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Hottest Spring On Record Globally 2014

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I'll add my $0.02, not scientific, but my own observation.

I moved to Phoenix in the mid-70's and the population then was about 600,000. It's now at roughly 1.5 million. The house I purchased then was surrounded by citrus fields and the night time temperatures would drop over night dramatically from the day time highs. There were regular summer time storms (monsoons) that would produce rain from July through September.

2014 - Nearly every square inch of the valley is now paved. The population has nearly tripled, and the citrus groves are long gone. The valley has become a heat island because of all of the concrete. Night time lows in the summer rarely drop below the high 90's. And because of the heat island effect, the rains that usually come in the summer are pushed further and further away from the city.

Man made? Absolutely. But to say paving doesn't effect an area is not accurate, at least out here.
 

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Night time lows in the summer rarely drop below the high 90's. .


Sorry bro, but that is bullshit http://weatherspark.com/history/31259/2013/Phoenix-Arizona-United-States

I know you said 2014, but this chart is 2013 and I doubt it is very different.
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Again, my own observation. I call your data bullshit. No way the night time lows in Phoenix are 75 degrees in the middle of July.

I live here, guessing you don't.
 

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Observe all you want, but you may want to invest in a better thermometer.
Today
Aug 24
Sunny 102°F
81°F
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
SSE at 6 mph
Details
Mon
Aug 25
Partly Cloudy 100°
79°
Partly Cloudy
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
S at 9 mph
Details
Tue
Aug 26
Scattered T-Storms 95°
78°
Scattered T-Storms
CHANCE OF RAIN:
80%

WIND:
SSE at 9 mph
Details
Wed
Aug 27
AM T-Storms 99°
79°
AM T-Storms
CHANCE OF RAIN:
50%

WIND:
ENE at 8 mph
Details
Thu
Aug 28
Sunny 104°
77°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
WNW at 8 mph
Details
Fri
Aug 29
Sunny 105°
79°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
SE at 6 mph
Details
Sat
Aug 30
Sunny 106°
80°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
SSE at 7 mph
Details
Sun
Aug 31
Sunny 103°
80°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
SSW at 10 mph
Details
Mon
Sep 1
Sunny 100°
78°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
10%

WIND:
SSW at 8 mph
Details
Tue
Sep 2
Sunny 100°
78°
Sunny
CHANCE OF RAIN:
0%

WIND:
SSW at 8 mph

I don't see any night time lows in the upper 90's
 

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Again, not to argue. We did receive a lot of rain here last week. As a result the temperatures did drop.

When the rains don't come the night time temps don't drop a lot. Not saying every night time low is in the 90's, but they do occur more and more because of the heat island effect caused by nothing left unpaved.
 

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Global Warming Alert!


Montana, Wyoming Brace for Snow, Cold Temps

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Again, not to argue. We did receive a lot of rain here last week. As a result the temperatures did drop.

When the rains don't come the night time temps don't drop a lot. Not saying every night time low is in the 90's, but they do occur more and more because of the heat island effect caused by nothing left unpaved.

that was for the next 10 days, It is just a personal pet peeve of mine when people say it is so hot here (insert any town south of St. Louis). I had a family member tell me that I didn't know what hot was back in 2005 ish. I pointed out that the highs in the city I live in (Richmond) were higher than the city he lived in (Houston) on average that summer. Was basically told that I am a dumbass because I can cut and paste facts while he could spew hot garbage. He then tried the humidity thing, which Richmond was higher than Houston as well. I will admit that that summer was a rare summer where it was hotter in the Mid South than it was in TX. But trying to argue real data will just make your head hurt.
 

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OK, I can understand the "my Dad can beat up your Dad" type of argument. Although Houston is pretty miserable. Never been to Richmond.

Point I was trying to make is that because of the man made conditions (concrete everywhere) it's warmer here at night now than it was in the 70's


Phoenix's hot nights are largely the result of the urban heat island. The concrete, asphalt, and buildings absorb heat all day and trap it, releasing it far more slowly than the open desert, where the nights tend to cool quickly.

The number of June days with a minimum temperature above ninety degrees here has increased dramatically in the past 40 years. Prior to 1970, there were no recorded occurrences of a nighttime low above 90 degrees, but in each decade since, the number of days with a minimum temperature above 90 has increased: from 3 in the '70s, 6 in the '80s, 8 in the '90s, and 50 from 2000 to 2009. In the first 4 years of this decade there have been 27 recorded already. There was a 7 day period a few years ago that it didn't drop below 94. Source: NOAA

Heat island effect also keeps the rain from moving in as much as it used to. You can see for miles in most all directions in Phoenix. In summer the storms will build all around the valley, but never get here. So we don't get the rain as often to help cool things down.
 

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The really smart scientists that study AGW account for heat island effect in urban areas when they do research. This is not a revelation.
You are right in that heat island effect is real, but Phoenix is a tiny patch of real estate in proportion to the state of Arizona, the state of Arizona is just a small part of the U.S., the U.S. is just a small part of the world.

Now pave and build concrete heat sinks onto half or 2/3's of every square foot of land on the planet and you've got something to talk about.
 

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Just a shout out from the normal people - there is no significant influence on the Earth's climate from people. There isn't. At all. Find another cause, you idiots.

Yes and the moon is made out of cheese, no really...really.
 

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PoloMalo43 again.

How's this ****** still green?

There are actually intelligent people on here who like the Irish,and the truth. They also send me PM's and tell me by name who are the confirmed(apart from my own confirmations) racists here. Pretty cool huh?
 

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There are actually intelligent people on here who like the Irish,and the truth. They also send me PM's and tell me by name who are the confirmed(apart from my own confirmations) racists here. Pretty cool huh?
pretty pathetic
 

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The really smart scientists that study AGW account for heat island effect in urban areas when they do research.

The really smart scientists who want to keep getting grant money know they better goddamn well selectively pick the correct parts of their data that make it seem like man made global warming is a thing. Half of them believe it is a crock of **** too, but they'll never admit it for financial reasons. Also they would be blackballed in the scientific community for trying to rock the gravy train for all the other guys making a sweet living of of this malarkey.
 

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Just for fun. What type of weather or temperature doesn't reinforce your global warming
argument?

Normal weather.

What does reinforce it is:

It's the frequency of extreme weather events that help confirm it, you know like snow in August after a cool spring/ summer. Or Boulder Colorado getting it's yearly average rainfall in a few hours, many, many records being broken around the world for heat and rainfall, 100 year events now occurring every few years. You know, little stuff.
 

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Normal weather.

Question:

Can you explain why this graph is not a valid basis for arguing that "global warming" has ceased for the past 17 years?

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Is it because the duration which is the subject of the graph is too limited (i.e., small sample size)??
 

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"Normal weather"

Every time a raindrop or snowflake falls its now "EXTREME WEATHER ALERT!" - - hilarious - - gotta sell that disaster porn

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Too cold - Global Warming!

Too wet - Global Warming!

Too dry - Global Warming!

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Farmers' Almanac predicts another nasty winter

LEWISTON, Maine (AP) — The folks at the Farmers' Almanac can be forgiven for feeling smug: The 198-year-old publication correctly predicted the past nasty winter while federal forecasters blew it.

Memories of the polar vortex and relentless snowstorms won't soon be forgotten. And the editors of the publication are predicting more of the same for the coming season.

"Shivery and shovelry are back. We're calling for some frigid conditions, bitter conditions," said managing editor Sandi Duncan.

http://newsok.com/farmers-almanac-predicts-another-nasty-winter/article/feed/726370
 
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There are actually intelligent people on here who like the Irish,and the truth. They also send me PM's and tell me by name who are the confirmed(apart from my own confirmations) racists here. Pretty cool huh?
Conservative = racist.
What is the big secret?
 

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They will never give up.....

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught red-handed manipulating temperature data to show "global warming" where none actually exists.

At Amberley, Queensland, for example, the data at a weather station showing 1 degree Celsius cooling per century was "homogenized" (adjusted) by the Bureau so that it instead showed a 2.5 degrees warming per century.

At Rutherglen, Victoria, a cooling trend of -0.35 degrees C per century was magically transformed at the stroke of an Australian meteorologist's pen into a warming trend of 1.73 degrees C per century.

This is a global problem. Earlier this year, Breitbart reported that similarly dishonest adjustments had been made to temperature records by NASA and NOAA. Similarly implicated are the UK temperature records of the Met Office Hadley Centre and at Phil "Climategate" Jones's disgraced Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

One of the many disingenuous arguments used by climate alarmists against sceptics is mockingly to accuse them of being conspiracy theorists. "How could global warming possibly not be a problem when all the world's temperature data sets from Australia to the US to the UK clearly show that it is? Are you seriously suggesting that so many different scientists and so many distinguished institutions from across the globe would collude in such a massive lie?" their argument runs.

Our answer: yes we bloody well are.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...accused-of-Criminally-Adjusted-Global-Warming
 

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They will never give up.....

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught red-handed manipulating temperature data to show "global warming" where none actually exists.

It's like in Pittsburgh where it's been known for a long time that one of the air pollution monitoring stations is on the roof above the garage door to a city bus garage.
 

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They will never give up.....

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught red-handed manipulating temperature data to show "global warming" where none actually exists.

At Amberley, Queensland, for example, the data at a weather station showing 1 degree Celsius cooling per century was "homogenized" (adjusted) by the Bureau so that it instead showed a 2.5 degrees warming per century.

At Rutherglen, Victoria, a cooling trend of -0.35 degrees C per century was magically transformed at the stroke of an Australian meteorologist's pen into a warming trend of 1.73 degrees C per century.

This is a global problem. Earlier this year, Breitbart reported that similarly dishonest adjustments had been made to temperature records by NASA and NOAA. Similarly implicated are the UK temperature records of the Met Office Hadley Centre and at Phil "Climategate" Jones's disgraced Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

One of the many disingenuous arguments used by climate alarmists against sceptics is mockingly to accuse them of being conspiracy theorists. "How could global warming possibly not be a problem when all the world's temperature data sets from Australia to the US to the UK clearly show that it is? Are you seriously suggesting that so many different scientists and so many distinguished institutions from across the globe would collude in such a massive lie?" their argument runs.

Our answer: yes we bloody well are.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...accused-of-Criminally-Adjusted-Global-Warming

Where did Delingpole get this information from? I mean, since he has a degree in English literature and freely admits he knows nothing about science. Yet he words the article as if he knows what he's talking about!

http://www.desmogblog.com/james-delingpole

February 12, 2014

James Delingpole announced the end of his days blogging for The Daily Telegraph. In his final post, Farewell, Knights of Delingpole — and thank you trolls, Delingpole thanks his readers “for your technical expertise and advice (it prevented anyone ever noticing that I'm an English graduate and know NOTHING about science apart from, maybe, how to grow copper sulphate crystals).”
 

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They will never give up.....

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught red-handed manipulating temperature data to show "global warming" where none actually exists.

At Amberley, Queensland, for example, the data at a weather station showing 1 degree Celsius cooling per century was "homogenized" (adjusted) by the Bureau so that it instead showed a 2.5 degrees warming per century.

At Rutherglen, Victoria, a cooling trend of -0.35 degrees C per century was magically transformed at the stroke of an Australian meteorologist's pen into a warming trend of 1.73 degrees C per century.

This is a global problem. Earlier this year, Breitbart reported that similarly dishonest adjustments had been made to temperature records by NASA and NOAA. Similarly implicated are the UK temperature records of the Met Office Hadley Centre and at Phil "Climategate" Jones's disgraced Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

One of the many disingenuous arguments used by climate alarmists against sceptics is mockingly to accuse them of being conspiracy theorists. "How could global warming possibly not be a problem when all the world's temperature data sets from Australia to the US to the UK clearly show that it is? Are you seriously suggesting that so many different scientists and so many distinguished institutions from across the globe would collude in such a massive lie?" their argument runs.

Our answer: yes we bloody well are.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...accused-of-Criminally-Adjusted-Global-Warming

Confirmed liar and all around idiot, and what does it say about you?

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/...poles-crazy-climate-change-obsession-article/

Of course the MET office is involved in the ' Worldwide Climate Alarmist' plot. Arabs and crazy Americans both believe in crazy conspiracy theories....who woulda thunk it? Maybe that's why they call Reich Wing/ TeaBagger fundies the 'American Taliban' . I see it now.
 

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Extreme weather alert!


Climate Change 'Pause' May Last Another Decade

The "pause" in global warming may last another decade before surface temperatures start rising again, according to scientists who say heat is being stored in the depths of the Atlantic and Southern Oceans.

Global average surface temperatures rose rapidly from the 1970s but have been relatively stable since the late 1990s, in a trend that has been seized upon by climate sceptics who question the science of man-made warming.

Climate change scientists have proposed more than a dozen theories to explain the "hiatus", which they say is a "distraction" from the widespread consensus on global warming.

http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-pause-may-last-another-decade-2014-8

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