MNF

[slashsteel]

Jimmy had a 103 passer rating in his last season in San Fran. I would say that was looking pretty good. Trey was a bad draft pick who wouldn't look good anywhere.

That's this guys approach. He gets proven wrong then he expands his debate.

Oh Brock will have a better career with that HC,scheme, and better skill players. No ****.

Wow that is really going out on a limb.

 

[madinsomniac]

Ok, sorry. Second worst game of his NFL career. If you want physically talented then I am sure Pickett has more than Purdy as he is bigger with a bigger arm. But Purdy has way better anticipation, accuracy, and reads the defense way better. If you want to bet I will bet Purdy has the better career than Pickett right now. I am sure of it. And if Kyle's offense can make anyone look awesome why didn't Jimmy Garoppolo or Trey Lance look at good? Both way more physically talented than Purdy.

Garrapalo did look good. He had a passer rating at 99.something for his career in SF… he was perpetually mentioned as one of the best qbs … people gushed about his record when not hurt…
Take a look at his contract history… the niners paid him like 112 million over his contract life

He only left because he restructured his deal last year ensuring that they couldn’t use another franchise tag on him… then got hurt… but still it worked out… he signed a nearly 70 million dollar contract with the raiders and his passer rating dropped 20 points… had the 9rs traded him to a loser last year, he would have not gotten any huge deal as a ufa… he knew what the system did for him…

And they gave up on lance because he kept trying to force deep passes to justify what they spent on him rather than play within the system… that kid is really young.. he could easily turn out better than Pickett or Purdy when all is said and done…

 

[madinsomniac]

The thing we all have to remember about qb stats for the first year or so is that they simply don’t correlate to anything long term.

Guys will be absolutely great for a year or two and end up as bums, guys will be horrendous and make the HOF. Guys will be mediocre and go in any direction…

They will adjust to the league and the league adjusts to them then things level out.. it’s true at all positions, but particularly at QB..

 

[slashsteel]

The thing we all have to remember about qb stats for the first year or so is that they simply don’t correlate to anything long term.

Guys will be absolutely great for a year or two and end up as bums, guys will be horrendous and make the HOF. Guys will be mediocre and go in any direction…

They will adjust to the league and the league adjusts to them then things level out.. it’s true at all positions, but particularly at QB..

Exactly always a wait and see, that stat line for either means nothing out of the gates

 

[madinsomniac]

Pickett definitely has happy feet sometimes.., the line has given him few reasons to trust it yet, but those pressures are dropping weekly… he went from easily the most pressured qb in the league to just top five now…

Given time to use the correct footwork, his passes are very accurate.. so this is why later in games, when he isn’t looking to avoid hits, he is making plays… the early happy feet are definitely from self preservation.. hopefully the line gels more and this fades away

 

[Steelmann]

Pickett definitely has happy feet sometimes.., the line has given him few reasons to trust it yet, but those pressures are dropping weekly… he went from easily the most pressured qb in the league to just top five now…

Given time to use the correct footwork, his passes are very accurate.. so this is why later in games, when he isn’t looking to avoid hits, he is making plays… the early happy feet are definitely from self preservation.. hopefully the line gels more and this fades away

You put the work in today on those posts Mad. I too feel the line will slowly but surely get better. Along with Kenny having a better feel for what to do under pressure. Let’s hope he shows steady improvement. Can you imagine. Last night Cousins threw 45 times with no sacks against a very good SF defence. We can only dream.

 

[FordFairLane]

Garrapalo did look good. He had a passer rating at 99.something for his career in SF… he was perpetually mentioned as one of the best qbs … people gushed about his record when not hurt…
Take a look at his contract history… the niners paid him like 112 million over his contract life

He only left because he restructured his deal last year ensuring that they couldn’t use another franchise tag on him… then got hurt… but still it worked out… he signed a nearly 70 million dollar contract with the raiders and his passer rating dropped 20 points… had the 9rs traded him to a loser last year, he would have not gotten any huge deal as a ufa… he knew what the system did for him…

And they gave up on lance because he kept trying to force deep passes to justify what they spent on him rather than play within the system… that kid is really young.. he could easily turn out better than Pickett or Purdy when all is said and done…

Jimmy G's best season he had 27 tds and under 4k. If he did that every year I would say he was a good QB but that was his best season. After that he hit 20 tds once. I never considering Jimmy G a top 15 QB and I don't know anyone else that did. Just because the '9ers or Vegas overpaid for him does not mean he was good either. And his 98 QB rating isn't near what Purdy and his 120 rating is. If I would guess what season Purdy has it would be north of Jimmy G's best season and I don't see it dropping much from there either. I think the average QB rating in the NFL is like 90 so Jimmy has averaged slightly better than the average. I guess that doesn't make him bad.

Trey Lance could be good. I wasn't a big fan because his level of competition in college and lack of starts. Not a lot to go off of in college. Probably the best thing for him is to sit for a few seasons behind Dak and develop.

But if you look at Jimmy, Trey, Pickett and Purdy and you were a betting man who would you put your money on to have the best career? I would guess after McDaniels is canned Jimmy is cut. He could get another starting opportunity but not guaranteed. I would guess he likely is a backup or a stepping stone for a team who drafts a QB high. Like Trubisky. That is a guess but again do you think Jimmy garners a lot of interest in free agency? So if he doesn't that is a less than 20k passing yard career. Hell, all three Pickett, Trey and Purdy might beat that. But if Purdy just keeps doing what he is doing he could easily pass that by the time he is 28.

 

[slashsteel]

If I was a betting man I would bet that your agenda never changes. It goes on and on and on like the energizer bunny.

Kenny Kenny Kenny !

 

[jiminoh]

From the Steelernation home page it seems Kenny has a huge fan named Terry Bradshaw. Good read and watch IMO.

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/10/24/steelers-bradshaw-issues-inspired-response-cowherd-criticism-pickett

 

[Drink IRON City]

I'm Tomlin having a beer with Canada watching Monday Night Football. Look muthafucka we are running that play. (MCcaffery TD)

I could definitely see that other than Tomlin being that decisive--------- maybe a little more less agressive

Tomlin : Look my friend, your free pass is wearing thin, i'm taking heat so----- Look mother-fucka we are running that play.


Salute the nation

 

[steelhurt]

Kenny is going to be fine and I like the way he’s taken over this offense since he got the starting job,
From my observations from Sundays game I’m wondering more and more if it’s not more Tomlin’s game plan to start out very conservative with the offensive game plan. It was the same old same ole in the first half with the same bs predictable plays but suddenly in the second half play calling changed. Started working the middle of the field spreading the ball out and used some play action, and definitely established a rythem.
It’s like Shades doesn’t want to take risks but rather play snail ball in the first half to keep the game close then open up more in the second half especially the fourth quarter.
Very strange coaching philosophy from Shades but seems like that’s his plan.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Pickett definitely has happy feet sometimes.., the line has given him few reasons to trust it yet, but those pressures are dropping weekly… he went from easily the most pressured qb in the league to just top five now…

Given time to use the correct footwork, his passes are very accurate.. so this is why later in games, when he isn’t looking to avoid hits, he is making plays… the early happy feet are definitely from self preservation.. hopefully the line gels more and this fades away

Pickett has visibly been working on his happy feet the past two games. It's been a noticeable difference standing in the pocket and stepping up to make throws. He still needs to improve in this area of his game and a lot will come down to trust with the offensive line.

 

[jitter77]

Jimmy is 56-23 as a starter which translates to about 71% winning percentage or 12 games / year. That ranks him 7th of all time. I would say that is pretty good

 

[topseed]

Jimmy G's best season he had 27 tds and under 4k. If he did that every year I would say he was a good QB but that was his best season. After that he hit 20 tds once. I never considering Jimmy G a top 15 QB and I don't know anyone else that did. Just because the '9ers or Vegas overpaid for him does not mean he was good either. And his 98 QB rating isn't near what Purdy and his 120 rating is. If I would guess what season Purdy has it would be north of Jimmy G's best season and I don't see it dropping much from there either. I think the average QB rating in the NFL is like 90 so Jimmy has averaged slightly better than the average. I guess that doesn't make him bad.

Do you just pull numbers out of your asshoIe, and pray that nobody double-checks? Purdy's career QB rating is NOT 120, it's 107.2

 

[slashsteel]

Do you just pull numbers out of your asshoIe, and pray that nobody double-checks? Purdy's career QB rating is NOT 120, it's 107.2

The stats man can't even add the correct stats. Zoinks, ruh roh curses foiled again!

 

[FordFairLane]

Kenny is going to be fine and I like the way he’s taken over this offense since he got the starting job,
From my observations from Sundays game I’m wondering more and more if it’s not more Tomlin’s game plan to start out very conservative with the offensive game plan. It was the same old same ole in the first half with the same bs predictable plays but suddenly in the second half play calling changed. Started working the middle of the field spreading the ball out and used some play action, and definitely established a rythem.
It’s like Shades doesn’t want to take risks but rather play snail ball in the first half to keep the game close then open up more in the second half especially the fourth quarter.
Very strange coaching philosophy from Shades but seems like that’s his plan.

I 100% agree. If you look at Haley, Fichtner and Canada they all run a similar offense under Tomlin. If you look at Haley with the Chiefs, Fichtner with Memphis, and Canada

 

[FordFairLane]

Do you just pull numbers out of your asshoIe, and pray that nobody double-checks? Purdy's career QB rating is NOT 120, it's 107.2

Sorry, I didn’t look. It was 120+ last week when I did check. It’s still far above the average and 2nd in the NFL.

 

[slashsteel]

Why wouldn't you look? You are presenting a debate based on what you think you remember instead of looking it up?

A subject that you love to talk about constantly and you don't take the time to confirm what you think?


Then when you are wrong it is a convenient excuse, deflection. Or expand your debate.


SMH

 

[madinsomniac]

The whole purdy passer rating thing thing really drives home how early it really is to make judgements about these players… two bad games dramatically dropped his passer rating…

The thing is, stories like Purdy or Ben are very rare, because usually teams with great D’s and established veteran O’s never let a rookie anywhere near starting…even if you are drafting high enough to get a qb, you usually want to develop him for a couple of years before turning that team over to him… it takes injuries to make those opportunities…

And I cannot stress this enough.. Purdy hasn’t even started a whole season yet… its far too early to know if the kid is going to be an all pro or a flash in the pan good story for a year or two… i mean look at Matt Jones… one of the best rookie campaigns ever, made the Pro Bowl… he is probably losing his job next year… he almost did this season…

Marcus Mariota was the second coming for two years, then the bottom dropped out of his career…
Baker Mayfield? One season in guys on this site were preaching doom and gloom because Cleveland found an elite QB… newsflash, he is a meh starter who loses games more than he contributes to wins… and RG3 was virtually elected to the HOF after his rookie season…

The first one or two seasons doesn’t define your career or the path its going to take…

 

[slashsteel]

The whole purdy passer rating thing thing really drives home how early it really is to make judgements about these players… two bad games dramatically dropped his passer rating…

The thing is, stories like Purdy or Ben are very rare, because usually teams with great D’s and established veteran O’s never let a rookie anywhere near starting…even if you are drafting high enough to get a qb, you usually want to develop him for a couple of years before turning that team over to him… it takes injuries to make those opportunities…

And I cannot stress this enough.. Purdy hasn’t even started a whole season yet… its far too early to know if the kid is going to be an all pro or a flash in the pan good story for a year or two… i mean look at Matt Jones… one of the best rookie campaigns ever, made the Pro Bowl… he is probably losing his job next year… he almost did this season…

Marcus Mariota was the second coming for two years, then the bottom dropped out of his career…
Baker Mayfield? One season in guys on this site were preaching doom and gloom because Cleveland found an elite QB… newsflash, he is a meh starter who loses games more than he contributes to wins… and RG3 was virtually elected to the HOF after his rookie season…

The first one or two seasons doesn’t define your career or the path its going to take…

Very true and good examples.

 

[FordFairLane]

The whole purdy passer rating thing thing really drives home how early it really is to make judgements about these players… two bad games dramatically dropped his passer rating…

The thing is, stories like Purdy or Ben are very rare, because usually teams with great D’s and established veteran O’s never let a rookie anywhere near starting…even if you are drafting high enough to get a qb, you usually want to develop him for a couple of years before turning that team over to him… it takes injuries to make those opportunities…

And I cannot stress this enough.. Purdy hasn’t even started a whole season yet… its far too early to know if the kid is going to be an all pro or a flash in the pan good story for a year or two… i mean look at Matt Jones… one of the best rookie campaigns ever, made the Pro Bowl… he is probably losing his job next year… he almost did this season…

Marcus Mariota was the second coming for two years, then the bottom dropped out of his career…
Baker Mayfield? One season in guys on this site were preaching doom and gloom because Cleveland found an elite QB… newsflash, he is a meh starter who loses games more than he contributes to wins… and RG3 was virtually elected to the HOF after his rookie season…

The first one or two seasons doesn’t define your career or the path its going to take…

I agree no one knows where Purdy, Pickett, Willis, Howell, Ridder etc will be in 5 years. But who is playing above the bar? Even MNF watching Purdy in his game he realizes only had one horrible throw. Pass got away from him. Other than that he threw before his man was open and was very accurate. The one thing I have noticed is his arm isn’t as strong as it was last year. I would guess he isn’t 100% from his elbow injury. So if anything I think he will get better as his arm gets stronger. And I get he has a good supporting cast. But it’s not like he’s throwing to scrubs. DJ, George and Pat are all very good offensive players. I mean look at Cousins without Jefferson or Stafford without Kupp. Thosw guys just get it done.

 

[slashsteel]

DJ was hurt how many games? Pat has been hurt how much this season?

George is just learning his way.

Which team has the better O-line? Better playcallers?

You keep on trying to justify your comparisons but it is beyond silly.

Then typical again of your debates you bring in other players.

What the **** does it matter who is playing above the bar when the guy explained none of it matters in the earlier stages?

You claim to be this high level football expert but just not seeing it.

Not even a little it.

 

[topseed]

Sorry, I didn’t look. It was 120+ last week when I did check. It’s still far above the average and 2nd in the NFL.

If a guy's career passer rating can drop 13 points in such a short period of time, then I'd venture to say that his sample size at this point is inadequate, and perhaps it's a bit early to crown him. Purdy has played well overall so far, but definitely showed some cracks over the past two weeks.

 

[FordFairLane]

If a guy's career passer rating can drop 13 points in such a short period of time, then I'd venture to say that his sample size at this point is inadequate, and perhaps it's a bit early to crown him. Purdy has played well overall so far, but definitely showed some cracks over the past two weeks.

How about this. If KP’s next 12 passes were 100 yard touchdowns passes he still wouldn’t 11 QB rating points behind Purdy. Or how about the next 12 passes Brock Purdy throws are interceptions he would still be 10 points ahead of Kenny Pickett.

It’s early. But I guess I want to emphasize how far ahead of the pack Purdy is.

 

[slashsteel]

Anything to knock Kenny down is what you want to emphasize. Regardless that is your opinion only that Purdy is way above Kenny. When posters showed you statistical comparisons between the two facing the same teams it didn't support your opinion. You know stats that you claim paint the whole picture just not when you don't want to use them. Just like you don't want to acknowledge a poor scheme, poor playcaller, restrictive HC,spotty O-line contributes to the QB performance differences.

You love what you perceive as a fact so here is a your level type of fact.

Kenny will be a successful NFL QB, because Ford thinks otherwise.
I now look forward to his successful career, thank you.