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[Bigappleyinzer]

While we are remembering prognostications, I do recall a certain draft guru poster (Del, who isn't afraid to suggest that he might be superior to Colbert) suggesting that trading Ben to the Texans for the #1 draft choice in 2014 and selecting Teddy Bridgewater was worth considering.

And I wish I could remember what he said recently about drafting Le'veon Bell...something like it was the most "forced" pick of the Tomlin era.

*Sticks chest out*

I was one of those individuals who considered moving Ben for 2 first rounders, especially after his rough start... Figured we would have 3 high picks, get a high end LB (Mack) and a serviceable QB (Teddy), and just basically start over. Not a totally bad trade

However, this was early in the season when it appeared that Ben had regressed and was playing poorly; Nevertheless, by the end of the season he was the Ben of old. Said differently, he isn't going to depreciate as fast as I had originally thought.

I was wrong- but even looking back, it wouldnt have been THAT bad of a move for the future...

*Ducks back into hole*

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Yes, let's start a war on people who actually state an opinion on a message board. If they are wrong, we won't ever let them forget it. Rub it in their faces. That should really make this board fun to read as most people will only parrot the conventional wisdom.

here, let me give the analysis of every draft from now until 2050.

That first rounder is a stud. He's a first round pick and they are always great.
The second rounder was a great value. He's awesome too but just needs a little coaching.
Third - flashes first round ability but is inconsistent. Great prospect.
4th- insert ESPN draft expert opinion here.
5th-7th - it's always a crapshoot late in the draft. The coaches must like these guys and they know more than you so i will agree with them that all these guys are great.

You better not question the coaches. They are allowed to be wrong on draft picks, but a message board poster is held to a higher standard.


seriously, **** this thread.

we need more people stating opinions, not fewer. Just because certain people are too ***** to state an original thought, doesn't mean we should bash those who actually have an opinion.

not just this board, but the whole country is going down this rabbit hole of restricting opinions they don't agree with. There is a single politically correct opinion that is acceptable on any topic and if you dare deviate from that, you will be bullied into submission.

now we're bringing this Newspeak into sports conversations? (Google Newspeak if you ar unfamiliar, i guess he was only off by 30 years)


record what you want and i'll keep posting my opinion. At least i have the balls to state an opinion at the risk of GASP, being wrong on the internet.

While I agree with you, I feel that accountability is necessary. Not pointing fingers here, but too often on message boards people want others to consider them an authority, until the point that they are called out or proven wrong and then they disappear only to start on something else.

I see no problem with holding people to the things they say. Why should I care about your opinion if you don't care about it? Similarly, you're not less of a poster if you admit you're wrong, Good message board conversation comes from those who can admit their faults and adjust their opinions accordingly.

 

[SteelerAl]

Yes, let's start a war on people who actually state an opinion on a message board. If they are wrong, we won't ever let them forget it. Rub it in their faces. That should really make this board fun to read as most people will only parrot the conventional wisdom.

here, let me give the analysis of every draft from now until 2050.

That first rounder is a stud. He's a first round pick and they are always great.
The second rounder was a great value. He's awesome too but just needs a little coaching.
Third - flashes first round ability but is inconsistent. Great prospect.
4th- insert ESPN draft expert opinion here.
5th-7th - it's always a crapshoot late in the draft. The coaches must like these guys and they know more than you so i will agree with them that all these guys are great.

You better not question the coaches. They are allowed to be wrong on draft picks, but a message board poster is held to a higher standard.


seriously, **** this thread.

we need more people stating opinions, not fewer. Just because certain people are too ***** to state an original thought, doesn't mean we should bash those who actually have an opinion.

not just this board, but the whole country is going down this rabbit hole of restricting opinions they don't agree with. There is a single politically correct opinion that is acceptable on any topic and if you dare deviate from that, you will be bullied into submission.

now we're bringing this Newspeak into sports conversations? (Google Newspeak if you ar unfamiliar, i guess he was only off by 30 years)


record what you want and i'll keep posting my opinion. At least i have the balls to state an opinion at the risk of GASP, being wrong on the internet.

Opinions should be welcomed. But I can do without the "I know more than the rest of you and quite frankly I should have Colbert's job" attitude that sometimes accompanies an opinion. And if someone is going to have that attitude, I would hope that he or she has thick enough skin to survive being called out for giving serious thought to swapping Big Ben for Bridgewater straight up.

 

[deljzc]

I never said anything as a specific as Bridgewater for Roethlisberger. Never.

At that point in the process I didn't even scout the quarterbacks.

The premise was really an analysis of Roethlisberger's contract demands vs. the scouting of this year's quarterback prospects and IF any turned out to be legit "franchise quarterbacks" then there is an option to consider.

I also said my demands for Roethlisberger would be at least TWO 1st round picks, not just the #1 pick this year and I argued he was easily worth that (where some here said that was impossible). I still think that was an attainable demand.

And I do still think Le'veon Bell was a huge reach but have acknowledged he will get a LOT of opportunities and produce more than many comparable 2nd round picks. My analysis of Bell was as follows:

“He takes a lot of punishment. Coming off 380 carry season. Exception at “tire drill” in hole but struggles to make DB’s miss at the 2nd level. Probably a grinding 45% success rate, 4.0 ypc, workhorse back.”

And I still believe that. Last year Bell had a 47% success rate and a 3.5 YPC.

I will admit Bell is a much better receiver than I thought. He's pretty fluid and natural and has very, very good hands for a back. And I did not realize how young he was coming out of college. I like that about him as well.

But I am on record as thinking both Lacy and Ball are better prospects and right now, I would still trade Bell for either of them and don't think Green Bay or Denver would say the same. Just my opinion on that.

 

[t-man]

Yes, let's start a war on people who actually state an opinion on a message board. If they are wrong, we won't ever let them forget it. Rub it in their faces. That should really make this board fun to read as most people will only parrot the conventional wisdom.

here, let me give the analysis of every draft from now until 2050.

That first rounder is a stud. He's a first round pick and they are always great.
The second rounder was a great value. He's awesome too but just needs a little coaching.
Third - flashes first round ability but is inconsistent. Great prospect.
4th- insert ESPN draft expert opinion here.
5th-7th - it's always a crapshoot late in the draft. The coaches must like these guys and they know more than you so i will agree with them that all these guys are great.

You better not question the coaches. They are allowed to be wrong on draft picks, but a message board poster is held to a higher standard.


seriously, **** this thread.

we need more people stating opinions, not fewer. Just because certain people are too ***** to state an original thought, doesn't mean we should bash those who actually have an opinion.

not just this board, but the whole country is going down this rabbit hole of restricting opinions they don't agree with. There is a single politically correct opinion that is acceptable on any topic and if you dare deviate from that, you will be bullied into submission.

now we're bringing this Newspeak into sports conversations? (Google Newspeak if you ar unfamiliar, i guess he was only off by 30 years)


record what you want and i'll keep posting my opinion. At least i have the balls to state an opinion at the risk of GASP, being wrong on the internet.

If you're confident you're opinion is going to turn out to be right, great, have at it, but then when someone decides they'd like to shove it back up your ***, or down your throat, you better be all to happy to put on the bib, sit the **** down in the chair, and take the medicine. Every, last, *************, bite.

We have spent thousands of posts talking about every possible angle of a player, with many of the posters highly implying that anyone who thought Archer MIGHT do ok in the nfl is just ******* stupid, ignorant, or both. If you didn't get that from the thread, you were not paying attention. Then here we go, he has a decent first outing, and suddenly the people citing he had a good game are the "instigators" and the ********.

Really?

Joe

 

[ark steel]

Yes, let's start a war on people who actually state an opinion on a message board. If they are wrong, we won't ever let them forget it. Rub it in their faces. That should really make this board fun to read as most people will only parrot the conventional wisdom.

here, let me give the analysis of every draft from now until 2050.

That first rounder is a stud. He's a first round pick and they are always great.
The second rounder was a great value. He's awesome too but just needs a little coaching.
Third - flashes first round ability but is inconsistent. Great prospect.
4th- insert ESPN draft expert opinion here.
5th-7th - it's always a crapshoot late in the draft. The coaches must like these guys and they know more than you so i will agree with them that all these guys are great.

You better not question the coaches. They are allowed to be wrong on draft picks, but a message board poster is held to a higher standard.


seriously, **** this thread.

we need more people stating opinions, not fewer. Just because certain people are too ***** to state an original thought, doesn't mean we should bash those who actually have an opinion.

not just this board, but the whole country is going down this rabbit hole of restricting opinions they don't agree with. There is a single politically correct opinion that is acceptable on any topic and if you dare deviate from that, you will be bullied into submission.

now we're bringing this Newspeak into sports conversations? (Google Newspeak if you ar unfamiliar, i guess he was only off by 30 years)


record what you want and i'll keep posting my opinion. At least i have the balls to state an opinion at the risk of GASP, being wrong on the internet.

Of course, this is exactly what this thread is about. I posted who I would have taken instead of Archer. I expect to be wrong on more than 1/2 of them and, possibly, all of them. I don't really care whether I am or not, or whether anyone wants to **** with me about it. It seems unlikely that they would because I don't have the opinion that the Archer pick was frivolous, arrogant, a luxury pick, "any pick I disagree with is stupid" pick, or anything like that.

If someone ***** with me about it to my consternation, I can, and will, employ the ignore feature.

You are correct to continue posting your opinion. Why would anyone with any stones in their sack worry about posting their opinion on a message board because people might pick on them?

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

as an example: Above, appleyinzer states his past opinion. And while somebody might take exception... the board as a whole doesn't. Most don't care... All are welcome to opinions..

I think the difference is how you portray yourself to other posters and what is evinced from your posts . Basicly ,, if you are an ******* about your opinions... people will be quick to point them out when proven wrong.

 

[antdrewjosh]

as an example: Above, appleyinzer states his past opinion. And while somebody might take exception... the board as a whole doesn't. Most don't care... All are welcome to opinions..

I think the difference is how you portray yourself to other posters and what is evinced from your posts . Basicly ,, if you are an ******* about your opinions... people will be quick to point them out when proven wrong.

Thats it in a nutshell

 

[Idioteque]

If you're confident you're opinion is going to turn out to be right, great, have at it, but then when someone decides they'd like to shove it back up your ***, or down your throat, you better be all to happy to put on the bib, sit the **** down in the chair, and take the medicine. Every, last, *************, bite.

Right, which tape said himself in the post you quoted but apparently didn't read. His point remains: more opinions is a good thing, not a bad one. Parroting what you heard and copy/pasting from ESPN and NFL.com hinders discussion; it doesn't promote it. Why would you WANT to shove someone's opinion up their ***? Why are you so goddamned offended? Because you didn't like it? Sorry, but that makes one a whiny, contrariant e-puss, not the Respected Voice of Reason one is trying to be.

We have spent thousands of posts talking about every possible angle of a player, with many of the posters highly implying that anyone who thought Archer MIGHT do ok in the nfl is just ******* stupid, ignorant, or both. If you didn't get that from the thread, you were not paying attention. Then here we go, he has a decent first outing, and suddenly the people citing he had a good game are the "instigators" and the ********.

Really?

Yes, really.

Let me start with this: Using reasonable data (the entirety of NFL history combined with Dri Archer's four-year college career and our mediocre roster) to suggest that history is firmly against the Archer pick being successful is perfectly reasonable. I mean, is it not? If the Browns or Cowboys or Raiders took a part-time weapon/KR who was frequently hurt at Kent State and fumbled more than any other prospect, can you honestly say you'd back that as a great pick with loads of potential? I call heaps of bullshit. Just like you assume I'll post ha-ha **** if Archer starts fumbling, I'm going to assume you would consider Archer a tiny, injury-prone, fumbling part-time KR at best if his name had been called by the Browns.

But that's neither here nor there. What I'm doing with that logic is claiming that Archer's chances don't look great. You choose to take that as "Archer is 100% destined to suck balls." You haven't seen me bet my firstborn, because nobody sees the future. You also think it's a pussified copout for me to say, "Well, I can't predict the future, so I can't say for 100% sure who will be good and who won't." You want some rock-solid guarantee, which is odd, because you hate picking a side and start thread after thread railing against those who make future projections and take a side.

To say that Archer WILL suck would be faulty, and I don't think I saw many posters claim that. Par surely did, but that's the only one I remember. Just because I argued for many many pages against the pick does t mean I or anyone was making some guarantee. (If you think so, then start bitching at those who have spent months in that thread sucking Archer's dick. I guess they're also making rock-solid guarantees that he's Gale Sayers, huh? Or does your whiny bullshit only go in the direction that you agree with?) Yes, I said that he can't return NFL punts, a perfectly reasonable stance considering he returned very few in school and two ot his massive weaknesses - durability and fumbling - are HUGE in returning punts and the death knell for dozens of awesome college returners every year. Yes, I said it's extremely unlikely he carves out a notable offensive role, a perfectly reasonable stance considering 0 NFL prospects of his exact profile ever have. No, I don't call those Lead Pipe Locks because I've never met the guy and I'm not privy to everything NFL teams are, so I'm wrong about many, many NFL prospects. Everyone is.

To me, Brian Brohm looked like a franchise QB and to many so did Ryan Leaf and Jeff George. You want those people strung up by the neck for having the GALL to use data to make predictions.

In other words.. ESPN is perfectly suited for folks like you, and vice versa. You're Skip Bayless, living for hot takes and soundbytes and definitive, I-bet-my-life predictions. You want to smear any wrong prediction into the faces of those who make them - convenient, since you don't fool with jibber jabber like opinions or taking stances of your own. Sorry to disappoint, but ESPN and hot takes are lame, and so is your attempt to make Idioteque pay because he wanted to draft a different player.

 

[antdrewjosh]

*bangs own head against the wall til i pass out*

 

[Idioteque]

as an example: Above, appleyinzer states his past opinion. And while somebody might take exception... the board as a whole doesn't. Most don't care... All are welcome to opinions..

I think the difference is how you portray yourself to other posters and what is evinced from your posts . Basicly ,, if you are an ******* about your opinions... people will be quick to point them out when proven wrong.

The issue might not be with them. Perhaps the board has too many dripping vaginas who take football debate too personally.

On my end, I'll save you the suspense: I do not care one iota if you point out to me that I'm wrong about a football issue. I expect to be wrong about lots of football issues. I thought Antoine Cason and Stephen Hill and Everette Brown and Brian Brohm and Darren McFadden and Ziggy Hood would be All-Pros. I thought Luke Kueckly would be a mediocre two-down LB at best. I've been thoroughly debunked on this board about the likes of Brian Urlacher and PFF metrics, among other topics.

So, I encourage you: keep pointing out when I'm wrong. With lots of prayer and therapy, I'm sure I'll survive. I just don't see the value in copy/pasting "Some of you are soooo mean!!" as often as you do. It's a goddamned internet message board, not the Washington Post. You too can lighten up and enjoy the give/take. I certainly don't give a **** what your attitude is like, and even less what you think of Dri Archer.

 

[Idioteque]

*bangs own head against the wall til i pass out*

Speaking of dripping ******* who cry about mean posters.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Speaking of dripping ******* who cry about mean posters.

Your flair for the dramatic is impressive. Once you realize its not your opinion you have every right to those. Its your condescending holier then thou, over the top attitude thats the problem you will be ok. You're the perfect example of a dick with a keyboard. Perfect example: this is like the 5th time youve tried to portray me as crying to you about something someone said on the internet. Really?? When PMed(by you) I said I find it comical those who go over the top in their comments cause they know they are miles away(talking about you and the poster of many names who has been banned). Yet you try to portray to the masses as if I came to you talking about other posters. You are the one revealing and trying to twist private messages cause you feel threatened in a discussion. If thats not a dick move what is? Like someone else said voice your opinion. Just remember your opinion isnt any better then anyone else's thats the part you obviously dont get.

 

[Idioteque]

Well, no. You very clearly complained that the "name-calling" was too harsh. Now I would never rip on a guy just for being offended. The reason I call you out is because immediately after whining about meeeeean posters and their meeeeean name-calling, you morphed back into a sarcastic, name-calling, trolling douche yourself.

You're a rare breed: enough of a **** to talk **** relentlessly, enough of a ***** to cry when it happens to you. And to think your SN boyfriend calls ME a hypocrite.

 

[Idioteque]

It's a message board, Nancy Poo. Grow a pair. I post like a smartass because it's funny, not because I'm better than anyone. Well, you I guess, but that's it.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well, no. You very clearly complained that the "name-calling" was too harsh. Now I would never rip on a guy just for being offended. The reason I call you out is because immediately after whining about meeeeean posters and their meeeeean name-calling, you morphed back into a sarcastic, name-calling, trolling douche yourself.

You're a rare breed: enough of a **** to talk **** relentlessly, enough of a ***** to cry when it happens to you.

Cause that what happened lol. We are talking about you and for the life of me cant remember his many names.. when Pmed by one of the guys doing it i said something to him. Seems like the manly thing to me. I didnt say anything in any posts. So how is that crying. I call you out your name because obviously if you dont have any respect for me why should i for you. No other poster can say ive called them out their name. I bet there alot of posters besides me who will say your a dick.

 

[Idioteque]

Cause that what happened lol. We are talking about you and for the life of me cant remember his many names.. when Pmed by one of the guys doing it i said something to him. Seems like the manly thing to me. I didnt say anything in any posts. So how is that crying. I call you out your name because obviously if you dont have any respect for me why should i for you. No other poster can say ive called them out their name.

Not even close. I PMd you to say it's all a joke, no hard feelings, etc. You told me the name-calling was harsh and bums you out. I again tried to reassure you and talk you off the ledge, at which point you resumed your whiny foot-stamping, name-calling, and *****-bleeding.

I bet there alot of posters besides me who will say your a dick.

Yes, several other posters also fail to get the joke and bleed from their ******* every time I post.

To me, this was a fun board filled with fun back-and-forth. To you guys, it's serious business that affects your lives.

I apologize profusely for the name-calling in this post.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Not even close. I PMd you to say it's all a joke, no hard feelings, etc. You told me the name-calling was harsh and bums you out. I again tried to reassure you and talk you off the ledge, at which point you resumed your whiny foot-stamping, name-calling, and *****-bleeding.



Yes, several other posters also fail to get the joke and bleed from their ******* every time I post.

To me, this was a fun board filled with fun back-and-forth. To you guys, it's serious business that affects your lives.

I apologize profusely for the name-calling in this post.

Bruh dont add liar to your resume. See you know if I said post said PMs you can say aww shucks you know the board was rebooted. The first thing I said in response to your PM was Im fine I've beem reading this board for years. Everyone knows the poster who was banned repeatedly was above and beyond which is why he was banned. If I remember correctly I told him in the post he wouldnt say the **** he says if he wasnt behind a keyboard. You know to him the manly thing to do. Not PM then lie about the whole conversation.

 

[insaniti]

Cause that what happened lol. We are talking about you and for the life of me cant remember his many names.. when Pmed by one of the guys doing it i said something to him. Seems like the manly thing to me. I didnt say anything in any posts. So how is that crying. I call you out your name because obviously if you dont have any respect for me why should i for you. No other poster can say ive called them out their name. I bet there alot of posters besides me who will say your a dick.

Idioteque is indeed a dick. I've butt heads with him plenty... but the love affair you and Supe have for the man is pretty pathetic. If he's a dick for the way he posts, I can only imagine the treat you are in person.

There is one poster on this board that I disagree with everything he's ever said, but it's rare I'll post and get into a debate with him because it's boring. Idioteque and even Vader to a point are entertaining to get into debates with. But NEVER have I EVER seen one posters name come up at random from the same two posters over and over as much as I've seen from you and Supe. You can cry and whine, then claim innocence all you want, the proof is all over this board. Hell, you've even recruited some cronies to join in the festivities with you guys.

 

[Idioteque]

Bruh dont add liar to your resume. See you know if I said post said PMs you can say aww shucks you know the board was rebooted. The first thing I said in response to your PM was Im fine I've beem reading this board for years. Everyone knows the poster who was banned repeatedly was above and beyond which is why he was banned. If I remember correctly I told him in the post he wouldnt say the **** he says if he wasnt behind a keyboard. You know to him the manly thing to do. Not PM then lie about the whole conversation.

If you remember correctly? So you don't remember what was in the PM, but you know I'm lying?

Unlike you in your neverending quest to make SN Buddies, I've got nothing to prove. But you absolutely cried about meanies, and "name-calling" is a direct quote. I remember feeling badly for you after getting the message and kinda wishing I hadn't been so hard on your cheerleading crap. The reason you're getting **** for it now is because of your blinding hypocrisy.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Lmao now your over here bitching. No one is calling Dicknoccio out by name. No one is asking him to post in Archer related threads. Yet here he is. Now you want to come to his defense saving the little girl. Recruited?? Never for what? They just see him for what he is. No need to recruit. You dont read what you dont want read well why dont you try it with these posts between him and I. Or him and Supe. Dont like it dont read it. Ive seen you get into long debates on this board and it doesnt always stay football related. I dont like being lied about. Period message board or not. If I said it i will say I did. So as long as he continues to lie I will have something to say. Dont like it as you say dont read it.

 

[antdrewjosh]

If you remember correctly? So you don't remember what was in the PM, but you know I'm lying?

Unlike you in your neverending quest to make SN Buddies, I've got nothing to prove. But you absolutely cried about meanies, and "name-calling" is a direct quote. I remember feeling badly for you after getting the message and kinda wishing I hadn't been so hard on your cheerleading crap. The reason you're getting **** for it now is because of your blinding hypocrisy.

Your a liar plain and simple. I remember the whole converstion.. no one on this board can ever say i PMed them first about any conversation. You PMed me i responded with im fine been reading this board forever just started posting. You PMed again. I said dude is a jackass saying **** from behind a keyboard he would never say to my face. We all know dude was above and beyond. Same as i told him in the thread not a PM. Why would I PM you first No 1. We have been beefing on this board since i started posting..doesnt make any sense.

 

[Idioteque]

insanti is just too mean

 

[bermudasteel]

Is THIS another Dri Archer thread???

 

[Idioteque]

Is THIS another Dri Archer thread???

They all are at this point. It's sheer obsession.