Jarvis Jones IS A BUST

[Franco]

He was manhandled by the 2nd string journeyman tackle Gardner last night after Peters left. Jarvis does not have quick hands and we have already seen him awful last year against every tackle he faced. Name another pass rusher that comes in as upright as Jar is with no shoulder lean that is successful ? Not to mention he is slow and weak but hey those patty cake moves which leave him 10 yards past the QB will work,LMFAO, he does not have violent strong hands like a Suggs.

 

[Vader]

If you knew football you'd know those patty cake quick hands can gets sacks in this league. You can't bull rush everyone on strength alone, if they could then James Harrison would still be a factor in this league. Jarvis is still putting it together but he just isn't there yet.

What is he waiting for? I'm not calling him a bust but according to every NFL coach, the biggest leap comes between the 1st and 2nd year. Very few people turn it on after that. I remember clearly everyone on here saying he just needed one more off season to get stronger and learn more moves. Well... now it's time.

Also remember, Jones is not some kid just out of college. He will be 25 years old in two months and has years experience in a 3-4 defense. I'm worried he is already at his potential.

 

[Steelers1356]

He was manhandled by the 2nd string journeyman tackle Gardner last night after Peters left.

Not true. His game actually improved when Peters was pulled, he applied more pressure, and forced Sanchez into a quick throw and nailed him on a play.

 

[Steelz]

All very good points but you all have to remember.. this is only his 2nd preseason game so far this year, 1 game he made a play other game he got shut down. Let him play into the season it's way to early to have this discussion. Lebeau probably hasnt even sent him on a blitz yet, lol lets not all jump ship now.

 

[Franco]

Wrong but then let's hope that Jarvis plays against all 2nd stringers this year.

 

[FordFairLane]

Yes, the more I watch JJ the more I am leaning towards the bust label with him. I really wanted Cordarrelle Patterson with that pick to and we could really use a WR like that opposite Brown this year. Just saying lol

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'll give Jarvis a pass on this one, 6 time pro bowler Peters has manhandled some of the best pass rushers in this league.

Do you also gve a pass for the Eagles backup OT manhandling Jarvis?

i don't give him a pass at all. He's a high draft pick. He was drafted because he's supposed to be able to beat top OT's. The Steelers can send Carter out there to do nothing and at a cheaper price.

Peters is geat so i'm not expecting multiple sacks and a bunch of pressures, but i am expecting more than Zero.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Watched it all last year. No change in his pad level, quickness or technique. These are not results. Im not talking about what he did last night. Im talking about how he looked doing it. I dont care who he went up against. With what he shows it wont matter. He isnt good enough. Simple as that. They drafted the guy on colege output instead of physical attributes and skills. He cant beat NFL quality players with his attributes and techniqu. Wont work and its going to take two more seasons for the team to make it official. Just like Hood. Only difference is Ziggy might fit a different scheme. Jarvis wont.

 

[Steelers1356]

When you have JJ going up against a guy like Peters then it's up to guys like Worilds and Heyward to pick up the slack. Unfortunately last night they didn't.

 

[Steelers1356]

Do you also gve a pass for the Eagles backup OT manhandling Jarvis?

See post # 28. What you just said here never happened.

 

[Vader]

Do you also gve a pass for the Eagles backup OT manhandling Jarvis?

i don't give him a pass at all. He's a high draft pick. He was drafted because he's supposed to be able to beat top OT's. The Steelers can send Carter out there to do nothing and at a cheaper price.

Peters is geat so i'm not expecting multiple sacks and a bunch of pressures, but i am expecting more than Zero.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point in drafting a guy at 15th overall in the draft if he can't beat (or at least compete) with good players? Just drafting guys to beat the clowns and bungles of the world isn't what the Steelers should be about. Which has been the problem for years with Tombert. Their drafting is mind boggling at times.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'm not ready to call him a bust but i think it's becoming clear that he will never be a top pass rusher. His ceiling seems to be a decent #2 who can contribute so long as there are other great pass rushers to get him single teamed regularly. That's a bad draft pick.

First rounders are supposed to be your playmakers. That's how you get in cap trouble, by paying mediocre players first round money.

The steelers might need TWO OLBs next year when Worilds likely leaves. Secondary still looks weak. But hey, we have that gadget offensive player locked down.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

See post # 28. What you just said here never happened.

I'm supposed to get excitied that our first round pick ALMOST made a few plays against a backup LT?

you lower expectations because he faced Peters. Then by that same logic, shouldn't you raise expectations when he faces a backup?

Jarvis should be dominating backups. I believe the backup LT was Andrew Gardner who is an undrafted free agent on his 6th team in 4 years. Are you saying i'm unreasonable in expecting a high first round pick to be able to dominate a guy like that?

 

[Vader]

I'm not ready to call him a bust but i think it's becoming clear that he will never be a top pass rusher. His ceiling seems to be a decent #2 who can contribute so long as there are other great pass rushers to get him single teamed regularly. That's a bad draft pick.

First rounders are supposed to be your playmakers. That's how you get in cap trouble, by paying mediocre players first round money.

The steelers might need TWO OLBs next year when Worilds likely leaves. Secondary still looks weak. But hey, we have that gadget offensive player locked down.

I don't think he will be a bust. But as you say, he will not be a great ROLB. I think he'll have a few splash play. But you need more than that from your #1 (17th overall) draft pick. He needs to show that he can handle that side. To date he hasn't done that.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Just like Hood. Only difference is Ziggy might fit a different scheme. Jarvis wont.

Another difference is the OLB position carrying significantly more importance than DE in the 3-4.

They cannot tolerate four years of Jones being "just a guy" in the defense, like they did with Hood. It's an impact position.

If he does not show progress, they're going to have to take legitimate steps to replace him,

 

[Vader]

Another difference is the OLB position carrying significantly more importance than DE in the 3-4.

They cannot tolerate four years of Jones being "just a guy" in the defense, like they did with Hood. It's an impact position.

If he does not show progress, they're going to have to take legitimate steps to replace him,

That would not point the arrow up but rather in the scheme of things point the arrow at a continuous declarant trend in the exact opposite direction correlating to a reactionary dip into the collegiate ranks to extrapolate a similar humanoid of more bountiful physical ability into perpetuity.

 

[Punxsutawney]

That would not point the arrow up but rather in the scheme of things point the arrow at a continuous declarant trend in the exact opposite direction correlating to a reactionary dip into the collegiate ranks to extrapolate a similar humanoid of more bountiful physical ability into perpetuity.

Makes sense.

 

[FordFairLane]

Here's an idea, we could scratch the 34 (obviously not this season) and go to a 43? Timmons and Shazier can play pretty much anywhere and with Spence, JJ, and Garvin we should be able to fill out the three LB's spots. Worilds can go to DE, Heyward or Tuitt to DE (other to DT) and McLendon at DT with McCullers coming in on running downs. Probably draft another pure DE next year early along with a CB. I feel bad for Taylor because his style of play is just not going to fit into the NFL anymore. He relies too much on grabbing and hand placement rather than flipping your hips and running with your guy.

 

[mightyguru]

The pass rush was non-existent last night...does not bode well.

 

[F83]

sign harrison so if jj shows nothing we have a reliable back up.

 

[Steelers1356]

I'm supposed to get excitied that our first round pick ALMOST made a few plays against a backup LT?

you lower expectations because he faced Peters. Then by that same logic, shouldn't you raise expectations when he faces a backup?

Jarvis should be dominating backups. I believe the backup LT was Andrew Gardner who is an undrafted free agent on his 6th team in 4 years. Are you saying i'm unreasonable in expecting a high first round pick to be able to dominate a guy like that?

He was in the QB's face on numerous occasions when Peters left, and that was even with 3 second drop backs and quick releases. But I can understand with the frustration over Jones's performance against Peters that people would expect a sack on every play against the backup LT.

 

[jsc2536]

Another great draft pick by our boy Tomlin....just like Timmons, no pressure, engage a blocker and hold on for dear life, or just run around the field looking at the play unfold right in front of their eyes.

 

[SteelerSask2]

He was in the QB's face on numerous occasions when Peters left, and that was even with 3 second drop backs and quick releases. But I can understand with the frustration over Jones's performance against Peters that people would expect a sack on every play against the backup LT.

I would live with coming down the line unblocked and at least interrupting the run play. Sack on every play. Make A play. Or at least look like you might be capable of something by not standing straight up.

 

[wig]

The Steelers have recently run out series of defensive linemen and outside linebackers who "almost" make plays in the backfield. I don't think anybody almost made more plays than Kiesel. He very nearly sacked the quarterback a bunch of times. Frankly one of my all-time favorite defensive linemen didn't make nearly as many plays as he set up for other guys. Aaron Smith was a guy who just locked down his side of the line and let the linebackers destroy anything that attempted to move on that side. I don't necessarily NEED Jones to do anything more than engage and fully occupy a couple of linemen or at least a tackle and a tight-end every now and then. Hell if he could do THAT I'd be thrilled as it would free somebody else up to make a play. But if Jones is so ineffectual that he not only doesn't engage anyone usefully but also takes himself out of the play, well... That's just frickin' great!

 

[Vader]

The Steelers have recently run out series of defensive linemen and outside linebackers who "almost" make plays in the backfield. I don't think anybody almost made more plays than Kiesel. He very nearly sacked the quarterback a bunch of times. Frankly one of my all-time favorite defensive linemen didn't make nearly as many plays as he set up for other guys. Aaron Smith was a guy who just locked down his side of the line and let the linebackers destroy anything that attempted to move on that side. I don't necessarily NEED Jones to do anything more than engage and fully occupy a couple of linemen or at least a tackle and a tight-end every now and then. Hell if he could do THAT I'd be thrilled as it would free somebody else up to make a play. But if Jones is so ineffectual that he not only doesn't engage anyone usefully but also takes himself out of the play, well... That's just frickin' great!

You can't have the ROLB in a 3-4 just take up blockers. They are the setup to be the sackers. Jones isn't a DE so he better damn well do more than take up blockers.