Noooooo (Tomlin 2 year extension)

[steelerscotty]

Obviously, the rest of the league views Omar Epps . . .err . . .coach T as an HC of some pedigree. Let us not live in our fears, we must own this and embrace this. I believe his arrow is firmly pointed horizontally but we should leave no rock unturned in trying to be positive about our cup . . .being . . .popcorn?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Dri 2.0

 

[Vader]

And before dismissing this move as the ultimate no-brainer, understand that other finalists for the Steelers job weren’t going to retain LeBeau or the scheme.

I'm curious about this. How does he know that? The only finalists I remember is Grimm and Rivera. Why would Grimm want to change the defense? I can understand Rivera because he is a defensive minded coach but Grimm? Was there a quote stating this somewhere?

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

It's hilarious that Tomlin apologists want to compare him to Cowher while ignoring the fact that Tomlin has had a Hall of Fame QB his entire career while Cowher was having success without one, then dominated once Ben was drafted.

Cowher without Ben - 12 Seasons 115-76-1 60.2%
Playoffs 8 times, 7-8, SB appearance, 1 one-and-done, Missed 4 times

Cowher with Ben - 3 Seasons 34-14 70.8%
Playoffs 2 times, 5-1, SB win, Missed 1 time (Ben hit in the face with a car + appendectomy + SB hangover = 2-6 start, 6-2 finish)

Tomlin with Ben - 8 Seasons 82-46 64.1%
Playoffs 5 times, 9-5, SB win, SB appearance, 3 one-and-dones, Missed 3 times

Tomlin having Ben in his prime compared to Cowher with **** at QB...you should expect Tomlin to have more success. The fact is, Cowher's tenure pre-Ben is very comparable to Tomlin's tenure with Ben.

In this same vein, as del pointed out, the Bengals, with Marvin Lewis, have made the playoffs just as many times as Tomlin/Roethlisberger since 2007. The difference? Ben, LeBeau, and an amazing defense that were all in place when Tomlin was hired resulting in two SB runs.

As the defense Cowher/Colbert built deteriorated, so has our success. Tomlin was supposed to be a "defense guy", but we've seen our defense fall into mediocrity with failures like Ziggy Hood plugged in as multi-year starters.

This was supposed to be the year where Tomlin proved the apologists right, that he's turned this team around and things are getting back on track and earned his extension.

 

[Steelbar]

Has there ever been a coach extended that had a franchise QB in his prime and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years ?

 

[awboatguy]

Well nothing else to say other than he's our coach and I support him, even if I think it was a premature move. Maybe he is drawing interest from other teams and the FO feels he's better than what will be out there in 2 years, so they felt they needed to make a move. Good luck Coach Cool Shades! Bring us #7!

 

[TAS]

I feel sorry for Ben

 

[antdrewjosh]

Hahahahahaha

 

[SteelerFan448]

Well nothing else to say other than he's our coach and I support him, even if I think it was a premature move. Maybe he is drawing interest from other teams and the FO feels he's better than what will be out there in 2 years, so they felt they needed to make a move. Good luck Coach Cool Shades! Bring us #7!

No need to overthink things. They extended him because he had two years left on his deal and that is when they extend the HC's contract. Tomlin has one Super Bowl, another appearance, just won the division for I think the fourth time and probably the only thing that people looked at today, never has had a losing season. From the franchise's perspective, this was a no brainer.

 

[Steelerfan81]

Trade Ben

 

[Steelerfan]

Dri 2.0

Not until 180 pages

 

[Ron Burgundy]

No need to overthink things. They extended him because he had two years left on his deal and that is when they extend the HC's contract. Tomlin has one Super Bowl, another appearance, just won the division for I think the fourth time and probably the only thing that people looked at today, never has had a losing season. From the franchise's perspective, this was a no brainer.

I have said many times over that no matter what we say here, in ten more years Cool Shades will still be the coach of this team. Obviously, if you will, and making popcorn under stones back at the lab.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

hahahaha this post was essentially the Tomlin Hater roll call:

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

No need to overthink things. They extended him because he had two years left on his deal and that is when they extend the HC's contract. Tomlin has one Super Bowl, another appearance, just won the division for I think the fourth time and probably the only thing that people looked at today, never has had a losing season. From the franchise's perspective, this was a no brainer.

It's hilarious that Tomlin apologists want to compare him to Cowher while ignoring the fact that Tomlin has had a Hall of Fame QB his entire career while Cowher was having success without one, then dominated once Ben was drafted.

Cowher without Ben - 12 Seasons 115-76-1 60.2%
Playoffs 8 times, 7-8, SB appearance, 1 one-and-done, Missed 4 times

Cowher with Ben - 3 Seasons 34-14 70.8%
Playoffs 2 times, 5-1, SB win, Missed 1 time (Ben hit in the face with a car + appendectomy + SB hangover = 2-6 start, 6-2 finish)

Tomlin with Ben - 8 Seasons 82-46 64.1%
Playoffs 5 times, 9-5, SB win, SB appearance, 3 one-and-dones, Missed 3 times

Tomlin having Ben in his prime compared to Cowher with **** at QB...you should expect Tomlin to have more success. The fact is, Cowher's tenure pre-Ben is very comparable to Tomlin's tenure with Ben.

In this same vein, as del pointed out, the Bengals, with Marvin Lewis, have made the playoffs just as many times as Tomlin/Roethlisberger since 2007. The difference? Ben, LeBeau, and an amazing defense that were all in place when Tomlin was hired resulting in two SB runs.

As the defense Cowher/Colbert built deteriorated, so has our success. Tomlin was supposed to be a "defense guy", but we've seen our defense fall into mediocrity with failures like Ziggy Hood plugged in as multi-year starters.

This was supposed to be the year where Tomlin proved the apologists right, that he's turned this team around and things are getting back on track and earned his extension.

asdfagag

 

[Steelerfan81]

128-82 isn't the correct win loss total for Tomlin with Ben..

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

128-82 isn't the correct win loss total for Tomlin with Ben..

My bad, I looked at the game total.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htm

The percentages are the same.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Here's the problem with Tomlin. 8 season in and it's still unclear if he's really good or not. Even his supporters don't really praise him, they simply defend him by saying he's done pretty good or better than average.

I think he was completely unqualified when he was hired. The steelers loved him in the interview and i do think that the makers of the Rooney rule did like the idea of hiring a black coach. I'm not saying that's why he was hired, but it would be naive to think it wasn't a factor.

The main reason they hired him is they loved him in the interview. They knew he may not have been ready, but he would have been hired as HC by somebody within a few seasons. The steelers like hiring a young coach and they give them time. A coach would have to be a real trainwreck not to get at least 4 seasons from the steelers.

Bottom line is they liked Tomlin and knew they had to hire him then or he'd never be the steelers coach.

That's my opinion but when you look at how they "helped" Tomlin by insisting most of the staff be kept, it seems pretty logical that they knew Tomlin was not ready yet. I can't imagine them telling an experienced coach that he didn't have full control over his own staff.

So here we are, 8 years later and while Tomlin is a better coach, i doubt many would mention him among the top coaches in the game.

It's also telling that this is a 2 year extension. Hardly an "all in" type investment. Just enough of an extension that his future is not a topic for a few more years. But still not long or rich enough that the Steelers can't get rid of him if they lose faith in a year or 2.

For that reason, it's a good move. It removes a possible distraction and doesn't tie their hands.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yet he is being paid like one of the best coaches in the game by a franchise notorious for not spending money or being very frugal. The pendulum is swinging upward. We have a offense people are calling the best in football. A young but improving defense with numerous high draft choices. We have the best trio in football and what some are calling a potential top 5 Oline. If the young defense is just decent we can go far in what is a offensive league. I for one am excited

 

[topseed]

I never said, in any off-season to date, that would fire Mike Tomlin.

But I have said I would NEVER have given him an extension with 2-years left on his deal based on his last 4 seasons.

The only real change I've endorsed or would have strongly recommended was to fire Colbert after the 2013 season (second straight 8-8 season). I recommended that because I don't know exactly what Tomlin brings to the table and I wanted a fresh set of eyes to evaluate his job performance. We've talked about this ad nauseum, but I don't think Art Rooney nearly has his finger on the pulse of this franchise like Dan Rooney did. To me there is just too much Colbert/Tomlin running the show for my liking.

But then we have the sort of typical happy Rooney season (11-5 and a first round home loss in the playoffs) that this organization loves to endorse as "above the line" and they just won't change things under those circumstances.

I'm just not a fan of the extension now and wanted to wait and see on this season.

And I have no problem stating I think Tomlin has been pretty much average since he's been here (if you take all the underachievements vs. the over achievements).

I never thought the Steelers wouldn't extend Tomlin (which is probably why my head didn't explode upon hearing the news). After an 11-5 season, I assumed an extension was inevitable. As tape mentioned, though, the fact that it's only two years may indicate some concern from ownership about which direction they're going to take once Ben hangs them up. I find this somewhat encouraging, even if they insist on overpaying for "stability" at the head coaching position for the time being. Steelers football is going to be looking really ugly by 2018...they'll be much more able to justify a change at that time.

 

[stillwright]

So DL had total control over every aspect. ...even the personnel. Well there you have it. That is what changed when Cower left. Tomlin gave more power to Dick. Not the other way around I guess.

 

[insaniti]

Yet he is being paid like one of the best coaches in the game by a franchise notorious for not spending money or being very frugal. The pendulum is swinging upward. We have a offense people are calling the best in football. A young but improving defense with numerous high draft choices. We have the best trio in football and what some are calling a potential top 5 Oline. If the young defense is just decent we can go far in what is a offensive league. I for one am excited

But Tomlin hasn't made this team better at all [/haters]

 

[TDX27]

What a bunch of whiners we have on this board. Nothing is ever good enough. I know we are Steelers fans but would you rather have had 5 coaches over the past 9 years? That's how many Cleveland has had. I think I'll stick with the Steelers formula for winning and not look to replace our coach after every mediocre season or two.

 

[Steel Ballin]

But Tomlin hasn't made this team better at all [/haters]

offense better + defense worse = hasn't made the team better

 

[Ron Burgundy]

offense better + defense worse = hasn't made the team better

That's the thing. I think Tomlin is a decent coach, not great not horrible, but the drafting especially on defense has gone to **** since he's been here. You wouldn't think that should happen since his experience was mainly as a defensive coach.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I'm sorry I can't blame the coach for Woodley turning into a fat ***. That was the pass rusher we needed. Who should still be in his prime.. We have provided Ben with all types of weapons. If it was the defense that was loaded and Ben had nothing there would be bitching about that. There was bitching because he didn't draft OL fast enough. Then when he did nobody wanted to wait for them to gel and get better. They have addressed the defense and now we wait for them to mature too.