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January 6th Committee live on prime time tv

I heard someone say the two groups of people who seem to be most traumatized by the events of Jan. 6 are the politicians and the journalists. Two of the most despised groups in the country. I'm not quite sure how this helps them.
I have my own opinions that January 6 was a Set up “Six ways to Sunday” against Trump. I believe it was a pressure release valve for the system to allow the Democrats to forever smear Donald Trump’s political aspirations and to give the RINOs Political cover to get rid of him. And most of all to make the question of election integrity go away.

It was “a work.”

That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing for the politicians and the political class to have some healthy fear of their Constituents. The truth is that the politicians should all be quaking in their boots for their jobs like Tomlin should have been after the defensive playoff debacles. But of course they are not. Like him, they know they are safe. And not accountable to anyone but the system.
 
I have my own opinions that January 6 was a Set up “Six ways to Sunday” against Trump. I believe it was a pressure release valve for the system to allow the Democrats to forever smear Donald Trump’s political aspirations and to give the RINOs Political cover to get rid of him. And most of all to make the question of election integrity go away.

It was “a work.”

That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing for the politicians and the political class to have some healthy fear of their Constituents. The truth is that the politicians should all be quaking in their boots for their jobs like Tomlin should have been after the defensive playoff debacles. But of course they are not. Like him, they know they are safe. And not accountable to anyone but the system.
It absolutely was a set up. Unfortunately Trump fed into it as well somewhat and unknowingly. I halfway recall him saying he didn't even know his speech was planned. I'd like to know the origins for that. Wouldn't be surprised if half or more of the people he had working for him were on the take.

Remember, the opposition are chess masters and know exactly what they are doing. We joke about all their weird **** but there's a means to the end for everything they do.

What pisses me off and ensures that the Republicans are on the take as well is that they only provide lip service. If anyone wonders why so many back Trump, that's why. He's a belligerent blowhard but he does what he says and doesn't give a **** what the opposition says. That's why he's especially so loved in the South. We appreciate that. Find me any other New Yorker that we can stand much less support. 🤣
 
It absolutely was a set up. Unfortunately Trump fed into it as well somewhat and unknowingly. I halfway recall him saying he didn't even know his speech was planned. I'd like to know the origins for that. Wouldn't be surprised if half or more of the people he had working for him were on the take.

Remember, the opposition are chess masters and know exactly what they are doing. We joke about all their weird **** but there's a means to the end for everything they do.

What pisses me off and ensures that the Republicans are on the take as well is that they only provide lip service. If anyone wonders why so many back Trump, that's why. He's a belligerent blowhard but he does what he says and doesn't give a **** what the opposition says. That's why he's especially so loved in the South. We appreciate that. Find me any other New Yorker that we can stand much less support. 🤣
Trump managed to say and tap into what so many had long felt at a gut level and knew that politicians were afraid to say after a generation of political correctness.
 
people who seem to be most traumatized by the events of Jan. 6

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I'll be so glad when we have this upcoming shift in congressional power
What do you actually think will be accomplished with said shift in power? What have Republicans EVER done to give you hope for ANY change?
 
What do you actually think will be accomplished with said shift in power? What have Republicans EVER done to give you hope for ANY change?
They were doing pretty good with Trump in power. Inflation wasn't at an all-time low. The border wasn't being overrun. And there was no shortage of baby formula. LOL
 
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The guy with the horns is a Democrat. His dad is a Democrat judge in the state of New York. He was at the capital as a plant.
 
I guess some of you still believe that dozens of Republicans in numerous different states, people who supported him, and people in his own administration, including his own daughter, were all in on the conspiracy. Trump is a moronic narcissist who has placed his own ego above the good of this country time and time again. And I base that on nothing said by anyone on this committee. I base it on Trump's own recorded words. They had no evidence of election fraud, they still have presented no evidence of election fraud, and his repeated insistence on this is going to cost us another presidential election, unless he can be convinced not to run again. Did he create an insurrection? No...but was it an organized attempt to undermine a legitimate election with no proof whatsoever? Yes. That is very dangerous to the future of this country. It was dangerous when Al Gore did it, it was dangerous when Hilary did it, and it's dangerous now.
 
I guess some of you still believe that dozens of Republicans in numerous different states, people who supported him, and people in his own administration, including his own daughter, were all in on the conspiracy. Trump is a moronic narcissist who has placed his own ego above the good of this country time and time again. And I base that on nothing said by anyone on this committee. I base it on Trump's own recorded words. They had no evidence of election fraud, they still have presented no evidence of election fraud, and his repeated insistence on this is going to cost us another presidential election, unless he can be convinced not to run again. Did he create an insurrection? No...but was it an organized attempt to undermine a legitimate election with no proof whatsoever? Yes. That is very dangerous to the future of this country. It was dangerous when Al Gore did it, it was dangerous when Hilary did it, and it's dangerous now.
You haven's heard of 2000 Mules or seen all of the evidence in the election fraud thread? The proof is widespread. Do you honestly think Biden got 81 million votes?
 
You haven's heard of 2000 Mules or seen all of the evidence in the election fraud thread? The proof is widespread. Do you honestly think Biden got 81 million votes?
Yes I've read a lot of claims and I've read a lot of debunking of claims and I've seen no real proof of anything. I won't bother to post links because unless they come from Newsmax or some other rightwing source you guys will just discredit them. Why do you think so many Republicans, once supporters of Trump, are not backing these claims? Oh right, they're all in on it, I forgot.

No, it's because there is no real evidence to support them.

I would say probably 25-50% at least of Biden's votes were "anyone but Trump" votes and we will lose the same way again if he runs.
 
Dem's are making heroes of the senate minority leader and Vice President Pence. The got death threats too, it was not only some black woman in Georgia. Trump is gone, but the hero's who stood up to him in his own party remain. Well played Dems, well played. Way to show to world what's happening. In the meantime my 401k has turned into a 201k, gas is way up, food is way up. Rent for those who pay it is way up. The dollar has never been so worthless. And Biden is still building our debt and giving billions to other nations that do nothing for us. The mid terms can't come soon enough.
 
They were doing pretty good with Trump in power. Inflation wasn't at an all-time low. The border wasn't being overrun. And there was no shortage of baby formula. LOL
In fairness they were afraid to go against him for fear of angering the electorate. They weren’t doing it for us. They were doing it to keep their jobs. Do you honestly believe they would behave and vote the same with no Trump? It will be the same disagreement and infighting that has kept them from accomplishing anything the last five times people bought their bullshit and voted for them. Sucks knowing you don’t have a worthwhile choice to cast your vote.
 
I mean where the **** are the Republicans right now? You have a handful shouting from the mountain top everyday, and the rest are hiding in the shadows, quietly afraid of going against the DC establishment. I doubt much will change with Republicans controlling both houses of congress.
 
I mean where the **** are the Republicans right now? You have a handful shouting from the mountain top everyday, and the rest are hiding in the shadows, quietly afraid of going against the DC establishment. I doubt much will change with Republicans controlling both houses of congress.
I think the dems made a mistake when they tried to impeach Trump at every step he took. Now I'm afraid the reps will do the same if they take over the houses. There are other things that need to be considered. Don't waste their time, instead do something meaningful.
 
Yes I've read a lot of claims and I've read a lot of debunking of claims and I've seen no real proof of anything. I won't bother to post links because unless they come from Newsmax or some other rightwing source you guys will just discredit them.

Nobody has "debunked" D'Souza's data; instead, opponents argue that people can be in the same small area 10x or more just because an ice cream stand is nearby or something.

I previously debunked the claimed debunking. Cell phone tracking now pins the phone to a location within 8' of where the person was located. Nothing is within 8' of the voting collection boxes - nothing. The damn things are like mailboxes.

"So what?", you ask. Okay, sure. But the same people - 2000 cell phones - who made at least 10 visits to ballot collection boxes also paid at least 5 visits to "non-profits" that are famous for collecting votes. Exactly how many non-paid operatives went to ballot boxes ten times? And coincidentally also paid at least 5 visits to the (D)imbo-supporting "non-profits"?

Here is the flaccid argument against D'Souza's argument, courtesy of the left-wing shitbox known as Wikipedia:

2000 Mules is a 2022 American political film by political commentator Dinesh D'Souza that falsely[4] claims unnamed nonprofit organizations paid Democrat-aligned "mules" to illegally collect and deposit ballots into drop boxes in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin during the 2020 presidential election. D'Souza has a history of creating and spreading conspiracy theories.[5]

The Associated Press (AP) reported that the film relies on "faulty assumptions, anonymous accounts and improper analysis of cellphone location data" provided by True the Vote, a conservative vote-monitoring organization.[6] FactCheck.org found the film's "supposed evidence is speculative."[7] National Public Radio (NPR) reported True the Vote "made multiple misleading or false claims about its [own] work".[8] AP reported that the film's assertion that True the Vote identified 1,155 paid mules in Philadelphia alone was false. The film presented a single unverified anonymous witness who said she saw people picking up what she "assumed" were payments for ballot collection in Arizona; no evidence of payments was presented in any of the other four states.[6] The film characterizes the alleged operation as "ballot trafficking" with "stash houses", but presents no evidence that ballots were illegally collected to be deposited in drop boxes.[6][9][10][11]

First, the comment "D'Souza has a history of spreading conspiracy theories" is an ad hominem attack. It does not bother to deal with the facts asserted. Strike 1.

The AP claim is an argument based on the assumption that the documentary is faulty, a logical flaw known as begging the question. "You can't believe the film because it's flawed." "Well, why is it flawed?" "Because it's flawed." Strike 2.

"Supposed evidence is speculative." No, the evidence is exactly what it is - cell phone GPS tracking data. There is nothing speculative about that. The data show thousands of people paying at least 10 visits to ballot boxes (how many did you make, OFTB?) and at least 5 visits to vote-harvesting "non-profits." Not one fact is speculative. Know what's speculative? The biased dismissals of this evidence. Strike 3.

True the Vote has made "misleading claims." Another ad hominem attack. Strike 4.

The finding of 1,155 mules in Philadelphia alone is false because it's false. Begging the question yet again. Strike 5.

No evidence the ballots were illegally collected. Ten visits to drop boxes? How ******* many invalid relatives do these people have?? TEN VISITS TO THE DROP BOXES?? Seriously? "No evidence the votes were gathered illegally," when in fact EVERY state cited has laws against ballot harvesting. Strike 6.

What a joke. Video shows poll worker in Fulton County pulling hundreds of ballots from a suitcase stashed under a table and not brought out until the poll watchers sent home and the polling station closed? "Oh, we can explain that. Those are ballot bins, not suitcases, and magic reindeer pull a sleigh, and a fairy gives you two bits for your tooth and ..."

Bullshit. And you are shocked - SHOCKED! - that the criminals engaged in the crime may not be telling the truth when they come up with some bullshit excuse for what they did.
 
Nobody has "debunked" D'Souza's data; instead, opponents argue that people can be in the same small area 10x or more just because an ice cream stand is nearby or something.

I previously debunked the claimed debunking. Cell phone tracking now pins the phone to a location within 8' of where the person was located. Nothing is within 8' of the voting collection boxes - nothing. The damn things are like mailboxes.

"So what?", you ask. Okay, sure. But the same people - 2000 cell phones - who made at least 10 visits to ballot collection boxes also paid at least 5 visits to "non-profits" that are famous for collecting votes. Exactly how many non-paid operatives went to ballot boxes ten times? And coincidentally also paid at least 5 visits to the (D)imbo-supporting "non-profits"?

Here is the flaccid argument against D'Souza's argument, courtesy of the left-wing shitbox known as Wikipedia:



First, the comment "D'Souza has a history of spreading conspiracy theories" is an ad hominem attack. It does not bother to deal with the facts asserted. Strike 1.

The AP claim is an argument based on the assumption that the documentary is faulty, a logical flaw known as begging the question. "You can't believe the film because it's flawed." "Well, why is it flawed?" "Because it's flawed." Strike 2.

"Supposed evidence is speculative." No, the evidence is exactly what it is - cell phone GPS tracking data. There is nothing speculative about that. The data show thousands of people paying at least 10 visits to ballot boxes (how many did you make, OFTB?) and at least 5 visits to vote-harvesting "non-profits." Not one fact is speculative. Know what's speculative? The biased dismissals of this evidence. Strike 3.

True the Vote has made "misleading claims." Another ad hominem attack. Strike 4.

The finding of 1,155 mules in Philadelphia alone is false because it's false. Begging the question yet again. Strike 5.

No evidence the ballots were illegally collected. Ten visits to drop boxes? How ******* many invalid relatives do these people have?? TEN VISITS TO THE DROP BOXES?? Seriously? "No evidence the votes were gathered illegally," when in fact EVERY state cited has laws against ballot harvesting. Strike 6.

What a joke. Video shows poll worker in Fulton County pulling hundreds of ballots from a suitcase stashed under a table and not brought out until the poll watchers sent home and the polling station closed? "Oh, we can explain that. Those are ballot bins, not suitcases, and magic reindeer pull a sleigh, and a fairy gives you two bits for your tooth and ..."

Bullshit. And you are shocked - SHOCKED! - that the criminals engaged in the crime may not be telling the truth when they come up with some bullshit excuse for what they did.



So your theory is that someone like Raffensberger, a lifelong Republican and Trump supporter, was so invested in wanting Biden to win that he is lying to protect people propagating election fraud against Trump?

OK.
 
And Bill Barr, who staked his reputation on declining to prosecute Trump after the Mueller report, is also lying. Cause he wanted Biden to win.
 
I defended Trump throughout the fake and bogus Russian collusion crap. I cannot defend this. He is turning the GOP into the party of cultists and conspiracy theorists. If he persists with these election fraud claims and runs again he will lose. Bigly. I just hope he doesn't manage to take the Red Wave down with him.
 
I think the dems made a mistake when they tried to impeach Trump at every step he took. Now I'm afraid the reps will do the same if they take over the houses. There are other things that need to be considered. Don't waste their time, instead do something meaningful.
But see, the difference is that Biden actually deserves to be impeached. He should be impeached for immigration alone. He is derelict in his duties. He is, in fact, encouraging more law breaking by doing nothing, other than bussing them to your town and hundreds of others without being vaccinated or vetted. Then, to offer the same law breakers tax payer money because they were somehow "wronged." There is a long list of things he could and should be impeached for. If Trump was impeached twice because democrats didn't like him, surely Biden can be impeached for actually breaking the law.
 
I defended Trump throughout the fake and bogus Russian collusion crap. I cannot defend this. He is turning the GOP into the party of cultists and conspiracy theorists. If he persists with these election fraud claims and runs again he will lose. Bigly. I just hope he doesn't manage to take the Red Wave down with him.
I'm not voting for Trump again. DeSantis will carry the same message, articulate it better, and execute the office flawlessly. Trump needs to step aside and allow the movement he built to grow through others.

DeSantis 2024
 
OFTB, the **** you cited does not contain a single fact refuting the video showing a woman pulling a ******* suitcase from under a table with hundreds - thousands - of ballots being counted for some reason when just her and one other woman was present and the counting had supposedly stopped, or the cellphone GPS data.

Jesus ******* Christ, if I present thousands of incidents of the SAME person showing up to ballot collection boxes ten times or more and that same ******* guy coincidentally showing up to "non-profits" at least five times, you think some guy saying "nuh-uh" simply makes that go away?

Okay, fine - I say "nuh-uh" to the guy saying "nuh-uh."

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