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I can't think of one reason but give me 1 good reason.....

Pittsburgh led the NFL in pro bowl appearances between 2011-2021 with 52. Yes folks, after losing in SB 45, management gave you enough talent to compete, including a hof offensive line coach, a top 10 offense between 2014-2018, a top 5 offense and defense in 2017, so this notion that Tomlin "just couldn't get the talent" is bullshit.
 
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The argument that we could be worse than now is a fallacy. What does it matter if we change coaches and turn in a few 5-12 seasons or whatever if we get REAL change in the process. Maybe we get a coach who hires actual competent people. Maybe we get a coach that is offensive minded as that is where the league is and has been for the past decade. Maybe we get a coach who doesn't let his ego dictate a lot of what he does. Maybe we are building toward something instead of being mired in what we know is the proverbial hamster on the wheel.

Those are all maybes...but we know what we have now is a for sure.

And that is for sure we are never winning anything that matters if things continue the way they are.

It’s not a fallacy that we could be worse than now. In the following sentence you said we could be 5-12.
But I get what you’re saying…that we could be worse is inconsequential.
 
I knew it was over when we punted on 4th and inches. I felt like Apollo Creed in Rocky III — THERE IS NO TOMORROW!
I knew it was over when the Steelers conceded a touchdown on the Ravens first drive and failed to score on their own first two drives.
 
We probably don't have anymore older players playing on our D than every other d in the league.

We have the 6th oldest defense in the league, based on average player age and weighted by snap count. We have the 4th youngest offense. DL definitely needs an infusion of youth and talent, but this is not an excuse for Tomlin.

Lets compare him to Dan Campbell right now, because they couldn't be more opposite. One coaches to win at all costs, even going for it on fourth down late in the game when already in FG range. The other coaches not to lose, and doesn't understand the concept of "you have nothing left to lose". I'm sure he kept some plays, both offensively and defensively in his pocket because he didn't want to put them of film just yet.

He's always struggled with teams that we should absolutely destroy during the regular season. And if you look at most of those games, we are completely out of character with most of them. It's like he treats them as pre-season games to try something new, and 9 times out of 10 it backfires and he is always too late with his adjustments.

Going with this last game, any other team in the league would have adjusted their defensive gameplan after the first drive when Jackson kept the ball three times in a row. And even the one play where we had Wilson scrape around to stop Jackson is dumb scheme. Leave the edge guys to set the.... EDGE, and your DL and ILB's in the MIDDLE the clog up the holes.
 
We have the 6th oldest defense in the league, based on average player age and weighted by snap count. We have the 4th youngest offense. DL definitely needs an infusion of youth and talent, but this is not an excuse for Tomlin.

Lets compare him to Dan Campbell right now, because they couldn't be more opposite. One coaches to win at all costs, even going for it on fourth down late in the game when already in FG range. The other coaches not to lose, and doesn't understand the concept of "you have nothing left to lose". I'm sure he kept some plays, both offensively and defensively in his pocket because he didn't want to put them of film just yet.

He's always struggled with teams that we should absolutely destroy during the regular season. And if you look at most of those games, we are completely out of character with most of them. It's like he treats them as pre-season games to try something new, and 9 times out of 10 it backfires and he is always too late with his adjustments.

Going with this last game, any other team in the league would have adjusted their defensive gameplan after the first drive when Jackson kept the ball three times in a row. And even the one play where we had Wilson scrape around to stop Jackson is dumb scheme. Leave the edge guys to set the.... EDGE, and your DL and ILB's in the MIDDLE the clog up the holes.
Scheme played a bigger role on our D not getting off of the field than age. If we are long in the tooth and fatigue plays that big of a role....then all the more reason not to play the bend but don't break defense that Tomlin seems to love.
 
Pittsburgh led the NFL in pro bowl appearances between 2011-2021 with 52. Yes folks, after losing in SB 45, management gave you enough talent to compete, including a hof offensive line coach, a top 10 offense between 2014-2018, a top 5 offense and defense in 2017, so this notion that Tomlin "just couldn't get the talent" is bullshit.

People act like these other teams are loaded top to bottom with all pros and hof guys... they arent.. this team is absolutely loaded on D.. they have hof and all pro level playmakers on the DL, at Olb, at ilb, at S and some extremely young and talented CBs... they have two other impact Olbs and a really good 4th guy
They have two really good Safeties besides mincah
After cam, they havent had much in the way of impact DL guys... but they have a lot of solid guys... Ogunjobi has 108 career starts, Lowery 85, Adams and Loudermilk are ok depth guys...
there are enough proven pieces on this D that it should be a perennial top 5 d...

Its not talent... its absolutely coaching
 
Give me 1 good reason why the Pittsburgh Steelers should keep Mike Tomlin as their Head Coach? I honestly can't think of one thing this guy can offer or bring to this organization & team that any other Head Coach can't!
Because he's good enough to get a team to the SB that's why. He's done it twice. The problem is this:

1) His struggle to team build which goes hand and hand with the GM of the team and where they finish in the draft order year after year. Team building is not just getting the right players though, but what coaches you hire also.

2) His loyalty is detrimental 2 his team health...this includes hanging on to coaches and players too long. We all know that Tomlin and the Steelers held onto Rothlisberger too long. We all know that he has had coordinators and chief assistants that have been around too long.

This is my thing. Both these things are in fact fixable...but he has to put the team b4 his loyalty and realize it's about business and not necessarily friendships and allegiances.
 
Because he's good enough to get a team to the SB that's why. He's done it twice. The problem is this:

1) His struggle to team build which goes hand and hand with the GM of the team and where they finish in the draft order year after year. Team building is not just getting the right players though, but what coaches you hire also.

2) His loyalty is detrimental 2 his team health...this includes hanging on to coaches and players too long. We all know that Tomlin and the Steelers held onto Rothlisberger too long. We all know that he has had coordinators and chief assistants that have been around too long.

This is my thing. Both these things are in fact fixable...but he has to put the team b4 his loyalty and realize it's about business and not necessarily friendships and allegiances.
He and Rooney fell into the trap of doing what's "comfortable' instead of what's best for the team. That's led to a team that's not competitive enough. They keep "buddies" around as coaches, pay them cheaply and nothing changes. But hey, Rooney didn't have to do any of those "uncomfortable" things like bring in a new coach, something he's on record on not liking. But as long as he's not uncomfortable.
 
Scheme played a bigger role on our D not getting off of the field than age. If we are long in the tooth and fatigue plays that big of a role....then all the more reason not to play the bend but don't break defense that Tomlin seems to love.
I wasn't blaming age, just answering the question. The area that brings our average age UP is the DL, that's where we need to infuse talent and youth. Scheme is 100% the biggest issue, and not just this last game, but all year long. We got lucky with TO's against bad teams and it masked the issues that have always been there with a Tomlin lead D. For most of the year, they were solid in the redzone, but during the 5 game slide, they were atrocious. You just knew if the team got anywhere inside the 10 it was a guaranteed TD.
 
Because he's good enough to get a team to the SB that's why. He's done it twice. The problem is this:

1) His struggle to team build which goes hand and hand with the GM of the team and where they finish in the draft order year after year. Team building is not just getting the right players though, but what coaches you hire also.

2) His loyalty is detrimental 2 his team health...this includes hanging on to coaches and players too long. We all know that Tomlin and the Steelers held onto Rothlisberger too long. We all know that he has had coordinators and chief assistants that have been around too long.

This is my thing. Both these things are in fact fixable...but he has to put the team b4 his loyalty and realize it's about business and not necessarily friendships and allegiances.
He took a team he didn't build to the SB twice. Since then, he's built teams that had the talent, but always fell short. And then Ben retired and it just got worse. He's worked with two GM's, and the roster looks pretty much the same. We have talent, what we don't have is a coach that will put the talent in the best situation to win. We have big road grader type OL, and try to run a zone block finesse type of scheme that doesn't fit. We draft man cover corners and run a majority zone. We drafted a catch first TE and then extended him, only to give him 4 targets a game.

Tomlin will forever try to force his scheme onto the players instead of scheming to the players strengths. Your best offensive weapon is George Pickens, and there was no effort to get the ball into his hands as many ways as possible, as often as possible. Hell, they would run entire series of plays with him standing on the sideline, with VanJefferson and Skowronek as the lone WR's on the field...can you guess what they did on those series? A whole lot of 3 and outs on 3 straight running plays...

Punting on 4th and less than 2, but going for it on 4th and 15+ on more than one occasion this year. He used to be aggressive, I remember him going for 2 more than any coach in the league for a two year stretch, now he won't even go for a 4th and inches in a playoff game when everything is on the line against a divisional opponent.
 
Since then, he's built teams that had the talent, but always fell short.
I don't think I agree with this at all. What teams are you referring to in what season? Aside from the team that lost to the Jaguars I haven't seen that. I've always thought he overachieved with a majority of the teams and other teams were not balanced enough. Maybe they had the talent on the offensive side of the ball, but the talent on the defensive side of the ball was lacking and vice versa.
 
Pittsburgh led the NFL in pro bowl appearances between 2011-2021 with 52. Yes folks, after losing in SB 45, management gave you enough talent to compete, including a hof offensive line coach, a top 10 offense between 2014-2018, a top 5 offense and defense in 2017, so this notion that Tomlin "just couldn't get the talent" is bullshit.
He’s done less with more and constantly been praised for his mediocre results.

Not sure why he gets the life time pass and it’s always someone else to blame even though he micromanages every department.

Are people really that blind or just plain stupid?
 
I don't think I agree with this at all. What teams are you referring to in what season? Aside from the team that lost to the Jaguars I haven't seen that. I've always thought he overachieved with a majority of the teams and other teams were not balanced enough. Maybe they had the talent on the offensive side of the ball, but the talent on the defensive side of the ball was lacking and vice versa.
2016 - coincidentally the last time they even won a playoff game,

2017 - got humiliated by the Jags, didn't just lose. They were 13-3, the number 2 seed, the number 8 scoring offense, the number 9 scoring defense. Top 10 rushing D, top 5 passing D, and Jax ran all over us.

2018 - started 7-2-1, lost 4 of the last 6, missed the playoffs. The roster was relatively the same one that went 13-3 the year prior, minus Bell (and Conner matched his output when he was healthy)

2020 - started 11-0 before dropping 4 of the last 5 and then got TROUNCED by the browns by starting the game in a 28-0 hole in the first quarter.

The talent has been there, but there are way too many late season collapses, followed by either missing the playoffs or one and done in embarrassing fashion.
 
2016 - coincidentally the last time they even won a playoff game,

2017 - got humiliated by the Jags, didn't just lose. They were 13-3, the number 2 seed, the number 8 scoring offense, the number 9 scoring defense. Top 10 rushing D, top 5 passing D, and Jax ran all over us.

2018 - started 7-2-1, lost 4 of the last 6, missed the playoffs. The roster was relatively the same one that went 13-3 the year prior, minus Bell (and Conner matched his output when he was healthy)

2020 - started 11-0 before dropping 4 of the last 5 and then got TROUNCED by the browns by starting the game in a 28-0 hole in the first quarter.

The talent has been there, but there are way too many late season collapses, followed by either missing the playoffs or one and done in embarrassing fashion.
2017 is a non issue.

2016 they lost to the eventual SB winner. You want to hold this against him??

2018- I don't know why Connor and Bell are even mentioned in the same breath. Bell was way more diverse...and could easily have been a WR. He also didn't fumble nearly as much. You had two key differences from 2017. No Bell and No Shazier...if they were on the team I think I would have to whole heartedly agree. That's two big losses.

2020....I'm not sure if anybody took this team seriously, including you. I know I didn't. Anybody that watched football and was more then a casual fan knew that the dink dunk offensive scheme was going to be caught up to eventually and that's exactly what happened. Ben was not the threat he used to be especially with his legs and his elbow was pretty much shot....not to mention they started to get a injury bug on the defensive side of the ball just towards the end like this year with players like Devin Bush, Bud Dupree and I think Joe Haden missed the playoff game also.
 
It was another late session collapse with no adjustments made to improve at all, which is Tomlin's biggest downfall.

As for who a team loses to, doesn't matter. It's a loss for a team with high expectations.

And one last thing before I let you finish Tomlin off and he goes and has a cigarette...the players have changed, the results remain the same.
 
It was another late session collapse with no adjustments made to improve at all, which is Tomlin's biggest downfall.

As for who a team loses to, doesn't matter. It's a loss for a team with high expectations.

And one last thing before I let you finish Tomlin off and he goes and has a cigarette...the players have changed, the results remain the same.
I understand you dont like Tomlin. Some of us do. If you think making innuendo remarks helps you to get your point across because you feel a comment I made which was in no way personal weakens your argument then that's on you. You made your point. I made mine but I kept my comments above grade. I've tried to keep the conversation civil because I know once it goes there there's no going back. Not to mention you haven't come off as a dck until now.

As for prior replies I've made previously I said what I said and I don't detract from any of them. Everything i put out there i try and make it so i can back them up with facts. I understand what expectations are from a fans perspective, but in many instances fans don't live in reality and some are downright delusional. That's why they are called fanatics. The reality is this team hasn't had the roster to compete upper echelon teams for quite awhile so it does in fact matter who they face because football rarely has champions who aren't the cream of the crop. Yes, Tomlin bares some if not most of the blame for this roster depending what you think the role of the GM is.

That being said, champions in professional sports in general typically come from who has the most talent and skill . Sorry you don't understand other people have a right to an opinion, but try not to go there with the insults. That's all I'm going to say going frwd with that.
 
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I understand you dont like Tomlin. Some of us do. If you think making innuendo remarks helps you to get your point across because you feel a comment I made which was in no way personal weakens your argument then that's on you. You made your point. I made mine but I kept my comments above grade. I've tried to keep the conversation civil because I know once it goes there there's no going back. Not to mention you haven't come off as a dck until now.

As for prior replies I've made previously I said what I said and I don't detract from any of them. Everything i put out there i try and make it so i can back them up with facts. I understand what expectations are from a fans perspective, but in many instances fans don't live in reality and some are downright delusional. That's why they are called fanatics. The reality is this team hasn't had the roster to compete upper echelon teams for quite awhile so it does in fact matter who they face because football rarely has champions who aren't the cream of the crop. Yes, Tomlin bares some if not most of the blame for this roster depending what you think the role of the GM is.

That being said, champions in professional sports in general typically come from who has the most talent and skill . Sorry you don't understand other people have a right to an opinion, but try not to go there with the insults. That's all I'm going to say going frwd with that.
My apologies, I got you and timesarechanging mixed up. He was the one who talked like that.

But to the point at hand, the GM and coach work hand in hand. Especially in Pittsburgh. The GM doesn't just blindly grab players and say "here you go".

Tomlin also hires his coordinators, aka Matt Canada, aka Austin. He's in charge of the day to day, he ok's the gamelan, he cuts players, decides who plays and where (Trice on Chase, then on the bench).

I'm not blindly hating the man, I used to stick up for him. But his message is no longer resonating with the players, and the failures are adding up to record numbers. He one playoff loss in row from Marvin Lewis, and we roasted the Bengals for hanging on to him for so long...

18 years in today's NFL is a long *** time.
 
My apologies, I got you and timesarechanging mixed up. He was the one who talked like that.

But to the point at hand, the GM and coach work hand in hand. Especially in Pittsburgh. The GM doesn't just blindly grab players and say "here you go".

Tomlin also hires his coordinators, aka Matt Canada, aka Austin. He's in charge of the day to day, he ok's the gamelan, he cuts players, decides who plays and where (Trice on Chase, then on the bench).

I'm not blindly hating the man, I used to stick up for him. But his message is no longer resonating with the players, and the failures are adding up to record numbers. He one playoff loss in row from Marvin Lewis, and we roasted the Bengals for hanging on to him for so long...

18 years in today's NFL is a long *** time.
I agree whole heartedly about the coordinators. He's never had success picking coordinators and I have no idea why? People have said it's because he wants yes men under him. I thought initially it was because they wanted all the hires internal, because they werent willing to pay, but another person showed on here that Tomlin has had the means to do outside hires. I don't know what to believe at this point other then he's very bad at it....regardless of whether the hire is internal or external.

As for the roster build it hasn't been much better. There have been far too many reaches (i.e. Terrell Edmunds, K. Pickett) at the expense of missing out on players (Lamar Jackson, Tyler Linderbaum) that seemed far more promising at their position of note especially in the early rounds. What's even worse is that their biggest foe got some of these players when they had the chance to grab them first which adds salt to the womb. In MTs defense his being a good coach and doing more with less has contributed to his detriment in the draft. When they should be bad and really drafting in the top five, he somehow manages to get the team to finish at that .500 or slightly above mark where they end up being towards the middle pack of teams in the draft order. This is bad no matter how u look at it.

It's one of those you can't win for losing scenarios. One sound byte that I will never forget is Tomlin walking up to Chase Young just before they lost the game to the Redskins in that 11-0 season and telling him he never wants to be in a position to have to draft a player like him. He's been passionate about that so much so that he has 18 non losIng seasons, but thIs is the flip side to that.

I don't know who shoulders the most blame between MT and KC. I'm good with saying MT is the bigger problem with the early picks. It does bring up a question though as to why GMs get the axe on bad decisions if they don't work out if we assume they have far less influence in the draft as believed. Look at the Bears GM and recently the Raiders. They didn't get axed because the payrolls were out of kilter. They got axed because of personnel/roster decisions made.

That being said I don't have a problem with the Steelers moving on from Tomlin I was really curious to see what would happen if he had another franchise QB like a LJ or PM or JA or JB. I just think he can get to another SB with QBs like that, and in his defense that's something he also has not had in this playoff drought he's been experiencing. I'm just convinced it's going to happen if he moves on to another team with that type of QB.
 
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