Right, which tape said himself in the post you quoted but apparently didn't read. His point remains: more opinions is a good thing, not a bad one. Parroting what you heard and copy/pasting from ESPN and NFL.com hinders discussion; it doesn't promote it. Why would you WANT to shove someone's opinion up their ***? Why are you so goddamned offended? Because you didn't like it? Sorry, but that makes one a whiny, contrariant e-puss, not the Respected Voice of Reason one is trying to be.
Yes, really.
Let me start with this: Using reasonable data (the entirety of NFL history combined with Dri Archer's four-year college career and our mediocre roster) to suggest that history is firmly against the Archer pick being successful is perfectly reasonable. I mean, is it not? If the Browns or Cowboys or Raiders took a part-time weapon/KR who was frequently hurt at Kent State and fumbled more than any other prospect, can you honestly say you'd back that as a great pick with loads of potential? I call heaps of bullshit. Just like you assume I'll post ha-ha **** if Archer starts fumbling, I'm going to assume you would consider Archer a tiny, injury-prone, fumbling part-time KR at best if his name had been called by the Browns.
But that's neither here nor there. What I'm doing with that logic is claiming that Archer's chances don't look great. You choose to take that as "Archer is 100% destined to suck balls." You haven't seen me bet my firstborn, because nobody sees the future. You also think it's a pussified copout for me to say, "Well, I can't predict the future, so I can't say for 100% sure who will be good and who won't." You want some rock-solid guarantee, which is odd, because you hate picking a side and start thread after thread railing against those who make future projections and take a side.
To say that Archer WILL suck would be faulty, and I don't think I saw many posters claim that. Par surely did, but that's the only one I remember. Just because I argued for many many pages against the pick does t mean I or anyone was making some guarantee. (If you think so, then start bitching at those who have spent months in that thread sucking Archer's dick. I guess they're also making rock-solid guarantees that he's Gale Sayers, huh? Or does your whiny bullshit only go in the direction that you agree with?) Yes, I said that he can't return NFL punts, a perfectly reasonable stance considering he returned very few in school and two ot his massive weaknesses - durability and fumbling - are HUGE in returning punts and the death knell for dozens of awesome college returners every year. Yes, I said it's extremely unlikely he carves out a notable offensive role, a perfectly reasonable stance considering 0 NFL prospects of his exact profile ever have. No, I don't call those Lead Pipe Locks because I've never met the guy and I'm not privy to everything NFL teams are, so I'm wrong about many, many NFL prospects. Everyone is.
To me, Brian Brohm looked like a franchise QB and to many so did Ryan Leaf and Jeff George. You want those people strung up by the neck for having the GALL to use data to make predictions.
In other words.. ESPN is perfectly suited for folks like you, and vice versa. You're Skip Bayless, living for hot takes and soundbytes and definitive, I-bet-my-life predictions. You want to smear any wrong prediction into the faces of those who make them - convenient, since you don't fool with jibber jabber like opinions or taking stances of your own. Sorry to disappoint, but ESPN and hot takes are lame, and so is your attempt to make Idioteque pay because he wanted to draft a different player.
Listen, I'll type slowly, so you can understand.
When people on this site rail on about draft picks, they are implying they would have selected someone else, and they are also then, of course, implying that their pick would do better in the nfl.
Every single person has been at some point in time, right about a pick. Every single person has been at some point in time wrong about a pick. None of them will know till long after the draft.
Yet, in the thread about our mr Archer, I witnessed bold proclamations of things he would never do.
You want me to pick sides on things, here's something I've said since the second year we had Ben, I wouldn't take ANY other quarterback for this team, and I want him here till he isn't playing football anymore. I think he's that good. He brings an it factor with that last second houdini **** that no one, and I do mean no one, in the nfl since I've been watching it has. Elway was the closest, but he wasn't anywhere NEAR as hard to bring down as Ben.
I've said it since his second year, and I haven't ever deviated. Not during the bullshit rape/suspension crap. Not ever, period. I watched far too many jerk offs trying to play qb before him to not see how important he is.
Now you can go on and on and say that's an easy call to make, but if the archives of this board were up, I could point to thread after thread of people posting all the reasons why we wouldn't ever get anywhere till Ben "grew up" and started dumping the ball off the second a defender was near him.
It's football, we're all going to have opinions, but it's a little ******* un-nerving to have such strong opinions from people who are surely intellegent enough to know, after seeing enough drafts, that there is a fairly decent chance EITHER side could be 100% right about the guy. It would be one thing if he had no speed, no hands, no decent stats from college, etc, but there is obviously speed, and he was pretty damn good judging from the tape we've seen from college, so there is def reason to hope. This wasn't a "Frank the Tank" draft pick. I really tried to pull for him, but I had no idea why we would let a John Kuhn walk, and draft Frank the Tank. Looks like they kinda **** the bed on that one, but, it happens. I was a big Kuhn supporter, loved his style of plow your *** over running, sometimes on 4th and 1, that's what you need, but the coaches didn't see the value. I think since he's in Green Bay now, doing pretty well, I called that one correctly, but I don't run the show, so I'm over it.
Joe
