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Interesting claim that a number 2 WR will be added.

Word is SF is offering Aiyuk $26 mill but he is looking for $30 mill per. I doubt Kahn/Rooney is looking to spend in that neighborhood. JuJu it is, with his shot knee.
Aiyuk is at best a middle of the road WR #1 talent, he's not the superstar he wants to be paid like. On a normal offense without the other pieces, Purdy, Mcaffrey, Deebo, Kittle he would be average. Guy isn't fast or freakish, just has the benefit of playing on one of the best offenses in the NFL.
25-30 million for Aiyuk is a Joke. Any WR#1 in the league puts up those numbers or better on that team.
 
Aiyuk is at best a middle of the road WR #1 talent, he's not the superstar he wants to be paid like. On a normal offense without the other pieces, Purdy, Mcaffrey, Deebo, Kittle he would be average. Guy isn't fast or freakish, just has the benefit of playing on one of the best offenses in the NFL.
25-30 million for Aiyuk is a Joke. Any WR#1 in the league puts up those numbers or better on that team.
My thoughts exactly. Paying him $25-30 mill is a joke.
 
I gotta be honest here. I’m not sure if they will add another ‘name’ receiver. If they do, great. I think they roll with what they have. The Arty Smith offense really is more tight end/RB centric.
 
I gotta be honest here. I’m not sure if they will add another ‘name’ receiver. If they do, great. I think they roll with what they have. The Arty Smith offense really is more tight end/RB centric.
Yeah its a liberalized Earhardt type offense... Te is a bigger threat than WR2 ....
 
Yeah its a liberalized Earhardt type offense... Te is a bigger threat than WR2 ....
We are hardly "overly stocked" at the TE position either. Who do we have that are so dominant at the TE position?

1.) Muth, a 2nd-round pick who has under-performed so far in his career. After putting up 7 TDs as a rookie, has just 2 TDs in the last 2 years. Avg. a little over 50 catches a season in 3 years. Has shown signs here and there but not worthy of where he was drafted so far, considering we passed on the best C in the game to draft him.
2.) Washington - a behemoth TE who many said was the next Eric Greene. Well, not even close, so far. I have stated all along: Just because he's huge doesn't mean he can catch. I still say he's a glorified OT.
3.) Connor Heyward - Who? Oh that's right Cam's little brother; the only TE in the NFL under 6'. And for good reason. Connor is only on the roster due to Tomlin's obsession with adding brothers to the roster. How's the working out for you, Mikey?
4.) MyCole Pruitt - Who?
5.) Rodney Williams. Who?
 
Aiyuk is not worth the $26M SF is offering even. Our receiver room is set for better or worse. There is no one out there to sign…
 
We are hardly "overly stocked" at the TE position either. Who do we have that are so dominant at the TE position?

1.) Muth, a 2nd-round pick who has under-performed so far in his career. After putting up 7 TDs as a rookie, has just 2 TDs in the last 2 years. Avg. a little over 50 catches a season in 3 years. Has shown signs here and there but not worthy of where he was drafted so far, considering we passed on the best C in the game to draft him.
2.) Washington - a behemoth TE who many said was the next Eric Greene. Well, not even close, so far. I have stated all along: Just because he's huge doesn't mean he can catch. I still say he's a glorified OT.
3.) Connor Heyward - Who? Oh that's right Cam's little brother; the only TE in the NFL under 6'. And for good reason. Connor is only on the roster due to Tomlin's obsession with adding brothers to the roster. How's the working out for you, Mikey?
4.) MyCole Pruitt - Who?
5.) Rodney Williams. Who?
I don’t think many said that Washington was the next Eric Greene. I can’t even remember one poster saying that.

Congratulations you actually dissed an entire positional group. You have exceeded even your lofty whimsical standards.
 
Yeah its a liberalized Earhardt type offense... Te is a bigger threat than WR2 ....
Yeah pretty much. I’m not buying into all of the clickbait, unless Kahn surprises us with a move, the obvious is what’s right in front of us on paper. We’ll see how training camp shakes out
 
We are hardly "overly stocked" at the TE position either. Who do we have that are so dominant at the TE position?

1.) Muth, a 2nd-round pick who has under-performed so far in his career. After putting up 7 TDs as a rookie, has just 2 TDs in the last 2 years. Avg. a little over 50 catches a season in 3 years. Has shown signs here and there but not worthy of where he was drafted so far, considering we passed on the best C in the game to draft him.
2.) Washington - a behemoth TE who many said was the next Eric Greene. Well, not even close, so far. I have stated all along: Just because he's huge doesn't mean he can catch. I still say he's a glorified OT.
3.) Connor Heyward - Who? Oh that's right Cam's little brother; the only TE in the NFL under 6'. And for good reason. Connor is only on the roster due to Tomlin's obsession with adding brothers to the roster. How's the working out for you, Mikey?
4.) MyCole Pruitt - Who?
5.) Rodney Williams. Who?


We……………. Yep



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We picked up Jerricho Cotchery in August . He played for 3 seasons here. He did ok. He wasnt #2 material by then. But he did put up 600 one season for us.
I think a lot has to do with who is throwing the football. Ben always seemed to make players look very good.
 
I think a lot has to do with who is throwing the football. Ben always seemed to make players look very good.


Absolutely, BEN brought player’s play, UP. No question about it.

Ben covered a lot of team / coaching deficiency’s.



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We are hardly "overly stocked" at the TE position either. Who do we have that are so dominant at the TE position?

1.) Muth, a 2nd-round pick who has under-performed so far in his career. After putting up 7 TDs as a rookie, has just 2 TDs in the last 2 years. Avg. a little over 50 catches a season in 3 years. Has shown signs here and there but not worthy of where he was drafted so far, considering we passed on the best C in the game to draft him.
2.) Washington - a behemoth TE who many said was the next Eric Greene. Well, not even close, so far. I have stated all along: Just because he's huge doesn't mean he can catch. I still say he's a glorified OT.
3.) Connor Heyward - Who? Oh that's right Cam's little brother; the only TE in the NFL under 6'. And for good reason. Connor is only on the roster due to Tomlin's obsession with adding brothers to the roster. How's the working out for you, Mikey?
4.) MyCole Pruitt - Who?
5.) Rodney Williams. Who?
Another sign that shows you don’t understand the game or player evaluation.

Muth had Ben as a rookie, the primary reasons for having all those TDs. His sophomore season he caught over 60 passes again and had 730 rec yards. He was averaging 11.5 yds per catch all the while playing in the high school offense Canada implemented. Not to mention with QBs who was a turnover machine or a rookie playing backyard football. Last year he battled injuries checked in only 12 games and played even less. Still averaged almost 10 yds/catch with a competent play caller opening up the middle of the field.

“Many said”. Only you have ever compared Washington to Eric Greene. Verify the “many” you have opined, other wise it’s another made up, or “ I forgot where” BS statement. Glorified OT? He was used as a red zone weapon exclusively while at UGA, and his size was more indicative of a 12/13 personnel move TE potential that got him drafted. He would need to gain another 50 lbs to even be considered for OL development.

Connor Heyward is your basic H-back/TE hybrid player. Has been productive as a moving piece blocker/rub route position player who plays ST. He makes plays when he’s on the field.

Mycole Pruitt, has been with Art Smith since he was OC at TEN and followed him to ATL. He, Cordelle Patterson and Scottie Miller will help transition Smith‘s offense to his new players.

I don’t think many said that Washington was the next Eric Greene. I can’t even remember one poster saying that.

Congratulations you actually dissed an entire positional group. You have exceeded even your lofty whimsical standards.

The rationalization this clown uses to prove his opinions is embarrassing for clowns in general. The fact is that It’s a fantastical examination of how Tomlin lives in his head.
 
The moment we drafted Wilson our receiver room improved greatly!. He’s tough, plays hard every snap and is a great blocker and teammate to boot! He the kinda kid the gm is singling out… hardworking teammates! Guys that want to work hard with other guys to build a winning team. We had a run of guys, especially wr’s, that were all about themselves. Wilson and te Washington great teammate type guys that are all about playing on a winning team. I’m kinda of fine with the receiver room, as is, because we are going to see a lot of 2 tightend sets, and Harris in the slot. These power sets better suit the Steelers. Long drives the eat the clock that keeps the defense off the field and playing down hill when they are on the field will give the Steelers the best chance at get into the playoff and win some playoff games.
 
Another sign that shows you don’t understand the game or player evaluation.

Muth had Ben as a rookie, the primary reasons for having all those TDs. His sophomore season he caught over 60 passes again and had 730 rec yards. He was averaging 11.5 yds per catch all the while playing in the high school offense Canada implemented. Not to mention with QBs who was a turnover machine or a rookie playing backyard football. Last year he battled injuries checked in only 12 games and played even less. Still averaged almost 10 yds/catch with a competent play caller opening up the middle of the field.

“Many said”. Only you have ever compared Washington to Eric Greene. Verify the “many” you have opined, other wise it’s another made up, or “ I forgot where” BS statement. Glorified OT? He was used as a red zone weapon exclusively while at UGA, and his size was more indicative of a 12/13 personnel move TE potential that got him drafted. He would need to gain another 50 lbs to even be considered for OL development.

Connor Heyward is your basic H-back/TE hybrid player. Has been productive as a moving piece blocker/rub route position player who plays ST. He makes plays when he’s on the field.

Mycole Pruitt, has been with Art Smith since he was OC at TEN and followed him to ATL. He, Cordelle Patterson and Scottie Miller will help transition Smith‘s offense to his new players.



The rationalization this clown uses to prove his opinions is embarrassing for clowns in general. The fact is that It’s a fantastical examination of how Tomlin lives in his head.


VERY 2well said Ike, thanks for all your great post(s) along the way.


One must remember the O’Canada affect. It’s kind of like comparing two different eras’ of football. That offensive playing scheme / play calls / preparation was as far apart as comparing the 70’s to the 2020’s teams.

Points well made.


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VERY 2well said Ike, thanks for all your great post(s) along the way.


One must remember the O’Canada affect. It’s kind of like comparing two different eras’ of football. That offensive playing scheme / play calls / preparation was as far apart as comparing the 70’s to the 2020’s teams.

Points well made.


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“The O’Canada effect”…..that’s brilliant Drink! I’m borrowing that phrase for now on!!
 
I don't think we can pay for 2 top WRs, our defense, and possibly a new QB. Wilson will demand alot next year if he plays well. We have to hope fields is the answer or find someone else then
 
Another sign that shows you don’t understand the game or player evaluation.

Muth had Ben as a rookie, the primary reasons for having all those TDs. His sophomore season he caught over 60 passes again and had 730 rec yards. He was averaging 11.5 yds per catch all the while playing in the high school offense Canada implemented. Not to mention with QBs who was a turnover machine or a rookie playing backyard football. Last year he battled injuries checked in only 12 games and played even less. Still averaged almost 10 yds/catch with a competent play caller opening up the middle of the field.

“Many said”. Only you have ever compared Washington to Eric Greene. Verify the “many” you have opined, other wise it’s another made up, or “ I forgot where” BS statement. Glorified OT? He was used as a red zone weapon exclusively while at UGA, and his size was more indicative of a 12/13 personnel move TE potential that got him drafted. He would need to gain another 50 lbs to even be considered for OL development.

Connor Heyward is your basic H-back/TE hybrid player. Has been productive as a moving piece blocker/rub route position player who plays ST. He makes plays when he’s on the field.

Mycole Pruitt, has been with Art Smith since he was OC at TEN and followed him to ATL. He, Cordelle Patterson and Scottie Miller will help transition Smith‘s offense to his new players.



The rationalization this clown uses to prove his opinions is embarrassing for clowns in general. The fact is that It’s a fantastical examination of how Tomlin lives in his head.
Muth had Ben as a rookie, the primary reasons for having all those TDs.
By saying this you are pretty much agreeing with Greg Loyds point?

I think Muth has the talent to be a top 10 TE
Through 3 years his numbers are nothing special or remotely close. yes he has had a poor QB and a bad OC
But saying he has not lived up to the hype and a 2nd rd pick is fair and 100% accurate.


He was used as a red zone weapon exclusively while at UGA,
When you say red zone weapon did you mean blocking?

Washington had 774 yards and 3 TD in 3 full seasons.

For some context in 3 years in the same offense

Bowers had 2731 yards and 31 TD in 3 full seasons

Not sure what you were referring to but Washington was anything but a Red zone weapon at Georgia?

When he was drafted everyone was hyping him to be the best blocking TE in years. Some said the Steelers would be better off bulking him up and transitioning him to the O-line because of his abilities as a blocker.

Connor Heyward is your basic H-back/TE hybrid player. Has been productive as a moving piece blocker/rub route position player who plays ST. He makes plays when he’s on the field.

Heyward made some big plays in 2022, I will admit I was excited, he was awful in 2023. Awful
In 17 games he caught 23 passes, had 2 drops, with 1 rush for 0 yards.
On top of that there were only 2 players on the team that had more penalties.
let that sink in.
Basic H-back/TE Hybrid player?? Guy had 0 rushing yards on the season and averages less than 1 catch per game for his career.
If this is the best the Steelers can do i don't even know what to say?

Patterson, Pruitt and Miller, all favors for the new OC, based 100% on past relationships instead of potential future performance. There is no market for guys like this in the NFL. Pruitt and Patterson are both on the wrong side of 30 and Scotty Miller was a distant #3/4 WR in Tampa.
 
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