chose to put some duct tape on it with Bostic and they sat back in a draft that had some really great ILB prospects and did notihing.

They should have traded up for an ILB, but it should have been LAST year.

Terrell Edmunds brother Tremaine is a crazy athlete with a ceiling twice as high as Bush's. They could have traded up for him. They could have traded up for Vander Esch too.

So they backed themselves into a corner at ILB in draft where it was weak.
 
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