Not sure how to evaluate KP
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So what is your take on this?
Your math is a little bit off. It's not 20 points, it's about 13.
Rudolph had an 82 passer rating in 2019 when he filled in for Ben, who had a 96.5 rating the year before. Kenny's number is 68.8, after replacing Trubisky, who had a 73.7 at the time. So the drop-off between Ben and Mason was much more pronounced than the difference between Kenny and Mitch.
Plus KP has 3 rushing touchdowns, which of course are not part of the passer rating calculation.
Accuracy has shown itself does it need to be amazing? So he needs to live up to all expectations immediately to justify his start? Did you see something from the other two QBs that showed they deserve to start?
Not sure what some of you are expecting but nobody was saying he wouldn't initially struggle. If you don't expect that somewhat of a rookie QB then your expectations are somewhat unrealistic.
You have two QBs that clearly aren't the answer, so that first round QB should be allowed time to find out if he is the answer.
Yes but as we know every time Tomlin’s teams change ocs they pretty much run the previous system for a year before they change it up, Fitchner gets about as much credit for that fools gold season as Arians should get for the running game in 07
We don't all know that. Coordinators don't "pretty much" run other guy's systems -- they run their own. The good ones adapt to their personnel and utilize their strengths.
Ben was doing just fine under RF until he got hurt in 2019, and after that the Steelers decided it was time to start getting the ball out of his hands in .0007 seconds to protect the end of his career. I don't blame Fichtner for that.
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Some of you really expected Kenny to come in here and be this savior and I kept saying how wrong that is.
He’s a rookie in the NFL and no amount of college experience translates to instant success in this league.
Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, both Mannings, Joe Burrow, Trev Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Tua, Justin Fields, and more did not have instant success and the newest guys are still working toward it.
Reset your expectations to be more realistic and be patient with our QB and let him go through his growing pains.
He’s a rookie in the NFL and no amount of college experience translates to instant success in this league.
Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, both Mannings, Joe Burrow, Trev Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Tua, Justin Fields, and more did not have instant success and the newest guys are still working toward it.
Reset your expectations to be more realistic and be patient with our QB and let him go through his growing pains.
You are correct. But it's still 68. How low does that go?
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Did he hit his ceiling already....lol
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Right in line with where I've been with the whole drafting a rookie QB. I wasn't on board with Pickett in the first until the draft board fell the way it did. However, the Steelers did a poor job transitioning to a rookie QB.
1. Bad offensive line play. They had the chance to really fix this in last year's draft and instead took two of the least valuable positions in the NFL in the first two rounds. They went with discount options in free agency outside of Daniels.
2. We continually overrate our WRs. They're solid, but no longer one of the best groups in the NFL. We counted on Pickens being a star as a rookie. They thought so lowly of Claypool they traded him. DJ has the talent and never puts it all together.
3. Get a real OC. They could've hired a good teacher, a good offensive mind with a fresh scheme. Instead they hired a guy who never stays in the same city long enough to get a good feel for what he can do over the long term and he's overmatched in the NFL.
Even with all the failures in terms of talent, the Steelers have a first-round running back who should be carrying the load with 25+ touches per game. That's why they drafted him. Instead, they're letting a rookie QB drop back 40+ times per game with a below average offensive line, underwhelming receivers, and a bad offensive coordinator with a head coach who endorses it all.
It's not going to go much lower, in my opinion, because that 1:4 touchdown to interception ratio is bound to improve significantly as Pickett gains experience.
Is it the QB position or the need for instant gratification? Not sure how we condemn or glorify any player after a handful of games.
As others have mentioned, there are other factors hindering his progress.
As others have mentioned, there are other factors hindering his progress.
My biggest concern for number 8 is that he seems physically not ready...
He looks somewhat frail and needs to add some weight and muscle to survive what a 17 regular season plus playoffs NFL season brings to the table.
Especially behind the current O-Line in front of him......and would be surprised that he is under center the remainder of the games this year.
He looks somewhat frail and needs to add some weight and muscle to survive what a 17 regular season plus playoffs NFL season brings to the table.
Especially behind the current O-Line in front of him......and would be surprised that he is under center the remainder of the games this year.
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He's run more quarterback sneaks and scored more rushing tds in a few games then Ben did in the last 10 years. Guy isn't fragile. Though I agree everyone should always be getting stronger. Maybe 10-15 pounds wouldn't hurt. I'd rather have my quarterbacks protected with a great OL and only run when needed on seldom occasions.
KP 6'3" 220, Brady 6'4" 225, Rodgers 6'2" 225, Mahomes 6'2" 225.
Seems in the ballpark to me, but I'm sure strength and conditioning will be part of his progress.
Seems in the ballpark to me, but I'm sure strength and conditioning will be part of his progress.
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He has been very accurate. The 1st half of the last game is the first time he has has multiple bad throws. I fear that getting wrecked with some of these blindside hits is changing him, at least subconsciously
He has gotten drilled several times already
He was evaluated as "most ready". Not "ready". He is still a rookie. I have zero doubt this some on this message board would've run Hurts out of town if given the authority. He is now in year 3
Cut the guy some slack and give him a few games to learn. KP is unfairly being graded on some made-up elevated scale because he was a 5th year Sr at Pitt
Ben came into a stacked team and threw the ball 20 times per game while scrambling and playing backyard football. He wasn't reading defenses half the time. He scrambled until someone got open on most of his early career big plays
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This sums it perfectly to the point nothing else needs to be added.
To be fair, not all of KP's sacks have been the OL's fault. Many times KP, instead of climbing the pocket, will try to spin out to the left or right, causing his own sack.
There was some growth shown in the last game when a few of those instances became either QB runs, throwaways, or he actually did climb the pocket.
That said, you are correct, "most ready" does not mean "ready" and KP should be cut some slack and given the opportunity to grow into the QB he will be.
At this point, the most accurate grade for Kenny is an incomplete pending further learning opportunities
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He dinks and dunks. He was 1/5 over twenty yards last week. First play of the game had DJ for a 75 yard TD and dumped it instead.
1. Surprised Mitch's QBR isn't higher considering the number of dump-offs he completed
2. What type of luxury automobile does Cooch Madden drive?
2. What type of luxury automobile does Cooch Madden drive?
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Roethlisberger had a 66.0 QB rating in 2019 before he got hurt. Albeit in two games and off 62 passing attempts. But he did not start off well that year.
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And yet, as I noted from the DK article, his completion percentage above expected, ie passes that were completed against the odds, is a 2.0, fourth-best in the league.
As I also noted, he's not a finished product. Seems like you wanted/expected him to come in and be "pro-ready" from the beginning. It hardly ever works that way.
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