Mason is back

[Fiji Mariner]

I’m with you here Drink. I’m already sick of this narcissist Rodgers who is playing with the Steelers and Giants.
I’d pull the offer and try now and re sign Wilson.

Pull the offer now AND tell Russ to go eat a bag of dicks too…fixed it for yinz

We got Rudy!!! We don’t need no stinkin’ geriatrics when the savior of the Tomlinship is already in the building!!! And further more the QB problem
Is solved for at least 2 years now…whew!!!

That being said draft a QB this year AND next and hopefully one pans out before “the savior’s” contract is up. If this year’s drafted QB isn’t developing draft 2 next year and quit ******* around.

I actually think Rudy fits AS system pretty well, time will tell if the irony of a drafted QB stealing his lunch doesn’t happen and he’s relegated to a backup role yet again-he did sign with the groundhog’s day franchise after all.

 

[Buster]

Call me crazy. I would rather have a 4 win season with Mason than have Aaron and the **** show he brings on our roster.

 

[Litos]

I was encouraged with some of the smaller moves Kahn made early on, but given what's gone at at the wide receiver position last year and quarterback right now, I have to question his ability as a GM. With Kahn being a "numbers guy," one has to wonder what he was thinking to allow Fields to walk for just an 5 extra million a year. This would have been the perfect time to put some faith in Fields as a starter, and found out if he could've turned the corner with the same OC for the first time in his career. Then they let Roberts go, and use $10 mill on his replacement, Malik Harrison, who is basically a special teams player. Like, why?

Now he's bringing back a quarterback in Rudolph who is nothing more than a career backup, and the Steelers basically have their fingers up their @sses, waiting on the musings of a 41-year old has-been. Don't be surprised if they end up crawling to Russ, and this shitshow can start another act with two QBs who have already proved that they can't accomplish anything in Pittsburgh.

Between the Penguins and Steelers, it's hard to say which team is being more mismanaged at this point.

10M? You say it like it's a yearly avg. The guy got 2 years, 5M each and he probably doesn't have much of that guaranteed.

I agree with what you are saying, but that part of Roberts replacement isn't accurate

 

[MT~Forged]

If you haven’t reached the conclusion on the following three things I’m afraid I cannot help you:

We are just reaching different conclusions, with differing opinions of what appears to be happening.

A) The Steeler majority owner Arthur Rooney II is an incompetent owner who has no idea how to orchestrate a winner and by winner I’m not referring to non losing seasons being above the league mean.

OK, I agree if the Owners intent is to win Championships. If the Owners Intent is to make money regardless of how the team does, he is doing it right.

B) The franchise has a GM who it’s obvious does not have the experience to have been given this job. He lacks scouting and player experience never having even served as an assistant GM. He’s a bean counter, a Capologist, a good one but not a GM.

Ok, just differ in assessment. I think if we were to look at every GM today and, in the past, a large number of them will not have done every job before being promoted. I happen to think the current organizational structure is working well and am not sure that if the roles were reversed, they would be working as well. Just a slight difference of opinion.

C) The team is saddled with a very overrated and mediocre head coach. Never bad enough to have his team finish with losing records but never good enough to help build a championship caliber team.
Given far too much authority in helping Kahn construct the roster.

This I believe we are in 100% agreement, but see (A) reply

This is where we are in 2025 and it starts at the top. Just look at what’s happening with this Rodgers debacle. A good owner would never allow his team to be humiliated like this especially from some narcissistic attention grabbing over the hill player.
That’s where we are as careers are being wasted in TJ, Minkah, and Hayward.

I think this issue is really more of a "Media" issue than anything else. I'm sure these things have gone on for years, just today everyone thinks they are a "reporter" throwing up opinion pieces as if they were news.

 

[MT~Forged]

I would partially ignore the combine. Guys have bad days. I wouldn't take him the first or second, but I would consider him late 3rd or fourth. I am not sure what to think of Dart but I like Shough from the third on.

True, but since it is the ONLY time I have seen him in any capacity, that is what I am basing my opinion. At best he would be my 5th or 6th option

 

[Ron Burgundy]

19 - 0 - 1 Baby………..

This season’s body of work.

0-0-17 is still a non-losing season.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

lol.

 

[SteelerFan448]

At this point I'd be cool with Mason starting and signing another cheap backup.

 

[Stainless]

I would not want to be Fairlane's junk right now.

 

[SteelerSask2]

When Ben Retired I was for giving Rudy a season. He does have a very punchable face. I will admit that.

 

[Omar10213245]

Milroe!!! Milroe!!! Milroe!!!







In the 3rd of course...

Hell no! Hell no! Hell no!

 

[Drink IRON City]

I would not want to be Fairlane's junk right now.

Fordy’s thinking maybe you could be……………… later

LoL



Salute the nation

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Should take a qb in the first 3 rounds this year and do the same next year.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Should take a qb in the first 3 rounds this year and do the same next year.

Well that's one or three this year. And they still need an interior Dline, a running back and a corner.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Well that's one or three this year. And they still need an interior Dline, a running back and a corner.

im not convinced they dont plan on playing Benton at Left D Tackle this year. But i understand we have holes to fill.

Also is it possible they plan on using Warren and the new guy from Eagles . As rotational Starters?

 

[topseed]

Why, because he can't DEMAND someone sign a contract? The QB market has been really crappy for the last couple of years, especially when you don't have the money against the cap to chase the top guys.

No, because Kahn low-balled Fields by 10 million dollars, and instead decided to spend that very same money on a below-average backup inside linebacker.

They had a value they placed on him. Smart money guys don't just "wing" it, they evaluate, make a plan, then stick to it. IF the NY deal was already on the table when they made their offer then why make it in the first place, just let him walk. People are undervalued every day. I have lost employees before because I didn't feel I could pay what they got elsewhere, it happens.

"Smart money guys" don't undervalue key assets, especially at the quarterback position in the NFL. With all due respect to whatever it is you do for a living.

By the fact that they made an offer, it tells me that they were open to that direction. It was also obvious that they were still going to be looking to upgrade the Fields option too. Again, the player wanted to be guaranteed the starting job without the demonstration that they deserved it, they didn't want to have to compete. These young players are too damn entitled today.

Upgrade the Fields option to whom, exactly? Who was a better option amongst this weak crop of free agents? Sam Darnold? Daniel Jones? Please. The player earned the right to the starting job by performing considerably well last year for the Steelers during his six starts in a new system. And after going 4-2, Fields took his demotion like a man, even though it wasn't completely warranted, so calling him "entitled" might be a bit of a stretch.

They signed a NEEDED B/U QB for peanuts. The Rudolph signing has no impact on the search for a starting QB. If they feel Rudolph is capable of starting if they get no one else, they did it cheap. My guess is that Rudolph is/was never in the starting QB discussion.

Let's hope that Rudolph isn't in the starting QB discussion. But at this point, God only knows who his competition will be, so that very well may end up being the case.

I like how you consider $8 million over two years to be "peanuts," yet 10 extra million over two years was outlandish for your smart money guy to offer the starter.

 

[topseed]

Excuse? Because I corrected someone’s incorrect statement about Mason “familiarity with the system” which he has never ran.

Actually @Steelmann mentioned Rudolph coming back into a Steelers' system which, "for the last 5 years" has been close to the bottom of the league offensively. Arthur Smith has only been here for one of those years, so clearly he wasn't only talking about Smith.

But that's OK. When Rudolph has to go in for a few games and inevitably fails, you'll have your built-in excuse of his unfamiliarity with Arthur Smith at the ready. Among several others, no doubt.

 

[topseed]

The quote was in reference to Rudolph not having played in a Smith offense, so you have no idea what he will do if forced into starting.

Yes, and as I mentioned above, the poster misunderstood what was originally clearly stated. And yes, I do have an idea about what Rudolph will do if he's forced to start: He'll be completely mediocre, and he'll fit right back into place around here. Under Arthur Smith or any other coordinator.

 

[topseed]

10M? You say it like it's a yearly avg. The guy got 2 years, 5M each and he probably doesn't have much of that guaranteed.

I agree with what you are saying, but that part of Roberts replacement isn't accurate

No, I didn't say it like a yearly average. I said it's 10 million over two years, which is precisely the difference between what the Steelers and Jets offered Fields: 2 years for 30 million versus 2 years for 40 million. Now if you want to argue semantics, then yes, that entire extra 10 million would have been guaranteed to Fields, whereas only 4.08 mill is guaranteed to the Steelers' new backup backup inside linebacker who can't cover his grandmother. You got me there.

 

[MT~Forged]

No, because Kahn low-balled Fields by 10 million dollars, and instead decided to spend that very same money on a below-average backup inside linebacker.

I read the offer was for $15 million/yr, 2 years. That means he was valued $5 million less than NY and not as much guaranteed plus apparently the starting spot.

"Smart money guys" don't undervalue key assets, especially at the quarterback position in the NFL. With all due respect to whatever it is you do for a living.

The team has more insight into Fields “value” than NY does. He played as you would hope your B/U will when needed. He didn’t do anything special, and obviously didn’t impress enough to try and salvage any of the last 6 games. The valued him as a B/U with a chance to start. NY valued him as a possible starter hence the higher payment. Next year will show who was right.

Upgrade the Fields option to whom, exactly? Who was a better option amongst this weak crop of free agents? Sam Darnold? Daniel Jones? Please.

I said they looked to still upgrade from the Fields option, not that they were going to pull it off

The player earned the right to the starting job by performing considerably well last year for the Steelers during his six starts in a new system.

We differ here, I agree that he had the right to COMPETE to start. Though with Tomlin, who knows if it would be a real shot.

And after going 4-2, Fields took his demotion like a man, even though it wasn't completely warranted, so calling him "entitled" might be a bit of a stretch.

The reporting made it sound like he felt entitled to be the starter, he hadn’t earn that yet. This is not the second year that a QB didn’t want to COMPETE for the job.

Let's hope that Rudolph isn't in the starting QB discussion. But at this point, God only knows who his competition will be, so that very well may end up being the case.

We both agree here

I like how you consider $8 million over two years to be "peanuts," yet 10 extra million over two years was outlandish for your smart money guy to offer the starter.

You obviously didn’t read all of that part of the post because IF he started and played well, I would have paid more than NY and made sure he got more money going forward. If he didn’t start he would have been paid based on the 24 B/U QB’s $$$. Being on the hook for $20 million a year for a backup was too much in my opinion.

 

[MT~Forged]

Yes, and as I mentioned above, the poster misunderstood what was originally clearly stated. And yes, I do have an idea about what Rudolph will do if he's forced to start: He'll be completely mediocre, and he'll fit right back into place around here. Under Arthur Smith or any other coordinator.

Obviously by what he was valued at, less than Fields.

 

[Litos]

No, I didn't say it like a yearly average. I said it's 10 million over two years, which is precisely the difference between what the Steelers and Jets offered Fields: 2 years for 30 million versus 2 years for 40 million. Now if you want to argue semantics, then yes, that entire extra 10 million would have been guaranteed to Fields, whereas only 4.08 mill is guaranteed to the Steelers' new backup backup inside linebacker who can't cover his grandmother. You got me there.

It's not about "getting you", just discussing a point, in a friendly way. Roberts would be riding the pine with the development of Wilson and the return of Holcomb, your 4th LB better be a ST demon, then there's also the age factor. The guaranteed money is just 1 more million than what Roberts got, and this comes from a guy that really wanted him back and felt he was a Steeler through and through.

Also I really doubt the reason they didn't sign Field was because they got Malik at 10M for 2 years instead of Roberts at 3M. The money is there, the problem is probably that Tomlin doesn't trust him enough... Which sucks

 

[SteelerFan448]

Also I really doubt the reason they didn't sign Field was because they got Malik at 10M for 2 years instead of Roberts at 3M. The money is there, the problem is probably that Tomlin doesn't trust him enough... Which sucks

I’d lean this way as well because the Steelers seem willing to spend the same or more on Rodgers.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Call me crazy. I would rather have a 4 win season with Mason than have Aaron and the **** show he brings on our roster.

You’re crazy.
Rudy will get us a 9 win season!
That’s all that is required!

 

[Hypocycloids]

Rudy is back and Myles isn’t going anywhere. Friendships rekindled.