Nationwide dog and pony **** show.

[Superman]

Whatever you can get your hands on, I guess.

well, that is YOUR specified end game, since you called for a complete gun ban and confiscation.
so, what is legal in Tibs' Rosy World that would allow me to defend myself and family in case of break-in by one or more criminals?

 

[Tibs]

well, that is YOUR specified end game, since you called for a complete gun ban and confiscation. so, what is legal in Tibs' Rosy World that would allow me to defend myself and family in case of break-in by one or more criminals?

- any non semi-automatic weapon you legally own
- baseball bat
- ceramic vase
- mace / pepper spray
- halberd, battle axe, pike, crossbow
- banana peels, tactically placed
- buckets of scalding hot oil, carefully placed above head jambs
- trebuchet, custom-built to fit under ceiling
- rottweiler, doberman, pit bull
- custom-made flamethrower - can of deodorant lit with lighter
- bear traps, booby traps

That's all I got for you for now.

 

[Superman]

- any non semi-automatic weapon you legally own
- baseball bat
- ceramic vase
- mace / pepper spray
- halberd, battle axe, pike, crossbow
- banana peels, tactically placed
- buckets of scalding hot oil, carefully placed above head jambs
- trebuchet, custom-built to fit under ceiling
- rottweiler, doberman, pit bull
- custom-made flamethrower - can of deodorant lit with lighter
- bear traps, booby traps

That's all I got for you for now.

the ones in red are a bullshit answer to a rather serious question. thank you for not taking family safety serious. I assume if a break-in occurs at your house, you'll utilize the above highlighted in red?

as for any non-semiautomatic, one trigger pull = one bullet = semi-auto.
so you're suggesting I use a bolt action rifle as a means of securing my house during a break-in by one or more criminals? is that even realistic to suggest, Tibs?

a baseball bat might be good if it were just a single person, but likely not the best option.

I'm not going Looney Tunes and giving a criminal or criminals a vase of flowers.

the halberd, battle axe, pike and ... crossbow (btw, crossbow is one pull, one release of a projectile, so ...???) are completely insane options. but, you're suggesting I go medieval on them. So I get to employ vigilante justice and maybe draw and quarter after capturing these hooligans? maybe even put them in the torture rack? or dip them in boiling oil? flay?

 

[Tibs]

thank you for not taking family safety serious.

Don't worry, Trump and the GOP ain't taking away your guns.

The assault weapons ban legislature put forward (but never passed) by the Dems a few years ago had a grandfather clause stating everyone can keep their existing guns. The ban in 1994 was on a specific type of weapon, so your hysterics that people want to erase the 2nd amendment altogether and make ALL guns illegal is laughable, as nobody is suggesting that.

Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[SUP][16][/SUP]

<dl><dd>Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Bayonet mount
• Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
• Grenade launcher

</dd><dd>Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

• Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
• Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
• Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
• Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
• A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

</dd><dd>Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Detachable magazine.

</dd></dl>
The ban defined the following semi-automatic firearms, as well as any copies or duplicates of them in any caliber, as assault weapons:

[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TH]Name of firearm[/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (AKs) (all models)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Beretta AR-70 (SC-70)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Colt AR-15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN-LAR, FNC[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SWD (MAC type) M-10, M-11, M11/9, M12[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steyr AUG[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

 

[Superman]

Don't worry, Trump and the GOP ain't taking away your guns.

The assault weapons ban legislature put forward (but never passed) by the Dems a few years ago had a grandfather clause stating everyone can keep their existing guns. The ban in 1994 was on a specific type of weapon, so your hysterics that people want to erase the 2nd amendment altogether and make ALL guns illegal is laughable, as nobody is suggesting that.

absolutely NOT what i was talking about, Tibs.

YOU stated a couple pages ago that you were absolutely for a ban and confiscation.
so, I ask you, in your world of ban and confiscation, what is allowed to be used to protect one's family?

what about branches of Tibs' family who remain in the US? What should they be allowed to use in the same circumstance?

 

[Tibs]

absolutely NOT what i was talking about, Tibs. YOU stated a couple pages ago that you were absolutely for a ban and confiscation. so, I ask you, in your world of ban and confiscation, what is allowed to be used to protect one's family?

I don't give a **** what you use for protection. I wrote a couple of pages ago I'd support an assault weapons & high capacity magazine ban. That's it. You came back with your over-the-top response that I was calling for a ban on all weapons. I don't see anything changing soon, so arm yourself to the teeth and stay safe buddy.

 

[Superman]

I don't give a **** what you use for protection. I wrote a couple of pages ago I'd support an assault weapons & high capacity magazine ban. That's it. You came back with your over-the-top response that I was calling for a ban on all weapons. I don't see anything changing soon, so arm yourself to the teeth and stay safe buddy.

because you defined that you do not understand what you're banning.
you do not. you're marching lockstep with the rest of the left in banning guns, because something - anything- must be done, even if it saves just one life.

fine.... take ALL the goddamn guns. Every single ******* one of them. Not even a ******* Nerf gun is allowed anymore.

Epic Utopia, correct???

now, how are you going to have a single mother defend herself from 2-3 guys intent on raping her?
are you going to give her a magic dog whistle that will create a "Time out" a la Saved By The Bell when she blows into it?

you need to think about the lives saved by people who have guns - even if they are NOT fired, not used and simply seen by a would-be criminal.

think outside that leftist box you're so firmly entrenched.

 

[Tibs]

Nope, wrong again.

I'd support an assault weapons ban as outlined in my post above, along the lines of this > https://www.scribd.com/document/372469353/Assault-Weapons-Ban-of-2018#from_embed

That contains a very specific list of weapons that would be covered by such legislature.

Maybe you've hit your quota for hyperbole and hysterics for the week, try to take a deep breath and calm down a little.

 

[deljzc]

I'm actually not all that against the 1994 assault weapons ban.

The problem I have is I don't think that law did much to really help "prevent" gun violence or gun deaths. It was kind of superficial to me in that I don't think it really "stopped" gun owners from being a deterrent to governmental tyranny and I don't think it "stopped" gun violence/death the way liberals describe it.

Thus the 1994 law was kind of a dog and pony show of it own. All flash, no substance.

Again, I have stated in my 10-step "what I would do" that I would lower magazine capacities to 10 bullets (maybe 12, but that's splitting hairs). I just would be okay with that as a federal law and I think it would hold up under Constitutional scrutiny. I do think it wouldn't reduce "gun deaths" by all that much, however I do think it would have an effect on the efficiency of the very rare "mass shooting events" that account for such a media circus and emotional outburst from the public.

It would be up to each individual to decide if taking away 10-12+ magazine clips is Constitutionally prohibitive enough to counter balance the rare events I do think it would save lives (and each person has to decide that).

I have my opinion, everyone has theirs. C'est la vie.

 

[Tibs]

What I would support is a ban on assault rifles and pistols and high capacity magazines.

It's a lot of weapons for sure, but not all weapons, not by a long shot. I believe the list goes something like this:

All AK types, including the following:
AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–7, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.
IZHMASH Saiga AK.
MAADI AK47 and ARM.
Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.
Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.
All AR types, including the following:
AR–10.
AR–15.
Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.
Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.
Armalite M15–T.
Barrett REC7.
Beretta AR–70.
Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.
Bushmaster ACR.
Bushmaster Carbon 15.
Bushmaster MOE series.
Bushmaster XM15.
Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.
Colt Match Target rifles.
CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.
Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles.
Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.
Diamondback DB15 rifles.
DoubleStar AR rifles.
DPMS Tactical rifles.
DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.
Heckler & Koch MR556.
High Standard HSA–15 rifles.
Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.
Knight’s Armament SR–15
Lancer L15 rifles.
MGI Hydra Series rifles.
Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.
Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.
Olympic Arms.
POF USA P415.
Precision Firearms AR rifles.
Remington R–15 rifles.
Rhino Arms AR rifles.
Rock River Arms LAR–15.
Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.
SKS with a detachable magazine.
Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.
Stag Arms AR rifles.
Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.
Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.
Windham Weaponry AR rifles.
WMD Guns Big Beast.
Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles.
Barrett M107A1.
Barrett M82A1.
Beretta CX4 Storm.
Calico Liberty Series.
CETME Sporter.
Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2,
AR 100, and AR 110C.
Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1
Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.
Feather Industries AT–9.
Galil Model AR and Model ARM.
Hi-Point Carbine.
HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–10
PSG–1, and HK USC.
IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.
Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.
SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.
Springfield Armory SAR–48.
Steyr AUG.
Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.
All Thompson rifles, including the following:
Thompson M1SB.
Thompson T1100D.
Thompson T150D.
Thompson T1B.
Thompson T1B100D.
Thompson T1B50D.
Thompson T1BSB.
Thompson T1–C.
Thompson T1D.
Thompson T1SB.
Thompson T5.
Thompson T5100D.
Thompson TM1.
Thompson TM1C.
UMAREX UZI rifle.
UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.
Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.
Vector Arms UZI Type.
Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

All of the following pistols, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

All AK–47 types, including the following:
Centurion 39 AK pistol.
CZ Scorpion pistol.
Draco AK–47 pistol.
HCR AK–47 pistol.
IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol.
Krinkov pistol.
Mini Draco AK–47 pistol.
PAP M92 pistol.
Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.
All AR–15 types, including the following:
American Spirit AR–15 pistol.
Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol.
Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol
GEN II.
CORE Rifle Systems CORE15
Roscoe pistol.
Daniel Defense MK18 pistol.
DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol
DPMS AR–15 pistol.
Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol
Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol.
Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol.
POF USA AR pistols.
Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol
Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.
Calico Liberty pistols.
DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.
Encom MP–9 and MP–45.
Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.
Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion,
TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.
IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.
Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.
The following MAC types:
MAC–10.
MAC–11.
Masterpiece Arms MPA A930
Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol.
Military Armament Corp.
Ingram M–11.
Velocity Arms VMAC.
Sig Sauer P556 pistol.
Sites Spectre
All Thompson types, including the following:
Thompson TA510D.
Thompson TA5.
All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

All of the following shotguns, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
DERYA Anakon MC–1980, Anakon SD12.
Doruk Lethal shotguns.
Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12.
All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:
IZHMASH Saiga 12.
IZHMASH Saiga 12S.
IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01.
IZHMASH Saiga 12K.
IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030.
IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika.
Streetsweeper.
Striker 12.

All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB and FN M2495.

Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled. The frame or receiver of a rifle or shot-gun described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (F), (G), (H), (J), or (K). The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’— means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’

 

[Superman]

and still shows how clueless you are about all of this, Tibs.

 

[Tibs]

and still shows how clueless you are about all of this, Tibs.

Fine, I'm clueless. You have your opinion, I have mine. Shoot me.

 

[Spike]

Round up all the anti-American leftwing radicals and lock them up



Despite media narrative, study says teenagers made up just 10 percent of March for Our Lives crowd

A university professor studying large-scale, Trump-era protests in Washington says the media is giving the wrong impression about who made up the crowd during last weekend’s anti-gun March for Our Lives demonstration.

“My research tells a different story about who participated in the March for Our Lives — and it is more complicated and less well-packaged for prime time,” University of Maryland sociology professor Dana R. Fisher wrote in a Wednesday story for the Washington Post.

Fisher’s study indicates that -- while news coverage focused on the teenagers marching for gun control in the wake of last month’s shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida

90 percent of the crowd was actually adults. She said the average age of adults in the crowd was just under 49.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ust-10-percent-march-for-our-lives-crowd.html


------------------------

You LOST!


Get over it

 

[ark steel]

If you have ever been almost trampled by a crowd, i think you'd change your mind about 10 rounds being a big enough magazine.

If i had lived in the places like fergjson or la during ths riots, id have want magazines that are more than 10 rounds.

 

[Troglodyte]

The government has those type of weapons. Which is precisely why civilians need those type of weapons. The Second Amendment is not about hunting.

By that logic, civilians need nuclear weapons.

 

[Tibs]

By that logic, civilians need nuclear weapons.

And hand grenades, RPG's, M252 Mortars, FGM-148 Javelins, Patriot PAC-3 missiles, landmines and MK-38 25mm guns....and, and.... these should all be covered by the 2nd Amendment. Why are they not? "..shall not be infringed!'

 

[hamster]

I ordered a A-10 Warthog on Amazon.

Now I got to find a place to park it.

 

[CoolieMan]

I ordered a A-10 Warthog on Amazon.

Now I got to find a place to park it.

I have space in my back yard

 

[Steeler Pride]

I don't give a **** what you use for protection. I wrote a couple of pages ago I'd support an assault weapons & high capacity magazine ban. That's it. You came back with your over-the-top response that I was calling for a ban on all weapons. I don't see anything changing soon, so arm yourself to the teeth and stay safe buddy.

What exactly is an assault weapon?

 

[Tibs]

What exactly is an assault weapon?

According to Supe I'm clueless about such things, so better to ask him. Or simply google it, if you're desperate for an answer.

Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[SUP][1][/SUP] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Some firearms are specified by name.[SUP][3][/SUP] At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."

 

[Steeler Pride]

At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."

LOL, so pretty much any handgun would meet that description. So semi-automatic is now considered "rapid fire"? It is amusing when people with little to no gun handling experience write laws concerning something they know nothing about.

 

[Iron95]

And hand grenades, RPG's, M252 Mortars, FGM-148 Javelins, Patriot PAC-3 missiles, landmines and MK-38 25mm guns....and, and.... these should all be covered by the 2nd Amendment. Why are they not? "..shall not be infringed!'

We are going to need all of that **** when your communist ******* friends try to destroy our country.

The bottom line is.......none of this means **** because, trying to take away our guns is going to start a civil war.
Even the Dems dont really want that. They just want to stir up trouble.

 

[Stryker]

What exactly is an assault weapon?

A scary looking gun. Duh...

 

[Troglodyte]

We are going to need all of that **** when your communist ******* friends try to destroy our country.

“Thank you for fighting for our right to legally obtain RPGs” said the home-grown radical Islamic terrorist.

 

[Steeler Pride]

“Thank you for fighting for our right to legally obtain RPGs” said the home-grown radical Islamic terrorist.

They should also thank Obama for refusing to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorists or trying to put a stop to it.