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[topseed]

How about this. If KP’s next 12 passes were 100 yard touchdowns passes he still wouldn’t 11 QB rating points behind Purdy. Or how about the next 12 passes Brock Purdy throws are interceptions he would still be 10 points ahead of Kenny Pickett.

It’s early. But I guess I want to emphasize how far ahead of the pack Purdy is.

How about this -- there's no such thing as a 100-yard pass.

Lots of guys have been ahead of the pack before, and never amounted to much. What I can tell you is this: If Purdy does wind up continuing his success, he'll only need to usurp Ryan Fitzpatrick (a man who played in the NFL until he was 39 years of age, and never even made the playoffs!) as the best 7th round quarterback of all-time. The guy lasted until the last pick in the draft for a reason. Tom Brady sixth round Cinderella stories are few and far between.

 

[FordFairLane]

How about this -- there's no such thing as a 100-yard pass.

Lots of guys have been ahead of the pack before, and never amounted to much. What I can tell you is this: If Purdy does wind up continuing his success, he'll only need to usurp Ryan Fitzpatrick (a man who played in the NFL until he was 39 years of age, and never even made the playoffs!) as the best 7th round quarterback of all-time. The guy lasted until the last pick in the draft for a reason. Tom Brady sixth round Cinderella stories are few and far between.

Purdy could have a Ryan Fitzpatrick type career. Not a bad career. I mean if we were guaranteed 35k 223 tds from Pickett I would take it.

 

[slashsteel]

I favor wins over TDs and yards. I could care less about fantasy football. Give me a winner, a clutch QB ten out of ten times.

 

[topseed]

Purdy could have a Ryan Fitzpatrick type career. Not a bad career. I mean if we were guaranteed 35k 223 tds from Pickett I would take it.

A career record of 59-87-1 and ZERO playoff appearances in 14 years, and you'd take it. You make me laugh.

 

[Drink IRON City]

How about this -- there's no such thing as a 100-yard pass.

Lots of guys have been ahead of the pack before, and never amounted to much. What I can tell you is this: If Purdy does wind up continuing his success, he'll only need to usurp Ryan Fitzpatrick (a man who played in the NFL until he was 39 years of age, and never even made the playoffs!) as the best 7th round quarterback of all-time. The guy lasted until the last pick in the draft for a reason. Tom Brady sixth round Cinderella stories are few and far between.

Keep in mind that the t*mmyb* Cinderella story had cheating supplementing his cheating asss.


Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

I favor wins over TDs and yards. I could care less about fantasy football. Give me a winner, a clutch QB ten out of ten times.

I’m sure BR7 met this criteria.

I’m NOT a fantasy football fan either. 20+ years ago when that started I continuously told fellow football friends that this is the start of the “death” of football as we know it and intended it to be played.


Salute the nation

 

[FordFairLane]

A career record of 59-87-1 and ZERO playoff appearances in 14 years, and you'd take it. You make me laugh.

And Nolan Ryan sucks because he was a .500 pitcher. Wins are because of a team. Not because of an individual. Would you say Matthew Stafford is a bad QB? I mean he has a losing NFL record and all. Or is Steve Bono a good QB because he had a 2/3 winning record? What about Mike Kruczek? He was 6-0 as a rookie.

 

[slashsteel]

I can't be wrong I can't be wrong what about (insert QB name here) derp dip dedo.

Look at this sport a a a and this player a a and.

I know what a post route is no way can I be wrong no way.

PS: Red nosed Rudy is the greatest third stringer ever!

 

[topseed]

And Nolan Ryan sucks because he was a .500 pitcher. Wins are because of a team. Not because of an individual. Would you say Matthew Stafford is a bad QB? I mean he has a losing NFL record and all. Or is Steve Bono a good QB because he had a 2/3 winning record? What about Mike Kruczek? He was 6-0 as a rookie.

Nolan Ryan is the all-time strikeouts leader in the history of baseball, with over 800 more than the the second guy on the list. He is generally recognized as one of the greatest pitchers ever, having revolutionized the game. And actually, he was 32 games over .500 in his career.

Of course you can find anomalies like Steve Bono at 28-14 or small sample sizes of a guy who won all 6 of his career starts. So what? Yeah, Fitzpatrick is in the same stratosphere of athletes as Nolan Ryan. You can't be this stupid.

 

[jitter77]

And Nolan Ryan sucks because he was a .500 pitcher. Wins are because of a team. Not because of an individual. Would you say Matthew Stafford is a bad QB? I mean he has a losing NFL record and all. Or is Steve Bono a good QB because he had a 2/3 winning record? What about Mike Kruczek? He was 6-0 as a rookie.

oh so now the team and scheme matter?

 

[FordFairLane]

Nolan Ryan is the all-time strikeouts leader in the history of baseball, with over 800 more than the the second guy on the list. He is generally recognized as one of the greatest pitchers ever, having revolutionized the game. And actually, he was 32 games over .500 in his career.

Of course you can find anomalies like Steve Bono at 28-14 or small sample sizes of a guy who won all 6 of his career starts. So what? Yeah, Fitzpatrick is in the same stratosphere of athletes as Nolan Ryan. You can't be this stupid.

Matthew Stafford? Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't Stafford or Nolan Ryan. But is he in the same league as a Jay Cutler or Tony Romo. Yes. If Kenny could become that good of a QB would anyone really be upset? Fitzpatricks win loss record was because he ways almost always on teams. He wasn't going to take a 4 win team and put them on his back and win 10. He wasn't that type of NFL QB. But he was a guy who was above par. He wasn't the reason teams lost. He did his job well and at least put his team in a position to win.

 

[FordFairLane]

oh so now the team and scheme matter?

Oh, scheme is why Kruczek won. Yeah. 126 yards a game 0 tds and 3 ints. Definitely the offensive scheme and not the defense.

 

[slashsteel]

Yeah nothing like a bad loss to come on and resume talking about the Kenny agenda.

Nothing else is important.

 

[topseed]

Matthew Stafford? Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't Stafford or Nolan Ryan. But is he in the same league as a Jay Cutler or Tony Romo. Yes. If Kenny could become that good of a QB would anyone really be upset? Fitzpatricks win loss record was because he ways almost always on teams. He wasn't going to take a 4 win team and put them on his back and win 10. He wasn't that type of NFL QB. But he was a guy who was above par. He wasn't the reason teams lost. He did his job well and at least put his team in a position to win.

Matthew Stafford is a good quarterback. Not a great quarterback, not a "Nolan Ryan" type of quarterback. This is his 15th year in the NFL, and he's made the Pro Bowl once. ONCE. He played on shltty teams for most of his career and was 0-3 in the playoffs before he landed with the Rams in 2021 and played very well, winning his only 4 postseason games including the Super Bowl. You know, something Ryan Fitzpatrick never thought about doing? Not sure what Stafford has to do with a career journeyman who started more than 13 games only 3 times in 17 seasons, and still managed to finish 28 games under .500 overall.

Yes, of course I'd be upset if Kenny was so "good" that he had an absolutely shltty career record, and never made the playoffs (unless he moved on from the Steelers to eight other teams like a certain somebody did -- then I wouldn't give a shlt). But my brain is normal.

 

[FordFairLane]

Matthew Stafford is a good quarterback. Not a great quarterback, not a "Nolan Ryan" type of quarterback. This is his 15th year in the NFL, and he's made the Pro Bowl once. ONCE. He played on shltty teams for most of his career and was 0-3 in the playoffs before he landed with the Rams in 2021 and played very well, winning his only 4 postseason games including the Super Bowl. You know, something Ryan Fitzpatrick never thought about doing? Not sure what Stafford has to do with a career journeyman who started more than 13 games only 3 times in 17 seasons, and still managed to finish 28 games under .500 overall.

Yes, of course I'd be upset if Kenny was so "good" that he had an absolutely shltty career record, and never made the playoffs (unless he moved on from the Steelers to eight other teams like a certain somebody did -- then I wouldn't give a shlt). But my brain is normal.

Matthew Stafford might not be Nolan Ryan but he every bit if not more the QB as Ben Roethlisberger. And yes, he has played for some teams. And as such he doesn't have the wins of a Ben Roethlisberger. Because WINS are because of a team. Individual numbers are how you rank and individual player on a crappy team. Barry Sanders is largely considered the best RB of all time. Has one career playoff game victory. Doesn't negate the fact he was a phenomenal individual player.

 

[topseed]

Matthew Stafford might not be Nolan Ryan but he every bit if not more the QB as Ben Roethlisberger.

Well, maybe you can be that stupid. I stand corrected.

And yes, he has played for some teams. And as such he doesn't have the wins of a Ben Roethlisberger. Because WINS are because of a team. Individual numbers are how you rank and individual player on a crappy team. Barry Sanders is largely considered the best RB of all time. Has one career playoff game victory. Doesn't negate the fact he was a phenomenal individual player.

Now you're bringing Nolan Ryan AND Barry Sanders into a Ryan Fitzpatrick conversation. Good God, man. Give up already. lol

 

[FordFairLane]

Well, maybe you can be that stupid. I stand corrected.

Now you're bringing Nolan Ryan AND Barry Sanders into a Ryan Fitzpatrick conversation. Good God, man. Give up already. lol

So because I am not wearing your rose colored glasses, I am stupid? Look at the numbers. Stafford averages more yards and TDS per game than Roethlisberger. If he plays two years after this year he will have more yards than Roethlisberger. If he plays until he is 40 he will be 3rd in all time passing yards. But yeah. He isn't as good as Roethlisberger. I. AM. SO. STUPID.

Your argument is that Stafford doesn't have wins because he played on a bad team. My argument is that Fitzpatrick doesn't have wins because he played on bad teams. I think you won my argument for me.

Thank you

 

[topseed]

So because I am not wearing your rose colored glasses, I am stupid? Look at the numbers. Stafford averages more yards and TDS per game than Roethlisberger. If he plays two years after this year he will have more yards than Roethlisberger. If he plays until he is 40 he will be 3rd in all time passing yards. But yeah. He isn't as good as Roethlisberger. I. AM. SO. STUPID.

No argument there.

So Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan have similar career numbers to Ben, and Rivers actually threw more TDs. Are they "every bit if not more" the quarterbacks that Ben Roethlisberger was? Are Carson Palmer and Vinny Testeverde better than Joe Montana because they both threw for more yards and touchdowns?

NO, Matthew Stafford is not as good or better than Ben. It's not rose-colored glasses. Take a poll in LA, or Detroit, or the f*cking moon, and you'll find that your (stupid) opinion is in the VAST minority.

Your argument is that Stafford doesn't have wins because he played on a bad team. My argument is that Fitzpatrick doesn't have wins because he played on bad teams. I think you won my argument for me.

Thank you

No, actually my argument is:

a) that neither Matt Stafford, nor Nolan Ryan, nor Barry Sanders, nor Ben Roethlisberger, nor Michael Jordan or the goddamn Easter Bunny have anything to do with a journeyman who was just good enough to start and lose games everywhere he went for shltty teams who were desperate for an average quarterback, and

b) that no fan with half a brain would want Kenny Pickett to turn out to be an average journeyman playing for the Steelers.

You're welcome.

 

[FordFairLane]

No argument there.

So Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan have similar career numbers to Ben, and Rivers actually threw more TDs. Are they "every bit if not more" the quarterbacks that Ben Roethlisberger was? Are Carson Palmer and Vinny Testeverde better than Joe Montana because they both threw for more yards and touchdowns?

NO, Matthew Stafford is not as good or better than Ben. It's not rose-colored glasses. Take a poll in LA, or Detroit, or the f*cking moon, and you'll find that your (stupid) opinion is in the VAST minority.

I have compared Roethlisberger to Matt Ryan and Phillip Rivers before in the past. If either of those two players were on the TEAM of Ben Roethlisberger they would have more wins than they currently have.

Palmer played in a different era. And Vinny threw 127 more picks as Joe.

Yes, you wear rose colored glasses. Go ask a non-Steelers fan about Rivers and Roethlisberger if they were comparable. I am sure they will give Ben the nod because of the wins and super bowls but if you ask would Rivers have won a super bowl or two with the teams Roethlisberger played on you are probably going to get pissed at them too.

 

[slashsteel]

No argument there.

So Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan have similar career numbers to Ben, and Rivers actually threw more TDs. Are they "every bit if not more" the quarterbacks that Ben Roethlisberger was? Are Carson Palmer and Vinny Testeverde better than Joe Montana because they both threw for more yards and touchdowns?

NO, Matthew Stafford is not as good or better than Ben. It's not rose-colored glasses. Take a poll in LA, or Detroit, or the f*cking moon, and you'll find that your (stupid) opinion is in the VAST minority.


No, actually my argument is:

a) that neither Matt Stafford, nor Nolan Ryan, nor Barry Sanders, nor Ben Roethlisberger, nor Michael Jordan or the goddamn Easter Bunny have anything to do with a journeyman who was just good enough to start and lose games everywhere he went for shltty teams who were desperate for an average quarterback, and

b) that no fan with half a brain would want Kenny Pickett to turn out to be an average journeyman playing for the Steelers.

You're welcome.

And this is the guy that thinks he has superior football intelligence to every poster he encounters. This guy actually thinks Stafford is equal or greater than Bigben? You can't make this **** up

If any poster in this world shouldn't break down QBs it's FordlessHairLane.

Again just some bizarre opinions.

 

[slashsteel]

Matt Ryan? Bwahahaha

I can't breathe.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Matt Ryan? Bwahahaha

I can't breathe.

Both Ryan and Rivers had quality talent with them for years. Never could get over the hump and what ATL did in the SB is laughable.

I always like Rivers as he was like BB and balls out, tough as nails. But he can’t hold BB jock.

 

[FordFairLane]

Both Ryan and Rivers had quality talent with them for years. Never could get over the hump and what ATL did in the SB is laughable.

I always like Rivers as he was like BB and balls out, tough as nails. But he can’t hold BB jock.

Did Rivers have the same level of talent around him? Did he have AB, Wallace, Sanders, Hines, Plaxico, Holmes type players? He had Gates and Vincent Jackson. One converted basketball player and a late round pick and then Keenan Allen.

Ryan had Julio Jones and Roddy White.

Neither Atlanta or Chargers had the defenses year in and out Ben had.

I mean if I am wrong and there’s a bunch of receivers I forgot please tell me. I just can’t remember any.

 

[Steeltime]

Did Rivers have the same level of talent around him? Did he have AB, Wallace, Sanders, Hines, Plaxico, Holmes type players? He had Gates and Vincent Jackson.

Jesus, he had Ladanian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, Keenan McCardell and Vincent Jackson.

 

[Omar10213245]

Good Lord, Ford, stop embarrassing yourself and bow out of this thread before its too late!!