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James Harrison

Of course in 2000, which was our third consecutive non playoff year, who could have looked at those players, and saw what they became? Cowher thought so little of Ward that they drafted wide receivers in the first round 2 years in a row. We have the benefit of hindsight with regard to those players now. Ten years from now, we may be arguing that Bell was better than Franco and the Bus. It's just too early to tell.

Like I said, we don't know yet. I'm just going off what I can see right now. The "Ward wasn't thought highly of because of the draft picks" is something made up by Ward. You can't just have 1 WR. Should Jones be upset because they drafted Shazier #1? What 2 back to back LBs? Should Timmons be upset because they drafted Shaziers, Jones, Spence, Davis, Woodley, Zumwalt, Williams, Worilds, Gibson, Sylvester, Humpal and Carter and brought in a few FA LBs since he was drafted?

I never understood why Ward felt that way. They drafted WRs all the time and still do. Look at the WRs drafted since Brown. Ward was just insecure for some reason.
 
I swear, it takes you three no time at all to hijack and derail threads. Whining, nagging, bickering ******* like those "women" on The View.

This thread is about James Harrison. Dear God. It gets so old seeing a thread title, jumping in to read about that subject only to find the same cast of characters arguing about something wholly unrelated.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tim Steelersfan again.
 
How dare you put me as that ***** Whoopi. Let me be the blond on the end.
 
How dare you put me as that ***** Whoopi. Let me be the blond on the end.

I will be Whoopi.... and why does supe get left out. That's bullshit.

And I all did was tell another poster "Good Post" cause he conveyed my thoughts on the matter exactly. My bad for hijacking the thread
 
How dare you put me as that ***** Whoopi. Let me be the blond on the end.

yeah, Vader's not even in the same hemisphere of hot and attractive as Whoopi.

:p
 
Harrison was ridiculous Sunday night.
 
I swear, it takes you three no time at all to hijack and derail threads. Whining, nagging, bickering ******* like those "women" on The View.

This thread is about James Harrison. Dear God. It gets so old seeing a thread title, jumping in to read about that subject only to find the same cast of characters arguing about something wholly unrelated.

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All 4 of those were draft pick busts. Cowher drafted the first one two rounds too high. He didn't let the second one play early enough in his career.

Tomlin drafted a gimmick player with that 3rd person who will never see the field except for specific set plays. The 4th, good god you draft an OLB and move them to ILB and call them a dong for the first...yeah you get the point. Excellent post, out of karma.
 
I'm not a big fan of the Cowher vs. Tomlin debate. Different eras, different QB's, different situations when they inherited the teams. Very apples to oranges to me.

I questioned Cowher/Donahoe's drafting at times. I questioned Cowher/Colbert's. And now I'm questioning Tomlin/Colbert as well. I saw mistakes in all of them.

I'm philosophically against 1st round WR's (unless it's a unique situation) and Cowher did that four times (Johnson, Edwards, Burress and Holmes) and none of them made it to a 2nd contract of consequence in Pittsburgh. To this day I thought the Burress over Pennington pick was a huge mistake (one I wanted to fire him over at the time), but the Rooney's stuck with it and it led to Roethlisberger.

There were mistakes in 1997-1999 that led to the FIRING of the G.M., something I advocated here and now to do to Colbert.

The Tomlin/Colbert era is rife with mistakes. To the point TWO draft classes (2008 and 2009) are completely gone after 5 seasons. That never happened ONCE during Cowher's era and only TWICE during Chuck Noll's era (one being the 1983 Rivera injury).

Those failed draft classes are still causing issues in a limited salary cap/resource era (to the point you see us hanging on to players like Keisel and Harrison).

I don't know what the future will hold. We're at a bit of a "high point" right now with the team. We've scored 94 points in two games. We've beat two teams with winning records (including our arch rival). I'm fine with feeling good for a while.

But I haven't forgotten the Tampa Bay game yet. I haven't overlooked the fact Keisel and Harrison are getting a LOT of snap counts right now and we are so dependent on 36+ year old players.

From the moment I saw this schedule, I stated this season is ripe for Tomlin to look "good" again and that I hope this upcoming off-season isn't treated like we've fixed everything. I still anticipate a tough season next year (Keisel and Harrison will be long gone) when Tomlin's supposed replacements (Jones and Tuitt/Thomas) have to play again. I still worry we will franchise tag Worilds because we "have to" and overpay the guy. I still worry we have real CB issues. I still worry having two above average ILB's isn't really going to do much to help us (and were an overuse of resources for such a limited position). I still worry about Tomlin after Lebeau and a further clouding of positional types (4-3 DT's/OLB's trying to be forced to play 3-4 defense).

This nice 3-game winning streak doesn't answer my questions yet about this regime.

When the season is over, we will again talk about off-season plans and see how Tomlin/Colbert rebuild this roster. We need to continue to get better and until I see more than good-bad-good-bad-good-bad from this group, I'm going to have my doubts.
 
You have to be one of the drippiest wet vaginas I have ever encountered. Do numbers lie? If a RB retires with the most rushing yards in NFL history does the voting public care that he played behind the best line in the league for almost the entire time? When a WR like Sanders plays in a pass happy offense does he all of a sudden become a better player, or are his numbers based on the system he's in? Right now he is getting a lot of run for the numbers he's putting up. Unlike you I am not making that up. Find where I called him amazing you pompous piece of ****. It never came out of my mouth.

I respect the thoughts of some of the television commentators because some of them actually played the ******* game and understand what it takes to do so. If numbers don't mean anything what does your all knowing, ******** *** base your opinions on? The eye test? What are YOUR qualifications superstar? You talk **** about every other person who disagrees with you. Were you a scout? Did you play? Are you a coach? Please, enlighten us all with your intardnet expertise.

Don't try to interpret what I mean, or add adjectives for me, because that would entail you being able to give anyone else's idea or opinion some thought, which you are incapable of doing. Just because I believe some of what I see and hear doesn't mean I believe it all. You and your all or nothing bullshit has gotten stale. Your whiny *** asks all the time for someone to put their thoughts down. I did. You disagree? Fine. You want to be an *******? **** you man, you aren't **** but a ******* glorified home team troll sitting in his office/house making snarky comments to get a giggle out of himself. Congrats on continuing with your life's work. But you are a better "fan" because you can keep it real. Please.

Wow, Andrea just lost her **** there. You've got an amazing sense of humor and must be an absolute joy to hang out with.

The reason I jumped on your post (with some humor, since you and I have talked on here for years) was because it was the most self-back-patting bullshit I've seen from you, ever. "Look at how OBJECTIVE my take is! It's so FAIR and BALANCED because I'm the only one being OBJECTIVE about this! All of you guys who post reasoning and logic are being BIASED! **** like player evaluation is sooooo lame! Once again, I'm being OBJECTIVE!"

The word objective does not mean "I'm bowing down to 'the experts' and refusing to form an opinion on anyone.'" Nor does it mean describing every player you're talking about as "too early, jury's still out, time will tell, who knows?" That's just hedging every single opinion you have so you don't have to pick a side and therefore never be wrong. I will never understand this fear some of you guys have about being wrong on the goddamned internet, to the point you'll outright refuse to take a stand beyond "He's OK, he's serviceable, but who knows? Time will tell!" You tell us Marcus Gilbert is serviceable, that the jury's still out on Mike Adams, that Tomlin was brilliant for drafting Keenan Lewis but played no role in not keeping him around. OK.

We don't need to watch a guy play out a 15-year career to form a fair, educated opinion on the guy. In your eyes, though, we do.

Maybe you're right. Maybe raw numbers tell the whole story. # of receptions = quality of receiver, end of story. A RB who runs for 1,500 yards on 350 carries behind a world-class o-line is amazing; much better than the guy who runs for 1,400 on 250 carries with no line to speak of. Raw numbers PROVE Manny Sanders is phenomenal. The experts' take on Pouncey means he's elite. The goddamn "voting public" - LOL, voting on what, anyway? The "voting public" put Michael Vick in how many Pro Bowls? This your intensive, scientific criteria. That's fine; I don't look down on anyone who watches/follows football less than I do. But when you break your arm patting your own back for being soooooooo objective and fair and REAL.. then rip into anyone who's studied the subject more than you.. yeah, it makes you a douchebag.

What are my qualifications? Just watching and studying football, I guess. But considering I'm willing to put in more than 2-3 seconds to evaluate a player, yeah, I think my opinion carries more weight than someone who refuses to. Again, you've never once seen me claim to be some ******* expert with an NFL background. Never. But I do try to use some reasoning and logic when I'm making a point. I don't merely write off every player as "Well, maybe he could be something, his first 3-4 years don't tell us anything, and I'm no GM, so who knows, really? Maybe good, maybe bad, jury's still out!!"

Some of you guys don't want a discussion to extend for very long, so you resort to **** like that. And it's lame.
 
Who will post all day long in game threads with some sarcstic snarky comment whether he is watching or not when the team is failing but as soon as they start playing better not one post of excitement is made and then disappears entirely from the thread. The same guy who repeatedly asked why the Archer thread wasnt closed and pointed to it as the ruination of the site is now posting in it all will nilly cause the team is winning and he cant get his argue fix about Tomlin or any other hypothetical imaginary theorectical bullshit that almost always have nothing to do with anything that actually happens in the games.

You need to go check out a game thread.

And a new thesaurus. That one gave you some ****** words to sound smart with.
 
I never understood why Ward felt that way. They drafted WRs all the time and still do. Look at the WRs drafted since Brown. Ward was just insecure for some reason.

He felt that way because it made him a better football player to feel that way. It did have some basis in reality initially --- at one point Ward did lose his starting job because Edwards and Burress were first rounders (just found an article from 2000 stating that the Steelers plan to start Edwards and Burress had failed so they put Ward back into the starting lineup).

Anyway, it's common. Michael Jordan would invent all sorts of perceived slights to psych himself up for an opponent even though he was already recognized as perhaps the best player ever.
 
Again, stop saying I called Tomlin brilliant when I NEVER ******* said it in my life here or in private. If you would stop expounding other people's thoughts maybe you wouldn't piss people off so damn much. You can disagree with what I said, that's your prerogative and in the end you may even end up being right. I'm not an apologist for Tomlin, or any other member of the organization past or present. I watch and study plenty of football, it doesn't mean **** in the grand scheme of things though.

I've met plenty of friends here over the years, and had some healthy disagreements with many of them over the team when I was being too negative. Difference is they never thought I was condescending. Maybe you aren't trying to be either since you can't infer tone from the typed word. I see what I see, that's what I go with. I can disagree with you without saying you think Cowher was the best coach ever, you know, since you didn't actually say it? I made an effort, it just wasn't good enough. I can live with that.
 
Again, stop saying I called Tomlin brilliant when I NEVER ******* said it in my life here or in private.

No, you didn't. But you were clearly making a statement that cast Tomlin's drafting in a positive light. Yes, "brilliant" is an exaggeration of that, but I don't see how it's any worse than your psychoanalysis bullshit. You say I claim to be "all-knowing" and spewing bullshit "to give himself a giggle." So, no, I don't feel badly about tweaking your ridiculously pro-Tomlin evaluation of his drafting. I know you're no Tomlin nut-hugger, but you told us all that Gilbert is solid, that Sean Spence and Mike Adams are too young and fresh to be evaluated, that Wheaton is looking like a solid #2, etc. You used the performance of guys like Lewis/Wallace/Sanders on their NEW TEAMS - guys the FO chose to let walk - as proof that Tomlin drafts OK. With all due respect, how could anyone read all of that and not assume you're puffing up Tomlin's drafts a little?

If you would stop expounding other people's thoughts maybe you wouldn't piss people off so damn much. You can disagree with what I said, that's your prerogative and in the end you may even end up being right. I'm not an apologist for Tomlin, or any other member of the organization past or present. I watch and study plenty of football, it doesn't mean **** in the grand scheme of things though.

I could not care less whom I "piss off" on an internet message board, nor who thinks I'm pompous or a meeeeeanie. You'll notice I absolutely never "attack" someone who isn't already attacking someone - and I hope you realize the comment I made about you was friendly ribbing with a fellow Steeler fan with whom I've shot the **** for several years now.

I don't claim to be some ******* football oracle, nor do I claim to know the game on some otherworldly level. I didn't play after HS and college intramurals and I've never coached adults. What sucks is that most of this board nowadays thinks using logic and reasoning to explain your side of an issue is pompous and ******. Form an argument that goes beyond "Some of these guys may be good, someday, maybe! But who knows?!" and boom, you're a pompous douche and you've got five nut-huggers following you from thread to threat to ****-talk. Point out that Albert Haynesworth was actually never a true NT and you're a douchefuck who needs to have e-stones thrown at him.

This board has not always been that way. When someone comes out with **** like "Tomlin is awesome, and anyone who disagrees is a TRAITOR and a fake fan!!" yes, I call them out. And when someone is dead-flat-the-****-out wrong about something, I point it out. And when one side of a discussion offers NO analysis, NO reasoning, and uses Bill Cowher's 1994 drafts to prove that Tomlin is awesome before quickly exiting the thread.. yeah, I consider them a less-than-knowledgeable fan. Take this Tomlin debate, for example. You know good and well that logical arguments from Tomlin cheerleaders are few and far between. They usually go nowhere for a few posts, then someone mentions Bill Cowher, then the discussion ends. So I point it out. I ask for people to be accountable for opinions they cry and scream and kick their feet about. Excuse me for such boorish, assholish behavior.

I've met plenty of friends here over the years, and had some healthy disagreements with many of them over the team when I was being too negative. Difference is they never thought I was condescending.

Yes, I know. As I said, this board isn't what it once was. It used to encourage long, detailed discussion, even if - GASP!! - one side actually felt they were right. Or felt that this Steeler or that Steeler isn't very good at football. Now, that type of discussion creates a thousand ****-flinging cheerleader monkeys who can't discuss anything in a logical manner. The only acceptable stance on any issue nowadays is, "I dunno! But we won the Super Bowl six years ago, so how can we criticize the Rooneys?!?"

Maybe you aren't trying to be either since you can't infer tone from the typed word. I see what I see, that's what I go with.

Then I'd suggest you (and others) turn down your Offend-o-Meter. It's the internet, and these are not personal attacks. I'm not ripping into anyone's dying children or calling anyone's mother a *****. I'd say about the most personal I've ever gotten is calling out one fuckstick over his opinion that sometimes women need an old-fashioned beatdown to calm them.

Besides, if I were truly an ultra-pompous windbag who thinks he's better than everyone, why would I post here (or anywhere) for 10+ years? Why would I have friendly acquaintances on here that I've known for years?

I can disagree with you without saying you think Cowher was the best coach ever, you know, since you didn't actually say it? I made an effort, it just wasn't good enough. I can live with that.

No, but you can certainly give a detailed psychoanalysis and tell me how awesome I think I am.
 
Again, stop saying I called Tomlin brilliant when I NEVER ******* said it in my life here or in private. If you would stop expounding other people's thoughts maybe you wouldn't piss people off so damn much. You can disagree with what I said, that's your prerogative and in the end you may even end up being right. I'm not an apologist for Tomlin, or any other member of the organization past or present. I watch and study plenty of football, it doesn't mean **** in the grand scheme of things though.

I've met plenty of friends here over the years, and had some healthy disagreements with many of them over the team when I was being too negative. Difference is they never thought I was condescending. Maybe you aren't trying to be either since you can't infer tone from the typed word. I see what I see, that's what I go with. I can disagree with you without saying you think Cowher was the best coach ever, you know, since you didn't actually say it? I made an effort, it just wasn't good enough. I can live with that.


yeah, but see, when someone is told by ...more than quite a few... that they're being a douchebag, those being told have tended to - in the past - consider that for a moment and then approach the subject from a different angle to get their point across. In the new incarnation of the board, there's poking and provoking, then attacking and telling that poster what their opinion is, even if it's clearly and most certainly NOT what the poster intended. Oh, and if someone gets butt hurt about some needling, they go on for days, weeks, months, nay YEARS about it over and over and over.

yeah, the board most certainly is NOT what it was when we first got here.
 
yeah, but see, when someone is told by ...more than quite a few... that they're being a douchebag, those being told have tended to - in the past - consider that for a moment and then approach the subject from a different angle to get their point across.

...lest they bruise the tender egos and vaginas of its current stalkers-in-residence, who are unable to process and deal with GASP!! internet sarcasm.

In the new incarnation of the board, there's poking and provoking, then attacking and telling that poster what their opinion is, even if it's clearly and most certainly NOT what the poster intended. Oh, and if someone gets butt hurt about some needling, they go on for days, weeks, months, nay YEARS about it over and over and over.

The irony here is just biting. Tell me your Jalen Rose story again, spreadhseet jizz spreadsheet. You can tell it here, or on the other site.
 
Instead of going back and forth over semantics I will take the position that I'm done after this one. I was not defending Tomlin or trying to cast him in any kind of light. I don't need to compare the two of them because it isn't apples/apples. There are some picks made in this regime that have been damn good, and some that have been complete ***. It has no bearing on what the previous regime did any more than it does on what the Hoodie and his cronies do. They have both accomplished what they have on their own merits. If I am too sensitive to your sarcasm then I apologize.

You can absolutely look at the trend for the last couple years and assume that it will continue to get worse and you would be justified. The thing is there is no way to KNOW, you know, like the guaranteed prospects you and Supe went round and round about? You can make an educated guess, but you cannot possibly be proved right or wrong until it plays out.

I enjoy some of the banter, but each one of us has different levels of give a **** when it comes to details. I follow the Steelers and watch as much other football including college as I can. I buy magazines and read online as well as watch online films of upcoming draft prospects too. What I see will likely be different than what you see, and there's nothing wrong with either point of view. You may very well know a lot more than I do, thing is with the way things get discussed around here there is no way to ever know. I'm no better a fan than the casual towel waving fan who can't name half the roster if you put a gun to their head. It's all a matter of perspective. The fact that I got this riled up over nothing tells me I probably need to find something else to do with my time, and that's completely on me. It should have never gotten to the name calling on my part.
 
So, about James Harrison....

Ladies?
 
Do you think his trade value is very high?



Salute the nation
At this point no because he was sitting on his couch with out offers. But if we can we could give him a 5 year contract with a big signing bonus because former DPOTY guys are hard to find.
 
Do you think his trade value is very high?

Only if he was playing for the Pirates.
This thread got a lot shorter after I put Idioteque and andrewtjosh on Ignore.
 
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