Penguins 22-23

[Badcat]

It could be worse....The Pens by far have the oldest roster in the league, but they have 20M in cap space for next season. The second oldest team...capitals... 5M in cap space. It is interesting to see how teams spend on Offense versus defense. Here are the top 5 oldest rosters

RANK	TEAM	RECORD (PTS)	ACTIVE PLAYERS	AVG AGE	FORWARD CAP	DEFENSE CAP	GOALTENDER CAP	EST. TOTAL CAP	CAP SPACE
1	Pittsburgh Penguins	-- (0)	15/23	31.7	39,913,333	20,750,175	1,800,000	63,380,175	20,119,825
2	Washington Capitals	-- (0)	19/23	30.1	54,994,168	16,450,000	6,350,000	77,794,168	5,705,832
3	New York Islanders	-- (0)	17/23	29.9	52,500,000	16,025,000	4,000,000	72,525,000	10,975,000
4	Minnesota Wild	-- (0)	16/23	29.3	35,813,333	20,150,000	3,500,000	74,206,921	9,293,079
5	Vegas Golden Knights	-- (0)	22/23	29.3	46,250,000	28,944,150	5,766,666	80,960,816	2,539,184

 

[steel dino]

Now see who they hire to start the rebuild. I read FSG’s statement, but I can’t fathom that they honestly believe this team has a cup run left in it. They need to move on from several players, and not just bottom six guys. Some bad contracts up and down the lineup, and I’m not sure they can overcome that.

I don't think its that enormous of a task...

First and foremost---Get a Top 5.... or hell even top 10 goalie in here ...

 

[Badcat]

I don't think its that enormous of a task...

First and foremost---Get a Top 5.... or hell even top 10 goalie in here ...

Who do you get? David Rittich or Frederik Andersen maybe, but the pond isn't ripe with many big fish. Many of these goalies are pushing 40. If you want a top 10 goalie, you need to trade for one and even then, with the no trade or no movement clauses on contracts, it really limits the pool. What top goal tender wants to come to a small market town on an aging team who missed the playoffs and are trending downward?

PLAYER (629)	TEAM	TYPE	AGE	POS.	HEIGHT	WEIGHT	SHOOTS	GP	G	A	P	W	GAA	SV%	2022-2023 CAP HIT
Anton Khudobin	CHI	UFA	36.9	G	5' 11"	195	L	1					6	0.786	$3,333,334
Jon Gillies	CBJ	UFA	29.2	G	6' 6"	223	L	2				1	4.62	0.846	$750,000
Michael Hutchinson	CBJ	UFA	33.1	G	6' 3"	201	R	15		1	1	2	4.24	0.877	$750,000
Jonathan Quick	VGK	UFA	37.2	G	6' 1"	220	L	41				16	3.41	0.882	$5,800,000
Collin Delia	VAN	UFA	28.8	G	6' 2"	208	L	20		1	1	10	3.27	0.882	$750,000
Martin Jones	SEA	UFA	33.2	G	6' 4"	203	R	48				27	2.99	0.886	$2,416,667
Magnus Hellberg	DET	UFA	32.0	G	6' 6"	209	L	18				5	3.21	0.888	$750,000
James Reimer	SJS	UFA	35.0	G	6' 3"	205	L	43				12	3.48	0.89	$2,250,000
Brian Elliott	TBL	UFA	38.0	G	6' 2"	221	L	22		1	1	12	3.4	0.891	$900,000
MacKenzie Blackwood	NJD	UFA	26.3	G	6' 4"	225	L	22				10	3.2	0.893	$2,800,000
Alex Nedeljkovic	DET	UFA	27.2	G	6' 0"	203	L	15				5	3.53	0.895	$3,000,000
Thomas Greiss	STL	UFA	37.2	G	6' 2"	219	L	21				7	3.64	0.895	$1,250,000
Anthony Stolarz	ANA	UFA	29.2	G	6' 6"	243	L	19				5	3.73	0.897	$950,000
Dustin Tokarski	PIT	UFA	33.5	G	6' 0"	198	L	4				1	3.44	0.897	$775,000
Cameron Talbot	OTT	UFA	35.8	G	6' 4"	196	L	36				17	2.93	0.898	$3,666,667
Joey Daccord	SEA	RFA	26.7	G	6' 2"	197	L	5				2	3.15	0.9	$750,000
David Rittich	WPG	UFA	30.6	G	6' 3"	206	L	21				9	2.67	0.901	$900,000
Frederik Andersen	CAR	UFA	33.5	G	6' 4"	238	L	34		1	1	21	2.48	0.903	$4,500,000
Jaroslav Halak	NYR	UFA	37.9	G	5' 11"	189		25		1	1	10	2.72	0.903	$1,500,000
Craig Anderson	BUF	UFA	41.8	G	6' 2"	185	L	26		1	1	11	3.06	0.908	$1,500,000
Alex Stalock	CHI	UFA	35.7	G	5' 11"	170	L	27				9	3.01	0.908	$750,000
Tristan Jarry	PIT	UFA	27.9	G	6' 2"	194	L	47		2	2	24	2.9	0.909	$3,500,000

 

[steel dino]

Who do you get? David Rittich or Frederik Andersen maybe, but the pond isn't ripe with many big fish. Many of these goalies are pushing 40. If you want a top 10 goalie, you need to trade for one and even then, with the no trade or no movement clauses on contracts, it really limits the pool. What top goal tender wants to come to a small market town on an aging team who missed the playoffs and are trending downward?

PLAYER (629)	TEAM	TYPE	AGE	POS.	HEIGHT	WEIGHT	SHOOTS	GP	G	A	P	W	GAA	SV%	2022-2023 CAP HIT
Anton Khudobin	CHI	UFA	36.9	G	5' 11"	195	L	1					6	0.786	$3,333,334
Jon Gillies	CBJ	UFA	29.2	G	6' 6"	223	L	2				1	4.62	0.846	$750,000
Michael Hutchinson	CBJ	UFA	33.1	G	6' 3"	201	R	15		1	1	2	4.24	0.877	$750,000
Jonathan Quick	VGK	UFA	37.2	G	6' 1"	220	L	41				16	3.41	0.882	$5,800,000
Collin Delia	VAN	UFA	28.8	G	6' 2"	208	L	20		1	1	10	3.27	0.882	$750,000
Martin Jones	SEA	UFA	33.2	G	6' 4"	203	R	48				27	2.99	0.886	$2,416,667
Magnus Hellberg	DET	UFA	32.0	G	6' 6"	209	L	18				5	3.21	0.888	$750,000
James Reimer	SJS	UFA	35.0	G	6' 3"	205	L	43				12	3.48	0.89	$2,250,000
Brian Elliott	TBL	UFA	38.0	G	6' 2"	221	L	22		1	1	12	3.4	0.891	$900,000
MacKenzie Blackwood	NJD	UFA	26.3	G	6' 4"	225	L	22				10	3.2	0.893	$2,800,000
Alex Nedeljkovic	DET	UFA	27.2	G	6' 0"	203	L	15				5	3.53	0.895	$3,000,000
Thomas Greiss	STL	UFA	37.2	G	6' 2"	219	L	21				7	3.64	0.895	$1,250,000
Anthony Stolarz	ANA	UFA	29.2	G	6' 6"	243	L	19				5	3.73	0.897	$950,000
Dustin Tokarski	PIT	UFA	33.5	G	6' 0"	198	L	4				1	3.44	0.897	$775,000
Cameron Talbot	OTT	UFA	35.8	G	6' 4"	196	L	36				17	2.93	0.898	$3,666,667
Joey Daccord	SEA	RFA	26.7	G	6' 2"	197	L	5				2	3.15	0.9	$750,000
David Rittich	WPG	UFA	30.6	G	6' 3"	206	L	21				9	2.67	0.901	$900,000
Frederik Andersen	CAR	UFA	33.5	G	6' 4"	238	L	34		1	1	21	2.48	0.903	$4,500,000
Jaroslav Halak	NYR	UFA	37.9	G	5' 11"	189		25		1	1	10	2.72	0.903	$1,500,000
Craig Anderson	BUF	UFA	41.8	G	6' 2"	185	L	26		1	1	11	3.06	0.908	$1,500,000
Alex Stalock	CHI	UFA	35.7	G	5' 11"	170	L	27				9	3.01	0.908	$750,000
Tristan Jarry	PIT	UFA	27.9	G	6' 2"	194	L	47		2	2	24	2.9	0.909	$3,500,000

I dont believe that Jarry is 6'2"?!?
Dont under estimate what it means to play with Crosby and in a small but fantastic hockey market ,,,,

 

[JMM]

Good to see that ownership doesn't f around with bad management.

 

[steel dino]

I am hoping we have really good European and Russian scouts.
To me---if you don't end up with a top 5 pick for a few years in a row....that's were your scouts can get you back in the race fairly quickly.

 

[stillerfaninfl]

Jagr have anybody on his team we can pick up?

 

[MTC]

I am hoping we have really good European and Russian scouts.
To me---if you don't end up with a top 5 pick for a few years in a row....that's were your scouts can get you back in the race fairly quickly.

They did fine when they had Botteril(sp?)
Think he went to Buffalo though.

 

[str8liner]

Th

Good to see that ownership doesn't f around with bad management.

Going to take more than a year to fix what they screwed up though.

 

[JMM]

Th


Going to take more than a year to fix what they screwed up though.

Gotta start somewhere.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I am hoping we have really good European and Russian scouts.
To me---if you don't end up with a top 5 pick for a few years in a row....that's were your scouts can get you back in the race fairly quickly.

I know it's under new ownership, but ownership hired bad management in the first place. Did anyone think Hextall was going to be good?

 

[MTC]

I know it's under new ownership, but ownership hired bad management in the first place. Did anyone think Hextall was going to be good?

No

 

[TDX27]

I don't think its that enormous of a task...

First and foremost---Get a Top 5.... or hell even top 10 goalie in here ...

I've been saying this for a few years. Jarry is OK but he is not a game-changer. They stuck with the Big 3 and now they need to get a brick wall in the net. If they don't do that, it will continue to be more of the same. Jarry is a good No. 2 netminder.

 

[steel dino]

More of the same...

In his season debut at the American Hockey League level, goaltender Joel Blomqvist made 23 saves on 27 shots for the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins in a 4-0 road loss to the Hartford Wolf Pack at the XL Center in Hartford, Conn. on Friday.

 

[MTC]

More of the same...

In his season debut at the American Hockey League level, goaltender Joel Blomqvist made 23 saves on 27 shots for the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins in a 4-0 road loss to the Hartford Wolf Pack at the XL Center in Hartford, Conn. on Friday.

Trickling down.
So WBS is struggling. I think Wheeling has also had a bad season

 

[str8liner]

I know it's under new ownership, but ownership hired bad management in the first place. Did anyone think Hextall was going to be good?

I remember hearing they hired him and going WTF really?

I've been saying this for a few years. Jarry is OK but he is not a game-changer. They stuck with the Big 3 and now they need to get a brick wall in the net. If they don't do that, it will continue to be more of the same. Jarry is a good No. 2 netminder.

Jarry is good enough when they play solid in front of him. He is no Shisterkin or Vasilevski but they had so many defensive turnovers and break downs this year it's not all his fault IMO.

 

[topseed]

The Penguins already had their goalie of the future in their system, Filip Gustavsson. But they pissed him (and Ian Cole) away to acquire Derek Brassard, who produced a grand total of 23 points in 54 games and was a -5 in parts of two seasons on solid teams (right after the Cup years) where the Penguins finished with 100 points.

One of the worst trades in the history of the organization.

 

[MTC]

The Penguins already had their goalie of the future in their system, Filip Gustavsson. But they pissed him (and Ian Cole) away to acquire Derek Brassard, who produced a grand total of 23 points in 54 games and was a -5 in parts of two seasons on solid teams (right after the Cup years) where the Penguins finished with 100 points.

One of the worst trades in the history of the organization.

If him and Fleury win the cup. That’ll be salt in the wound with what that trade amounted to for the Pens.

That Brassard trade has really did a number on the Pens organization

 

[str8liner]

If him and Fleury win the cup. That’ll be salt in the wound with what that trade amounted to for the Pens.

That Brassard trade has really did a number on the Pens organization

Cole was always in Sullivans dog house. I remember getting pissed at him for his play on the ice alot. That trade was done back when Murray was still playing solid wasn't he? Sometimes without a crystal ball you just never know.

 

[MTC]

Cole was always in Sullivans dog house. I remember getting pissed at him for his play on the ice alot. That trade was done back when Murray was still playing solid wasn't he? Sometimes without a crystal ball you just never know.

I was referring to Filip who is coming into his own in MN.

But getting rid of Cole and Reaves who was also becoming a solid 4th liner at the time.

It just seems like that 2018 trade really affected the team

 

[TDX27]

I remember hearing they hired him and going WTF really?



Jarry is good enough when they play solid in front of him. He is no Shisterkin or Vasilevski but they had so many defensive turnovers and break downs this year it's not all his fault IMO.

No, not all his fault but they still need a much better No. 1 goalie. Jarry is a free agent also so it's not a given he comes back although he says he wants to.

 

[topseed]

Cole was always in Sullivans dog house. I remember getting pissed at him for his play on the ice alot. That trade was done back when Murray was still playing solid wasn't he? Sometimes without a crystal ball you just never know.

I liked Cole. The guy is a two-time champion with a career +144. He's been a plus player on every team he's been. No idea how he got in Sullivan's doghouse.

And Gustavsson was only 19 years old at the time of the trade. No reason to give him away at that stage of his development, no matter what the Penguins' goaltending looked like at the NHL level.

 

[str8liner]

I liked Cole. The guy is a two-time champion with a career +144. He's been a plus player on every team he's been. No idea how he got in Sullivan's doghouse.

And Gustavsson was only 19 years old at the time of the trade. No reason to give him away at that stage of his development, no matter what the Penguins' goaltending looked like at the NHL level.

Didnt Cole get into some bad stuff awhile back? Screwing around with some sportscaster chic? I remember thinking that maybe Sullivan knew he was a POS as a person and didnt want him around.

 

[str8liner]

I was referring to Filip who is coming into his own in MN.

But getting rid of Cole and Reaves who was also becoming a solid 4th liner at the time.

It just seems like that 2018 trade really affected the team

Reeves was another head scratcher. I think Rutherford brought him in to deal with the other teams beating on the Pens and I don't think Sullivan likes to play that way. I think some of this downslide is the result of Sullivans stubbornness too...

 

[MTC]

Reeves was another head scratcher. I think Rutherford brought him in to deal with the other teams beating on the Pens and I don't think Sullivan likes to play that way. I think some of this downslide is the result of Sullivans stubbornness too...

He was initially brought in as an enforcer but that month before the Brassard debacle, he was really catching on as 4th line guy.

I think if that Brassard trade didn’t happen. The Pens would’ve been an eastern conference final team